Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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#63749
Dec 7, 2012
 
AustinHook wrote:
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My goat ate up all our rosebushes this summer. Tongue seems normal.
You are lucky, my goats are partial to eating my clothes
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Dec 7, 2012
 
AustinHook wrote:
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I attended a two day seminar with Malidoma Some, from Upper Volta (Burkina Faso) who grew up with dual traditions, Jesuit and witch doctor. He convinced us of how we have an innate attraction to ritual, and it does have a good side, in that it facilitates community building, and can bring a sense of piece if done gently.
Sure, ritual can be a potent force for evil, but for good as well if kept in balance. I would not be too hasty to deprecate it's value.
Heck, I still put up a Christmas tree! I appreciate the spirit of Christmas, but it one of the more natural aspects of Christian culture, an altruistic ritual that has little fear of damnation associated with it.

Most rituals are like apes symbolically mounting each other to show dominance. Most people are very maladjusted because they have so much programmed into them and so little conscious understanding to go with it. What people should fundamentally understand is that Christianity IS indoctrination into the agenda of the State. That pretty much comes down to obeying the law and breeding yourself into a state of dependence on the good will of the herd.

What you think of the State is another matter. In the U.S., we seem to have put the agenda of an aristocracy over the needs or our own lives. Because of that, I blame the Church for failing to see to spirituality in favor of the aristocracy's personal ambitions.

Generally, we could talk about politics and why we spend so much on our military, etc, but that's not the topic here. Visit a few non-American comedy websites and see what our image has become. We tend to be referred to as "murikans", fat and hard-headed pigs, shoving our way into the middle of everything. It's true! We don't care about our long term health. We have absolutely have no interest in understanding others. We've become herd animals who never question our masters. I won't have anything to do with that culture.(Or lack thereof!)

From an evolutionary standpoint, perhaps that is the natural order of things. Until we consume every last scrap of fossil fuels and other natural resources, we only risk allowing others to take them first to dominate us. There will be no stability until those resources are gone for good and humanity is back to living within the planet's means.

Personally, I'd rather have some of the comforts of civilization, but not if it means being a 'murikan!

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#63751
Dec 7, 2012
 
ChristineM wrote:
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Following my conversation with Kitten I spent some of yesterday (while I spent 10 hours travelling to and from a 25 minute meeting) looking at the analogue side of modern computing.
From what I now understand they are more simulation specific than calculation specific (and therefore less flexible) than their digital counterpart but considerably faster at performing their dedicated simulations.
Looked at your links. Neato. I was feeling sorry for Analog SF magazine the other day, stuck with an name like that, while supposedly speculating on the future, when everything seems to have gone digital. Nice to see it still has a niche. I suppose with a gate array approach to analogue, perhaps the implementations can be made less specific. Of course, these days a lot of chips are mixed analogue/digital already.

Participated in converting a large analogue seismic processing system into digital in the mid-60's, near Paris, France. Fresh from learning digital I was amazed, actually, at how much had been done with analogue. As an early teenager I had played with amateur radio. It was fun, but I found the cookbook approach quite a tease, and yearned to know the math that would give me real insight. Then digital swept me away. Took MIT's online 6002X course last spring. It was a great and fun bridge between all I learned by myself in analogue electronics as a kid to all I learned by myself later.

OOps, getting off evolutionary topic here. Maybe time to start discussing genetic algorithms or something... Thanks for the interlude!

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#63752
Dec 7, 2012
 
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Personally, I'd rather have some of the comforts of civilization, but not if it means being a 'murikan!
Ran into that slang in a conversation by two French girls when I first moved to Paris. They were a bit embarrassed that I caught the phrase. I really didn't mind, Yankee was a deprecating slang once too.
(For context I was a New Yorker, left the USA in 1965 at 22, and never came back, but eventually settled in Canada)

I have lived in enough places around the world to know both the great marvels and the great faults of many a country. It's easy to flip from one view to the opposite of one's own country. Fight the worst, and strive for the best, and have fun doing it! Eh?
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Dec 7, 2012
 
AustinHook wrote:
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Ran into that slang in a conversation by two French girls when I first moved to Paris. They were a bit embarrassed that I caught the phrase. I really didn't mind, Yankee was a deprecating slang once too.
(For context I was a New Yorker, left the USA in 1965 at 22, and never came back, but eventually settled in Canada)
I have lived in enough places around the world to know both the great marvels and the great faults of many a country. It's easy to flip from one view to the opposite of one's own country. Fight the worst, and strive for the best, and have fun doing it! Eh?
Been there, done that! I spent a couple of years in the Med and around the Persian Gulf. I never got to see Paris but I did spend a lot of time in Toulon and other southern cities.

I'm a suburbanite. I've never spent much time in the really big cities like New York or Paris. The people tend to be rude to outsiders and from what I've observed, those same people have a hard time traveling to foreign places because they kind of expect people to do things their way. All Americans have that label. I guess it's more about geography than anything. Actually, my mother is Canadian so I've visited Montreal, Toronto and St. Johns a lot when I was younger.

Nowadays, I'm not very interested in travel. There's plenty of jobs if you're willing to live in a compound in the Middle East, but I've put down roots and don't think I could sell my house too easy anyway.

It's not easy to be an American abroad nowadays. People tend to lecture you like you have a personal batphone to the president to call and have him fix things. We really get our leashes yanked in every direction, so that "murikan" image is a bit harsh. Still, our freedom is in our own hands. Too bad most of us have allowed ourselves to become cliquish @holes as teenagers, never to look back and free ourselves from such trivial conflicts. The real conflicts are the last things on our minds.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
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Another word for moderate is enabler, the two are identical concepts. Why should we allow those with the delusions that some imaginary being talks to them and influences the physical world, which they believe because of it lacking any demonstrable evidence, suffer longer? They need treatment for their delusion.
They let anyone post on topics--even delusional, twisted and distorted people like you.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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Tell the creationists, not us.
All the creationists I know-already know that. No need to tell the sane and rational, what they already know.
That type of "all knowing" merely mouthy, delusional, patheTic type deviant behavior crap is for sociopathic, totally inept, incompetent LOSERTICS.
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#63757
Dec 7, 2012
 
Cybele wrote:
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LMAO! where did you get that theory about giraffes? Darwin from the 1800? LOL.
How does our DNA change? You have an explanation? or sleepiness is your excuse?
The symptoms of delusional sociopathic PSYYCHO-nutcases--no one else in the world could possibly have a clue (let alone OTHER opinions) about the processes of evolution.

People like that shouldn't be allowed to empty bobblehead, lemming herd pack, roam freely, without monitoring.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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If it proves detrimental, the organism(s) die(s) before the trait spreads to most of the population. There, over simplified, but genetics 101.
No they don't.

Look around you--in the REAL world.

And please stay away from children in Science classrooms.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You are awfully close to it. And we don't "worship" Darwin. We appreciate how he explained a difficult idea so clearly. If you don't like the theory of evolution attack the science of it. When we attack the "science" that Hovind uses it is easy to see that he has no real science backing his views.
Derwins incomplete theory is outdated now.

Science has jumped by leaps and bounds, and still has leaps and bounds to go.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yet, you pull out the exact same fallacies he does, almost word for word, oh wait, it's Eric Hovind doing the talking mostly now, because senior got in trouble.
Also, you are a YEC, stop pretending otherwise, you liars are really just annoying now, because there are so many of you christian freaks trying to pretend to be non-creationist morons then pulling out the creatard canards and fallacies already addressed by people a million times. Your own inability to learn betrays your lie.
STUNTED intellectual growth-SEE: being MIRED in duh "pwanet of duh apes" theory.

Talk about idiocracy and ignorance.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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... and now we see this canard for the billionth time. Can't you morons ever learn? Anything? Anything at all that's actually ... oh I don't know, real?
Like the historical writings of early civilizations, transcribed and passed along thousands of years, from antiquity?

World Civ History is a cool subject too.
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#63762
Dec 7, 2012
 
Bat Foy wrote:
I'm not sure how to word this question but ill give it a shot.
How does nature select 2 species to breed? Just guessing here but if say species A can evolve into an infinite amount of other species would there ever be a point they could all have produced a alphabet soup?
Look at some of the egomaniacal posts on here-excellent examples of species re-parroting nothing BUT bullchit alphabet soup LOL.
(uh and even funnier--re-parroting it like they actually "thought" up the theories or something lol)

The Idiocracy of squarwk and reparroted alphabet soup lol.
Idiotsabound

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Dec 7, 2012
 
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Aah, idiot it is then.
Sum kin mawrry theyuh dawrgs now too--cuz opotus sayz so!!
TheIndependentMa jority

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#63764
Dec 7, 2012
 
Bat Foy wrote:
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I always thought of thinking in odds and statistics was more a mathematical thing.
That makes sense at least!!

See:Independents: WE are MANY!
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Dec 7, 2012
 
Cybele wrote:
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Honestly I prefer genetically engineered fruits. But from time to time I buy organic foods.
I'm talking about HUMAN genetic engineering or even cloning. I actually support stem cell research.
Interesting stuff, if ethics keep it in proper scope, because the one thing science has NOT been able to master, is the alteration of time. What already is an existance, already is, therefore any attempts of pristine original recreation, is theoretically, genetically impossible.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
thewordofme wrote:
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The Bible has the following either implied or stated as fact:
Our universe was spoken into existence out of nothing…by a floaty thing in the sky
Plants were created before the sun was.
The first man was created from dust.
The first woman was made from a rib taken from the first man.(we both have the same number of ribs however)
They are in a garden that has ‘magic’ fruit, to make people live forever and be smart.
There is a talking snake.(did it have legs I wonder)
Incest was used to jump start the population.
There are Angels…good and bad…and demons.
There are giants and Unicorns.
There are witches, wizards and magicians.
There are bad Angels that rape human women.
Human pregnancy/reproduction is possible with no human father.(just like some of the other gods around the time of Jesus).
People can rise from the grave and walk the streets.(Zombies anyone?)
People live as long as 900+ years.
Dinosaurs and people lived together.
God commits genocide by flooding the earth and only saving 8 humans.(apparently the thought of just starting completely over never occurred to Him).
God makes the Sun stay in the sky so a human battle can be completed.
There is a talking, burning bush somewhere in the mountains of the Sinai desert.
There is a talking donkey.
People (other than Moses) can change wooden staffs into live snakes.
A man sees Jesus in a beam of light…and all of Jesus’ thoughts and wishes are downloaded to him.(Hollywood Blvd. anybody?).
There is a man that lives inside a fish for 3 days.
Insects are said to have 4 legs (would a God REALLY be this stupid??).
The cure for leprosy is dove blood sprinkled on the toes (REALLY??)
If you position mating livestock in front of a stripped stick, they will produce stripped offspring.
Today we can actually disprove most of these Biblical assertions/stories.
Yeah, christianity is real logical bud
Check out some of the latest, MUCH more modern secular books some time--

For example, oh..one something like- the History of Israel and Judea.

Been a lot warring over there-just like some of those ancient books say---for a LONG long time!!

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#63767
Dec 7, 2012
 
So do you want to debate or is nonsense all you have?

Of course it is impossible for a creationist to win a scientific debate about evolution.
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#63768
Dec 7, 2012
 
Bat Foy wrote:
Kitten I brought pi 3.14159265359
how golden of you lol
TheIndependentMa jority

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#63769
Dec 7, 2012
 
Subduction Zone wrote:
So do you want to debate or is nonsense all you have?
Of course it is impossible for a creationist to win a scientific debate about evolution.
Ever hear of the
'duhm as rocks" theory?

Telling ya---there's something to it lol

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