Evolution vs. Creation

[Bat Foy]

KittenKoder wrote:

<quoted text>Not with 100% certainty, but that's simply due to our limited understanding of the processes in the entire universe, not evolution, we understand that well enough that if we knew all the influences outside of it, we'd be able to predict future phylogeny the way we have predicted the creation of future atomic elements, or how we predict the orbit of the moon, things like that. Not that they're connected, but that there are a lot of tiny influences we just don't have algorithms to help us map yet.

Would human DNA evolve slower due to our technology and our ability to change our environment since the day man made fire we have changed the world to suite us?

[macumazahn]

Bat Foy wrote:

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I always thought of thinking in odds and statistics was more a mathematical thing.

When the numbers get big enough (and in bio they can get HUGE), all science is subject to math.

[macumazahn]

Cybele wrote:

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You've never seen them eat grass? not only that, they also drink water.

No, I've never seen them graze.
Of course they drink water - and an awkward process it is.

[Cybele]

Bat Foy wrote:

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Would human DNA evolve slower due to our technology and our ability to change our environment since the day man made fire we have changed the world to suite us?

Do you really believe we will evolve into another species millions of years from now? The only thing that would make that possible is through the use of technology. And it can happen in our lifetime if we allow it.

[Makesure100]

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>Even if one accepted the silliness of that long-debunked argument - how do you know you're worshipping the right watchmaker?

Search. Easily if you are teachable, humble.

[KittenKoder]

Bat Foy wrote:

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Would human DNA evolve slower due to our technology and our ability to change our environment since the day man made fire we have changed the world to suite us?

Actually, no, it seems like it is for the same reason watching birds evolve from dinosaurs would have you calling the birds dinosaurs still. We do have photographic evidence of some change, barely noticeable. It's a slow process, one that takes a lot of generations, that's generations not years. Human generations generally align with decades, so tens of thousands of years before you'd actually see a visible trait. But, we have seen some new physiological traits evolve in recent years, one being AIDS resistance, a very beneficial trait if it propagates, which it will because we are now under what is best described as self selection, or artificial selection. We are choosing each other based on personal preference, it's why many of our features have smoothed out actually, and why the "mixed" traits of certain genetic lines, African dark skinned to European light skinned for example, are becoming so prevalent, lots of people see the combination as beautiful, so the gene mixes are propagating as well. See, evolution isn't just mutation, it's also the mixing of the genes, and why multi-parentage became the most common form of breeding, just not binary like us because the binary system is ... well ... very flawed. Who knows what the future really holds, it's the trip there that's the fun part of it all anyway.

[Bat Foy]

Cybele wrote:

<quoted text>Do you really believe we will evolve into another species millions of years from now? The only thing that would make that possible is through the use of technology. And it can happen in our lifetime if we allow it.

No I believe God made man from dirt like the bible says. I would like to understand evolution though why they think the way they do. If they want to know about faith and the bible and aren't just going to call me stupid when I answer they are more than welcome to ask. I do believe things adapt to environment and such so they can survive but a dinosaur giving birth to a chicken not so much. I do find the whole thing fascinating.

[Cybele]

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>No, I've never seen them graze.
Of course they drink water - and an awkward process it is.

It looks awkward to us but their necks are flexible

[Cybele]

Bat Foy wrote:

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No I believe God made man from dirt like the bible says. I would like to understand evolution though why they think the way they do. If they want to know about faith and the bible and aren't just going to call me stupid when I answer they are more than welcome to ask. I do believe things adapt to environment and such so they can survive but a dinosaur giving birth to a chicken not so much. I do find the whole thing fascinating.

The problem with the bible is it is a bunch of metaphorical sense and symbolism. One should not take it literally.

[Bat Foy]

KittenKoder wrote:

<quoted text>Actually, no, it seems like it is for the same reason watching birds evolve from dinosaurs would have you calling the birds dinosaurs still. We do have photographic evidence of some change, barely noticeable. It's a slow process, one that takes a lot of generations, that's generations not years. Human generations generally align with decades, so tens of thousands of years before you'd actually see a visible trait. But, we have seen some new physiological traits evolve in recent years, one being AIDS resistance, a very beneficial trait if it propagates, which it will because we are now under what is best described as self selection, or artificial selection. We are choosing each other based on personal preference, it's why many of our features have smoothed out actually, and why the "mixed" traits of certain genetic lines, African dark skinned to European light skinned for example, are becoming so prevalent, lots of people see the combination as beautiful, so the gene mixes are propagating as well. See, evolution isn't just mutation, it's also the mixing of the genes, and why multi-parentage became the most common form of breeding, just not binary like us because the binary system is ... well ... very flawed. Who knows what the future really holds, it's the trip there that's the fun part of it all anyway.

I was under the impression blacks are black because the environment they live in is hot and they needed to be black to survive? Wouldn't that be a adapting?
The same for whites where they live is colder and so they have white skin and more hair.....like Robin Williams

[macumazahn]

Makesure100 wrote:

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Search. Easily if you are teachable, humble.

Ah.

Gottit.

Quetzalcoatl.

[Bat Foy]

Cybele wrote:

<quoted text>The problem with the bible is it is a bunch of metaphorical sense and symbolism. One should not take it literally.

I know these guys have been telling me that for 3 weeks now. God came to me and pulled me back together when I was in a real bad spot. I'm loyal to a fault. I follow the words of Christ love people even when they hate you and have faith.

[macumazahn]

Cybele wrote:

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It looks awkward to us but their necks are flexible

They have to spread their forelegs way apart and practically do a forward squat to reach the water.
And you've never seen 'em eating grass either.

C'mon, you made a teensy bio-blunder. Just quit digging and 'fess up.

[macumazahn]

Cybele wrote:

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The problem with the bible is it is a bunch of metaphorical sense and symbolism. One should not take it literally.

Oh, good. We can chuck all that silly Genesis stuff.
Noah, too.

Wait, there goes Leviticus, too...

[Bat Foy]

Kitten I brought pi 3.14159265359

[Cybele]

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>They have to spread their forelegs way apart and practically do a forward squat to reach the water.
And you've never seen 'em eating grass either.
C'mon, you made a teensy bio-blunder. Just quit digging and 'fess up.

LOL. There are wild animal parks in Cali and also Safari West here. I don't care if you believe me or not.

[Cybele]

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>Oh, good. We can chuck all that silly Genesis stuff.
Noah, too.
Wait, there goes Leviticus, too...

Ya and that burning bush that made Moses high and started tripping? haha!

[macumazahn]

Bat Foy wrote:

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I know these guys have been telling me that for 3 weeks now. God came to me and pulled me back together when I was in a real bad spot. I'm loyal to a fault. I follow the words of Christ love people even when they hate you and have faith.

Wait, you may have gotten the wrong idea here.

There is a major qualitative difference between "Christians" and "Fundies".

There are quite a few Christians on Topix who are well-liked and respected by many of us unbelievers, and I doubt that any of us would begrudge you your beliefs or whatever comfort you derive from them.

The problem arises from a sloppiness in terminology. Some of us refer to Fundies as "Christians", in a generic sense. I've done it myself, and apologized for it, before.

You might simply have to deduce which meaning is intended from context.

[Double Fine]

Cybele wrote:

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what did I plagiarize when I simply said you can simply find an answer on Google! You are really dumb. You evos just like to insult because when asked for REAL evidence you got none. You just resort to ad homs. How sad.

We gave you plenty of evidence. You are just incapable of interpreting it.

[Cybele]

Bat Foy wrote:

Kitten I brought pi 3.14159265359

what about fish?