Evolution vs. Creation

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“Old Faces!”

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#64048 Dec 8, 2012
We are what we are.God versus evolution!Does God exist?Where is the Devil?The fallen son.Does he exist?Maybe God and the Devil are within us all!And now 21/12/12 the end of the world,or only the beginning of a new chapter?Or maybe nothing at all."I think therefore i am".

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#64049 Dec 8, 2012
Igor Trip wrote:
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?!!!
It doesn't.
If it helps the individual survive then it will be passed on to next generation. If not it dies with the individual.
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That's a presumption on your part.
If the cost is greater than the benefit then those mutations wouldn't have survived.
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No because natural selection (what survives breeds) clears them out.
Species adapt to an environment. If the environment doesn't change then once fully adapted the species won't change.
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But there's always new ones. Evolution never stops.
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Like you understand the data?
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Your opinion is irrelevant.
I great waste of time and opinion!

Eg."If it helps the individual survive then it will be passed on to next generation. If not it dies with the individual." How simplistic.

The rest is evasive jabber.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#64050 Dec 8, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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All great points that should end in "we think" no matter what you think you know you maybe able to remove most uncertainty but you will never know it all. In the quest for certainty only an idiot claims to know it all and has history has shown us even the "small stuff" can change I'm positive to I'm not sure.
Not really. Until there is evidence that suggests otherwise, saying we know based on solid evidence is perfectly valid. The only time a "we think" qualifier is required is if there is no evidence or the evidence is still in the process of being examined, such as the natural methods of abiogenesis that are being explored.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#64051 Dec 8, 2012
A Username Eludes Me wrote:
We are what we are.God versus evolution!Does God exist?Where is the Devil?The fallen son.Does he exist?Maybe God and the Devil are within us all!And now 21/12/12 the end of the world,or only the beginning of a new chapter?Or maybe nothing at all."I think therefore i am".
First, try asking rhetorical questions without presupposing there is a god or any sort.

Second, conspiracy nuttery is not a good thing to add to your delusion.
drinK the Hive

Anonymous Proxy

#64052 Dec 8, 2012
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Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#64053 Dec 8, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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The references given, as always, fail to support your assertions.
They actually point to a regional flood with known limits to the area flooded.
So if this is your flood reference it only proves the bible to be lying when it claims to involve the whole world.
They will support whatever I want them to support just like you do. Mega flooding is better than no evidence from your own at all. Lying am I? Are you a child?

Torrential rain for 40 days is going to make it pretty wet everywhere and again you are talking about a deity you know nothing about and can only quack about that just might be able to do something your litle mind does not understand.

You stay with your philosophy because you are no good at science.

“Old Faces!”

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Since: Aug 10

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#64054 Dec 8, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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First, try asking rhetorical questions without presupposing there is a god or any sort.
Second, conspiracy nuttery is not a good thing to add to your delusion.
You are maybe deluded,no?I don't believe in God or the Devil or the end of the world.You madam have no sense of humour :-)Lighten up please and enjoy your life!Maybe your post count tells me you spend too much time on Topix.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#64055 Dec 8, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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They will support whatever I want them to support just like you do. Mega flooding is better than no evidence from your own at all. Lying am I? Are you a child?
Torrential rain for 40 days is going to make it pretty wet everywhere and again you are talking about a deity you know nothing about and can only quack about that just might be able to do something your litle mind does not understand.
You stay with your philosophy because you are no good at science.
You are no good at trolling. Try harder. Spamming does not make a good troll.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#64056 Dec 8, 2012
A Username Eludes Me wrote:
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You are maybe deluded,no?I don't believe in God or the Devil or the end of the world.You madam have no sense of humour :-)Lighten up please and enjoy your life!Maybe your post count tells me you spend too much time on Topix.
Meh, I spend a lot of time online, job requires I'm at my computer and ... well ... it's boring watching network traffic meters and processes 24-7. So ... your point?

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#64057 Dec 8, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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I great waste of time and opinion!

Yes, you are a great waste of time and opinion.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#64058 Dec 8, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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I great waste of time and opinion!
Eg."If it helps the individual survive then it will be passed on to next generation. If not it dies with the individual." How simplistic.
Of course it's simple. It also works.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#64059 Dec 8, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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They will support whatever I want them to support just like you do. Mega flooding is better than no evidence from your own at all. Lying am I? Are you a child?
Torrential rain for 40 days is going to make it pretty wet everywhere and again you are talking about a deity you know nothing about and can only quack about that just might be able to do something your litle mind does not understand.
You stay with your philosophy because you are no good at science.

LOL.

You blow hard but produce no wind.

Let me know when you have a rational argument.

Still banking on the refuted notion of "genetic entropy"?

LOL!!!

“Old Faces!”

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Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#64060 Dec 8, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Meh, I spend a lot of time online, job requires I'm at my computer and ... well ... it's boring watching network traffic meters and processes 24-7. So ... your point?
My point is you are quick to judge.You are very serious in your opinions,this is your choice.I am here to pass some time,not to judge or preach.Have some fun,lighten up,smile and be happy.Have a nice day.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#64061 Dec 8, 2012
Hmm, since Maz's quotes mean whatever she wants them to mean why does she even bother to quote scientific sites.

She might as well as use this one:

http://www.stampor.com/

Or this one:

http://www.technotronic.com/

Tada!!! Evolution debunked!

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#64062 Dec 8, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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They will support whatever I want them to support just like you do. Mega flooding is better than no evidence from your own at all. Lying am I? Are you a child?
Torrential rain for 40 days is going to make it pretty wet everywhere and again you are talking about a deity you know nothing about and can only quack about that just might be able to do something your litle mind does not understand.
You stay with your philosophy because you are no good at science.
"Pretty wet" is not even close to "flooding every mountain in the world." Pretty wet is just pretty wet. There are places that rain for 80 days at a time, Seattle is one.

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#64063 Dec 8, 2012
MADRONE wrote:
<quoted text>You seem pretty touchy about your silly beliefs.
You just seem silly about my touchy beliefs......lol

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#64064 Dec 8, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>That is why objective scientific research is so important today, and why people who try to slow it's progress are harming the species. But I also suspect that's why they want to slow it, because scientific data holds up mirrors that can show us everything about ourselves, every little detail. As a species, we have not proven to be the most intelligent at all on this planet. One day I hope we do, but we need something new to try because religious nonsense has obviously not been working.
I am all about scientific discoveries I just also happen to think that God wanted man to find what they have found. I would even be willing to bet God is proud of man when we make break throughs like space travel and such. I think science will find how "God dun it" just don't be blind to the idea of the occasional miracle.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#64065 Dec 8, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I am all about scientific discoveries I just also happen to think that God wanted man to find what they have found. I would even be willing to bet God is proud of man when we make break throughs like space travel and such. I think science will find how "God dun it" just don't be blind to the idea of the occasional miracle.
when you are too busy looking for miracles, you will see them in inane things, and then you will miss the important discoveries and experiences. There is a reason we treat delusions and don't just let them fester now.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#64066 Dec 8, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
Again, if you want to use a source that disagrees with you, you need to show how it is wrong and how your conclusion is correct.
Your last one disagrees with your conclusion. Therefore you have misinterpreted it. There conclusion is that their data supports a specific model of evolution, not the bullshit you preach:
"The importance of effective population size in influencing the organization and complexity of genomes has recently been highlighted [37]. Our findings support the idea that microevolutionary processes are also strongly influenced by population size, and are evidence for the nearly neutral model of molecular evolution [38] in mammalian genomes."
You keep making the mistake of thinking a constraint on rate is a constraint on how far a creature can evolve. A constraint on speed of 20 mph does not mean you cannot take a 1,000 mile trip. It will only take you 50 hours, where at 50 miles per hour it would take you 20 hours.
The source data I am agreeing with being, results show limits, slow downs and less choices. The data does show that and you cannot disagree with that.

I do not agree with the further speculative modelling that uses mythical and speculated landscapes to propose a plethora of other options that excuse the data into evolutionary terms. I have said it a dozen times.

The data proposes a limit and I do not need more complicatd modelling to realign that data into neutral or bla bla to make it all warm and fuzzy and TOE like.

A constraint is exactly what a limit should look like.
Your example is a perfect example of a 'limit'. ie beneficial mutations 'slow down' or do not offer as many options as they might have without this limit. The research suggests decreases in the chances of beneficial mutations actually being beneficial. Did TOE make this prediction before you found it?

You have no idea of population size and can only guess at mutation rates. The data demonstrates a limit and more algorithmic magic suggests that it is neutral.
So again I say just because the researchers do not agree with me and can come up with computer modelling that makes deterioration or negative epistasis become neutral or not a problem, does not mean that the data does not show a limit as well as deterioration of the genome.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#64067 Dec 8, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Once again, why do you think that animals don't have a conscience? They have a different conscience than you do, though a lot of your reactions had to be taught to you also.
One of muh dog critters has a good one...the other one is a scrappy lil aquisition that used to live in a junkyard dog environment. I have to run him straight sometime lol.

Neither one of them messes with the CAT!

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