Evolution vs. Creation

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#64387 Dec 10, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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"In the beginning there was light"
And that was probably true-A big bang of it.
Why reading comprehension and English are pretty crucial subjects as well---for indepenedent thinkers-not stuck inside narrow square boxes of limited and/or closed minded thought anyway.
Ever see red algea growth in water?
Some of it can look blood red. And underwater gas pockets can really do a number on water color too!
Interesting smattering of quotes and facts, but it does not answer the question.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#64388 Dec 10, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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We are made of STARS. All elements (except hydrogen and helium) are formed in the stars. We are literally star dust.
I agree. Same with my old, pos car, my television, my yard, my dog, and the planet itself. No argument there.
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>But I think life itself has to be 'programmed' by something out there.
That does have a possibility. All you need to be able to teach that belief of yours in public school classrooms is evidence of this 'programming', and evidence of the 'Programmer'.

Until then, it does not qualify as science, and thus has no place in public school classrooms.

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#64389 Dec 10, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The process of bringing you into this world is called, what ?
Birth.

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#64390 Dec 10, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Merry Christmas to you and your lovely family also. God bless you.
Get a room.

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#64391 Dec 10, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The universe very well may have started out very very small and then branched out, however it happened in a 6 day period.
Is there any evidence for that?
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#64392 Dec 10, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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....oooookay....
<<Kong backing away slowly>>
Perfect way of handling things, Bud
See I always knew you were smart under all that stupidness

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#64393 Dec 10, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>From my understanding of miracles, they originate from God with suddeness. Jesus performed miracles which prove this assertion. It only took long enough for him to command it to be and it was so.
Is there any physical evidence left over from those miracles?
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#64394 Dec 10, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Get a room.
Gee, you're easy
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#64395 Dec 10, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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Yeah, I did see that.
A case could be made for *indirectly* receiving money through tax payers.
But this begs the question: Why would NASA and the US Air Force (among others) provide funding to SETI without those organizations holding the possibilty of a return?
A modest monetary offering by these donors could result in mighty interesting data. You might say it's a long shot (as would I), but we don't know what kind of funding they're offering.
In order to get more funding, silly
Its a popular thought amongst dodos like you that aliens are real and trying to send us coded messages...
Apologies to any Christians that also think that!

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#64396 Dec 10, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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You are not really making any sense here.
The Old Testament is demonstrated to be just a bunch of myths and allegory...not real in any sense. And just think how many people have fallen for it.
How is "Thou shalt not kill" a myth or allegory?
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#64397 Dec 10, 2012
EvolutionRules wrote:
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A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. There is no scientific theory of Creationism.
I don't adhere well to affixing "labels" onto personal beliefs..."broad range ones" especially.

"In the beginning, there was light" says plenty enough for me, to be able to appreciate BOTH the scientific aspects of the "subject", as well written words as found in non-scientific books, such as the Bible.

and I like this define better--
Scientific theory

Systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

and even more so, since we really do NOT "know" with 100 percent certainty, on EITHER, calling the "big bang" elements a theory, would be "stretching" the truth somewhat as well, as it really is more of a "hypothesis", much along the lines of the statement "in the beginning there was light..." ..we think, but we were NOT thre, to KNOW, with certainty.

hy·poth·e·sis
[hahy-poth-uh-sis, hi-] Show IPA
noun, plural hy·poth·e·ses [-seez] Show IPA .
1.
a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.
2.
a proposition assumed as a premise in an argument.
3.
the antecedent of a conditional proposition.
4.
a mere assumption or guess.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#64398 Dec 10, 2012
EvolutionRules wrote:
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I'm a Christian and I can assure you, that isn't a scientific theory.
How can you be a Christian and believe in evolution?
What did Jesus die for?

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#64399 Dec 10, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The Bible tells us in GEN 1:1&2&3 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." If we could use our understanding of sound light and heat and describe the command as a literal voice which traveled upon waves of patterned compressions and rarefactions, then we can form a creation theory which seperates the event into understandable constituents. We can apply our observations concerning sound as it travels through water to make claims describing the reality.
I don't think outer space is made of water. You want astronauts to trade in their spacesuits for swimsuits?

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#64400 Dec 10, 2012
I love these threads as they tend to lead to the embarrassment of the creationists.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#64401 Dec 10, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
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Is there any physical evidence left over from those miracles?
Big Bang Theory - The Only Plausible Theory?
Is the standard Big Bang theory the only model consistent with these evidences? No, it's just the most popular one....

In 2003, Physicist Robert Gentry proposed an attractive alternative to the standard theory, an alternative which also accounts for the evidences listed above.5 Dr. Gentry claims that the standard Big Bang model is founded upon a faulty paradigm (the Friedmann-lemaitre expanding-spacetime paradigm) which he claims is inconsistent with the empirical data. He chooses instead to base his model on Einstein's static-spacetime paradigm which he claims is the "genuine cosmic Rosetta." Gentry has published several papers outlining what he considers to be serious flaws in the standard Big Bang model.6 Other high-profile dissenters include Nobel laureate Dr. Hannes Alfvén, Professor Geoffrey Burbidge, Dr. Halton Arp, and the renowned British astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle, who is accredited with first coining the term "the Big Bang" during a BBC radio broadcast in 1950.

:-)

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#64402 Dec 10, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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I agree. Same with my old, pos car, my television, my yard, my dog, and the planet itself. No argument there.
<quoted text>
That does have a possibility. All you need to be able to teach that belief of yours in public school classrooms is evidence of this 'programming', and evidence of the 'Programmer'.
Until then, it does not qualify as science, and thus has no place in public school classrooms.
That's right. It may not be science to you, but when SETI finds evidence in space, you will be wrong!

How else can DNA be formed? random chance? I don't think so. DNA code looks like it was manipulated by an intelligent life.

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#64403 Dec 10, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>This thread is concerning creation and I believe the Creator is the God of the Bible.
I believe the creator of god is the Scribe of the bible who wrote down the first joke after writing was invented.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#64404 Dec 10, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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The Big Bang is a hypothesis about the origine of the Universe.....cosmological, not the beginning of life itself, which is biological.
Thank youuu lol.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#64405 Dec 10, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
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Exactly. It was a great surprise to most scientists after they thought they
had a handle on telling which parts of the DNA actually coded for proteins
and which didn't. It was hard to believe, but it was looking like most of
it did nothing. So some just decided to call it junk DNA, and then tried to
rationalize how that could possibly be explained. So naturally there has
been a lot of speculation about it.
I don't think it was so much the idea that there could be some parts that
were left behind by evolution as other parts of the genome changed, but what
was shocking was the possibility that maybe as much as 90% of the DNA for
some species could be non-coding.
Now it seems that parts of the previously inexplicable segments operate in a
kind of different way, and so it remains to be seen how much is really
essential. I believe most scientists in the field were expecting some sort
of explanation eventually, and were suspending judgement. Others preferred
to run with what what they saw, to see if they could make a theory that fit
that evidence. It's typical of the way science progresses, and no reason to
worry about who to criticise for leaping to conclusions. Some times those
who leap first are the pioneers, and sometimes they just arrive at the dead
end sooner, while someone else discovers the path that leads forward.
There is no cause to disparage the excitement for the pursuit of knowledge
in that way, or to take all the mistakes to blame science as a whole,
without crediting it for the progress that is eventually made.
Scientists are human, and probably a few percent never accept newer
theories. Then what happens is that ignorant people with political or
manipulative agendas try to inject politics or religious views into the
fray, pick and choose the from the results or personalities. They then make
a lot of irrational noise about it, to harness the non-scientists and the
gullible into some project they have in mind. I love fairy tales and
science fiction myself, but I keep them separate in my head, so that I know
what to depend on when reality smacks me in the face.
Best way to "read/learn" anything (and thnx--I enjoyed reading that!!:-)...)
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#64406 Dec 10, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting smattering of quotes and facts, but it does not answer the question.
What was the question?

Any discussion of the Big Bang theory would be incomplete without asking the question, what about God? This is because cosmogony (the study of the origin of the universe) is an area where science and theology meet. Creation was a supernatural event. That is, it took place outside of the natural realm. This fact begs the question: is there anything else which exists outside of the natural realm? Specifically, is there a master Architect out there? We know that this universe had a beginning. Was God the "First Cause"? We won't attempt to answer that question in this short article.

We just ask the question...

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