Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221264 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Nov 12

Raymond, Canada

#63869 Dec 7, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Do you thik abiogenesis should be classified as PHYSICS?
I do.
Sounds more like chemistry to me, but close enough. Why classify?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#63870 Dec 7, 2012
bohart wrote:
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Hah! a typical defense reponse from the sidekick of the Stygian witch, the slut of Beelzebub.As you sit stewing in the bubbling pool of Satans semen carefully lift the Devils nutsack out of your eyes and commence your fornicaton with the evolutionist whore of Babylon that your offspring may populate the bowels of Satan to prepare for the apocalypse.
Hail the Goo!
Yep, typical creotard...much much more evil than any atheist ever thought of being.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#63871 Dec 7, 2012
Jeez! Have all the potty-mouth trolls run out of places to bump #icks on the other forum threads? Less vitriol, more content, folks!

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#63872 Dec 7, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Arch has not gained any bird traits nor loose any dino traits, that appears to be what you refuse to suck up.
Arch has a wishbone just like a theropod, feathers like a theropod, three digits like a theropod, has a moveable thighbone like a dinosaur and a beak like a dino and a plethora of other species.
Arch does not have a reversed hallux like a bird, hollow bones like a bird, a moveable thighbone like a bird, a wishbone like a modern bird, nor a beak like a modern bird.
So I will ask again seeing as you evos have bombed out with every try,eg hollow bones what traits are intermedicate or a mix that suggests arch is anything more than a variety of dinosaur?
Evos are you still wiping egg off their faces around their hollow boned dinosaurs?
Ladies and gentleman, Maz Here the Mad Hare once again declaring victory in the face of utter defeat. Give her a big round of applause.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63873 Dec 7, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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That would be because despite all the rhetoric and similarity many non closely related species share, only mankind, a furless, obligate bipedal primate, can make meaning of the world and conceive the concept of a God and afterlife. Despite sign language a fur laiden ape will never conceive of a God, no matter how many generations of signing you evoke.
The mind of God is where we refect the likeness of God, not in the limbs tetrapods and whales are supposed to share which is ridiculous, nor the neural spindles primates share with whales and nothing in between.
Yet, you demonstrate a clear inability to utilize these concepts you claim make us stand out. Sadly, you are so wrong on your assertion it's almost humorous. Delusion is also as common in other animals as well, so is drug addiction. Other animals also demonstrate very basic scientific understanding in many cases, no theory or gravity equations but understanding none-the-less.

We are also not the only bipeds, also we do have fur, it's just not thick fur in all areas. Have you ever seen a chimp's hand? It's hairless on the palms like ours, and the patches of hair on the back of the hands match ours as well. You feel so small, probably because you really don't know anything, that you have to make up this magical and all-powerful thing to be "a mirror" of in order to feel significant. I feel sorry for people with self esteems as low as yours, clinging to fairy tales in order to quell that small voice in your head telling you that you are useless, worthless, that you cannot do anything at all, so you make up an imaginary friend to fight that small voice. The problem is that you cannot admit that this friend is imaginary, that is why it's a delusion.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63874 Dec 7, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Do you thik abiogenesis should be classified as PHYSICS?
I do.
Depends on which abiogenesis hypothesis holds water, or which one you are talking about. The primary one that's strong and showing demonstrable results is chemistry, which is fitting since chemistry is pretty much a precursor to all biological functions.

Now if you're talking about the abiogenesis assertion of the bible, that dirt was magically poofed into life, that's just fairy tales.

Such matters you should be a little more precise on.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63875 Dec 7, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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So how does the genome know what is or is not a beneficial mutation?
...
You just won the golden qqoq award!

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#63876 Dec 7, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Arch has not gained any bird traits nor loose any dino traits, that appears to be what you refuse to suck up.
Arch has a wishbone just like a theropod, feathers like a theropod, three digits like a theropod, has a moveable thighbone like a dinosaur and a beak like a dino and a plethora of other species.
Arch does not have a reversed hallux like a bird, hollow bones like a bird, a moveable thighbone like a bird, a wishbone like a modern bird, nor a beak like a modern bird.
So I will ask again seeing as you evos have bombed out with every try,eg hollow bones what traits are intermedicate or a mix that suggests arch is anything more than a variety of dinosaur?
Evos are you still wiping egg off their faces around their hollow boned dinosaurs?
Here is what I don't get. Maz doesn't understand what Archaeopteryx is, but somehow recent findings by scientists regarding Archaeopteryx place in the lineage between dinosaurs somehow shatters the theory of evolution? Not even remotely correct. All this is is an argument in science over the placement of Archaeopteryx. Whether it will retain its position as an intermediate species sharing traits between dinosaurs and birds (including a wishbone) or as a member of a related clade will be a matter of further research, debate and further evidence.

Which ever evidence best supports the future classification of this animal, it still clearly possesses features transitional between dinosaurs and modern birds.

Only someone completely outside their intellectual element would consider this to be evidence to break down the theory of evolution.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63877 Dec 7, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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I would never be so ignorant (as you have just shown to be, because you have NO IDEA, WHAT I believe in) to imply ANY such thing for I did not personally KNOW the man, and therefore, can only base MY OPINION on what I've READ of the mans writings.
SOME of interviews WITH Eistien however, can be read BELOW--
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The following comes from "What Life Means to Einstein: An Interview by George Sylvester Viereck,"The Saturday Evening Post, Oct. 26, 1929, p. 17. The questions are posed by Viereck; the reply to each is by Einstein.
On Jesus-
"To what extent are you influenced by Christianity?"
"As a child, I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene."
"Have you read Emil Ludwig's book on Jesus?
"Emil Ludwig's Jesus," replied Einstein, "is shallow. Jesus is too colossal for the pen of phrasemongers, however artful. No man can dispose of Christianity with a bon mot."
"You accept the historical existence of Jesus?"
"Unquestionably. No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life. How different, for instance, is the impression which we receive from an account of legendary heroes of antiquity like Theseus. Theseus and other heroes of his type lack the authentic vitality of Jesus."
"Ludwig Lewisohn, in one of his recent books, claims that many of the sayings of Jesus paraphrase the sayings of other prophets."
"No man," Einstein replied, "can deny the fact that Jesus existed, nor that his sayings are beautiful. Even if some them have been said before, no one has expressed them so divinely as he."
None of these quotes debunk what I said about Einstein's views.

Didn't you do at least a little investigation before you showed that you were the ignorant one?

I tell you what, I am feeling generous. Look up what Einstein seriously thought about Christianity and Judaism. Here is a hint, more than once he called them childish beliefs.

Admit you were wrong, and I will forget this incident.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63878 Dec 7, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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They're not though, or they would be called Grimms Gospels.
Stop trying to distort the archivial reference subjectors.
Hey genius, he was not talking about the Gospels, they are only 2,000 years old. But you do have a good point. There are some obvious fairy tales in the gospels too.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63879 Dec 7, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Hey genius, he was not talking about the Gospels, they are only 2,000 years old. But you do have a good point. There are some obvious fairy tales in the gospels too.
No, they're all obviously fairy tales.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63880 Dec 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, they're all obviously fairy tales.
Shh, we have to break it to them gently.

There probably was a person named Jesus and he may even have been killed by the Romans for his activities. No miracles of course, people don't need miracles. Look at some of the preachers out there today.

Since: Sep 12

Arlington, TX

#63881 Dec 7, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, typical creotard...much much more evil than any atheist ever thought of being.
Hitler was an atheist. He was also a self loathing half Jew

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63882 Dec 7, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Hitler was an atheist. He was also a self loathing half Jew
No. First off the idea of being "half Jew" is false. Second he believed in his own version of Christianity. If you asked him what religion he was he would have said Christian or Catholic.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#63883 Dec 7, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Hitler was an atheist. He was also a self loathing half Jew
Hitler was a confessed Christian and he caused books about evolution and anti-religion to be banned and burned...look it up.

Hitler was a megalomaniac of the first order. He was also a speed (amphetamines) addict and certifiably crazy.

http://speccoll.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/...

Go to the above website for proof of what kind of books were black-listed by the regime.

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Since: Dec 12

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#63884 Dec 7, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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Hitler was a confessed Christian and he caused books about evolution and anti-religion to be banned and burned...look it up.
Hitler was a megalomaniac of the first order. He was also a speed (amphetamines) addict and certifiably crazy.
http://speccoll.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/...
Go to the above website for proof of what kind of books were black-listed by the regime.
Hit-ler was Catholic.

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Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#63885 Dec 7, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Arch has not gained any bird traits nor loose any dino traits, that appears to be what you refuse to suck up.
Arch has a wishbone just like a theropod, feathers like a theropod, three digits like a theropod, has a moveable thighbone like a dinosaur and a beak like a dino and a plethora of other species.
Arch does not have a reversed hallux like a bird, hollow bones like a bird, a moveable thighbone like a bird, a wishbone like a modern bird, nor a beak like a modern bird.
So I will ask again seeing as you evos have bombed out with every try,eg hollow bones what traits are intermedicate or a mix that suggests arch is anything more than a variety of dinosaur?
Evos are you still wiping egg off their faces around their hollow boned dinosaurs?
You have to be a poe.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63886 Dec 7, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You have to be a poe.
Aah yes. That rant of Maz. I was trying to lead her up to the question about whether Archaeopteryx had hollow bones, it did by the way< and she went off on one of her Fruit Loops rants.

Of course she denied Archaeopteryx having hollow bones since according to her it is a dinosaur, and that's all.

Transitional species make for fun debates with creatards. Just let them pick which species that the animal "definitely" is and let the fun begin.

Since: Sep 12

Arlington, TX

#63887 Dec 7, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler was a confessed Christian and he caused books about evolution and anti-religion to be banned and burned...look it up.

Hitler was a megalomaniac of the first order. He was also a speed (amphetamines) addict and certifiably crazy.

http://speccoll.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/...

Go to the above website for proof of what kind of books were black-listed by the regime.
I was wrong I was using second hand info from something I heard years ago I'm sorry.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63888 Dec 7, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I was wrong I was using second hand info from something I heard years ago I'm sorry.
Rats! Bat Foy is not a creatard. A creatard believes he is right no matter what evidence is given to him.

I am so disappointed. Now we can't tease him mercilessly.

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