Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

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Dec 9, 2012
 
Cybele wrote:
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A bunch of gibberish and fallacious statements.
Please explain why REAL SCIENCE would substantiate the validity of theory of evolution?
P.s.

It already has.

Long before you were born.

And so since you haven't been able to address a single post about evolution without resorting to bringing up a question on a subject different to whichever one you were replying then I guess evolution is in no danger of being falsified any time soon.

"Right, so they explained how the giraffe demonstrated evolution. Okay then well what about the evolution of the rare lesser-spotted weasel of the far Australian outback! What about that one, huh? Huh? HUH?!?"

Keep going kid, you're batting a thousand.

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#64181
Dec 9, 2012
 
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Um, bub, but in case you didn't notice? That has already been given to you.
Last Thursday.
What exactly would convince someone who isn't interested in science and is personally convinced of evolution's falsity anyway?
I can't convince the willfully ignorant. And I don't care if you personally don't understand what it is we're saying. Your lack of education is not our problem.
So why don't you answer my question? Does someone need to accept the string theory or parallel universe if one takes a physics class?
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Dec 9, 2012
 
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I didn't see the evidence, that's right. I was hoping for something like evidence in mutagenesis in nature or in a lab.
... and not only do you want dinos to birds, but you want it in your own lifetime. YUP! YOU CERTAINLY DID GREAT IN THAT BIOLOGY CLASS!
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I am really more interested in genetics than fossil records as some evidence turned out to be a hoax.
Really? Any of those hoaxes turn out to be ones that used evolution to falsify 'em perchance?

If I find you mentioned one of the creo usuals there'll have to be another kitten sacrifice!
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Dec 9, 2012
 
Makesure100 wrote:
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Science doesn't exsist Freakshow. Lets have a party.
Oh, you're a nihilist. Great.

It's okay Donny. We are in no danger at all.
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#64184
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Cybele wrote:
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There is a lot of contradiction in your statement. If we evolved gradually how did some dino evolved into some weightless bird. That's some drastic change in size. LOL.
Yeah, because there was no such thing as small dinosaurs.

YUP! GREAT BIOLOGY EDUCATION TO BE HAD HERE! Jesus...
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Dec 9, 2012
 
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Still just a bunch of chemical reactions?
Describe and define then the evolution of sentience (reasoning, the sense of self, personality, thinking, etc). I would contend that sentience is very much more than just a bunch of chemical reactions.
Put a food blender to the inside of your cranium and then press "on" to prevent the proper chemical reactions from taking place.

I personally GUARANTEE you that sentience will no longer inhabit that particular biomass.

If you come back as a ghost and tap me on the shoulder then we'll know I was wrong.
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#64186
Dec 9, 2012
 
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Call me Boris.
Nah.

Doris.
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Dec 9, 2012
 
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I'd rather read the science of spiderman. Who wants to wait another million years to evolve when we have the technology to alter our genes? Seriously I don't care where we came from.
Wow. We got ourselves a real live eugenicist in our ranks!
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#64188
Dec 9, 2012
 
Cybele wrote:
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Yes I know. They inject those hormones in animals.
Ever heard of Spider-Goat?
Wait, lemme guess - this GROSS violation of nested hierarchies is something that would personally convince you of evolution?

FRED? FRED! I think I might need another kitten!
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Dec 9, 2012
 
Makesure100 wrote:
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Search. Easily if you are teachable, humble.
Translation: Gullible and naive.

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#64190
Dec 9, 2012
 
Dude, you can go on and on about my arguments. Yet so far, you haven't provided evidence!

If you accept the theory of evolution, then you would have to accept the M theory or string theory, blackholes, parallel universe or multiverse, etc.

And oh here's something for ya:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scien...
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So why don't you answer my question? Does someone need to accept the string theory or parallel universe if one takes a physics class?
They'd at least need to know of the existence of small dinosaurs.(shrug)

So why are you asking me to answer something again? What was it you were looking for? The "Missing link"? I gave you fifteen.(Plus that particular request is a danger to kittens). Linkys to more? Provided. Genetic evidence? It was provided. Mutation rates? Provided. Gradual change across the fossil record? Provided. Comparative anatomy? Provided. Consistent nested hierarchies across all of these? Provided.

Seriously bub, what the FRAK could you POSSIBLY want? 100% proof positive that DEFINITELY no invisible magical Jewish wizard poofed the universe and all life on Earth into existence? Sorry, but I cannot provide that. But then it's not relevant to the validity of evolution anyway.
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Dec 9, 2012
 
Cybele wrote:
Dude, you can go on and on about my arguments. Yet so far, you haven't provided evidence!
Of course I haven't. That's because you are not interested.(shrug)
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If you accept the theory of evolution, then you would have to accept the M theory or string theory, blackholes, parallel universe or multiverse, etc.
Not actually the case, since they are all scientific HYPOTHESES that are WITHIN cosmology. For instance, the multiverse and black holes are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately the usage of the terminology is such that it's quicker to say "theory" instead of "scientific hypothesis", such as in these cases, and that tends to be confusing for laymen but there ya go.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scien...
THAT'S GREAT! So all you need to do now is provide me with what I've been asking for 7 years now - if evolution is indeed false and no longer the prevailing scientific theory in modern biology (which MIGHT just be a bit of a surprise to like pretty much the entire scientific community to a point that even all creo propagandists would have to go back and do a double double take) then by all means, please present us with your alternative "scientific explanation" that does a better job of explaining the evidence.

So far the only thing people have been tried on us is that everything was magically poofed by an invisible Jewish wizard.

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They'd at least need to know of the existence of small dinosaurs.(shrug)
So why are you asking me to answer something again? What was it you were looking for? The "Missing link"? I gave you fifteen.(Plus that particular request is a danger to kittens). Linkys to more? Provided. Genetic evidence? It was provided. Mutation rates? Provided. Gradual change across the fossil record? Provided. Comparative anatomy? Provided. Consistent nested hierarchies across all of these? Provided.
Seriously bub, what the FRAK could you POSSIBLY want? 100% proof positive that DEFINITELY no invisible magical Jewish wizard poofed the universe and all life on Earth into existence? Sorry, but I cannot provide that. But then it's not relevant to the validity of evolution anyway.
I was provided evidence (to some not all) but the source didn't provide answers to my questions. It even says it on the source!

If you've taken all sciences then you would know that not all theories are legit or have eventually been superseded or replaced.
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Cybele wrote:
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I was provided evidence (to some not all) but the source didn't provide answers to my questions. It even says it on the source!
Which source? And then you must consider are your questions reasonable? For example, creationists here often demand that (while they provide sweet FA) we provide a complete and total step by step, mutation by mutation, organism by organism account of the entire 4 billion year history of life on Earth for all of the BILLIONS of species that ever lived.

And if we can't do that then Goddidit with magic.
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If you've taken all sciences then you would know that not all theories are legit or have eventually been superseded or replaced.
Indeed. But it is looking increasingly likely that evolution may be modified as new evidence comes in, which is normal for any theory. But not the question of whether or not common ancestry occurred. The REAL scientific debates in biology are over HOW evolution has occurred, the mechanisms, the particulars, etc. Rather like Newton's gravity. It works. We even teach it in schools it works that good. It is correct - to a point at least. And it was superseded by Einstein's relativity. Which in turn is being superseded by quantum mechanics. But in each case the basics of gravity still work the same. Apples will still fall down. And our understanding of how gravity works has only been refined, not thrown out entirely.

So unless the creationists come up with something drastic, it looks like evolution is heading that way.

Which is why a lot of them pray for Judgement day.(shrug)

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Wow. We got ourselves a real live eugenicist in our ranks!
Unfortunately, we still don't have an answer to why humans have different blood types or why we have different races. Or do you?

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#64197
Dec 9, 2012
 
Cybele wrote:
Dude, you can go on and on about my arguments. Yet so far, you haven't provided evidence!
If you accept the theory of evolution, then you would have to accept the M theory or string theory, blackholes, parallel universe or multiverse, etc.
And oh here's something for ya:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scien...
Cybele, the problem is that you are a denier. You deny scientific evidence when it is presented to you. And only a liar would deny scientific evidence.

Do you know what scientific evidence is?

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Cybele, the problem is that you are a denier. You deny scientific evidence when it is presented to you. And only a liar would deny scientific evidence.
Do you know what scientific evidence is?
NO I don't deny it. It is just lacking in scientific evidence, that's all.

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Translation: Gullible and naive.
Anyone who writes as much as you....is simply a freak. You spewww crap from out of your garments..........too many words == no one reads. Freak ........Get a life by feeling yourself first.

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Cybele wrote:
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NO I don't deny it. It is just lacking in scientific evidence, that's all.
Find anything with any more scientific evidence supporting it.

At least my lesson of scientific evidence has gotten through.

I am not a biologist so I cannot argue the merits of all of their evidence for evolution. It is at least as massive as geologies. We have very good fossil lineages for quite a few species. Included are whales, horses, giraffes, elephants, many lines of dinosaurs, an almost unbelievable amount of sea life.

Since you seem to have trouble believing the theory of evolution why don't you tell us what you believe and we will tell you why it is wrong. This should be a give and take. We have been doing all of the giving, you have provided nothing except for negation.

Time to turn things around a bit.

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