Evolution vs. Creation

[thewordofme]

AustinHook wrote:

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Maybe we should settle for more and better airtight compartmentalization. I notice that in daily life it works pretty well; if only the politicians would leave it alone.

Good point bud.

Do you think the creationists can be persuaded to say off of school boards and completely out of politics?

We could register all the confessed YEC's and keep them under control

[thewordofme]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> What does one man or a few set of people going to speak against the existence of the most high.
Don't waste your time on that, because no one has ever succeeded doing that.

Ah my friend you don't understand the pure joy I receive from exposing the lie of religion to the believer.

And it IS all a big lie.

[Charles Idemi]

thewordofme wrote:

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Ah my friend you don't understand the pure joy I receive from exposing the lie of religion to the believer.
And it IS all a big lie.

No cause for alarm my friend. Let us just watch and see who the liar will be.
As i have said earlier, many before you, have done more than that, but today, they are the soil of the earth. No one can beat God.

[Bat Foy]

thewordofme wrote:

<quoted text>Just didn't explain myself well...not to get upset my friend.

The country was set up so that religion did not control law and policy making. There was no national religion, like Sweden for instance.

In America many sects existed, but none were "officially" endorsed.

From what I understand the only reason many of the founders espoused religion was they could get killed if they disagreed too much. Religion is like that you know.

They still want it to be that way if you listen to the redneck creotards that clog many reply pages on some websites.

Religion is dangerous no matter which one you are talking about

I live in Texas and have never heard anyone say anything about killing people for not believing in God. This may be because I tend to not hang out with morons.
Abolishing religion would be just as wrong as abolishing science.
Even if it weren't what would you say should be done with the creationists of the world? Should they be fined, jailed, executed?

[Cybele]

Double Fine wrote:

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Plagiarism? Shame on you!
This bit was stolen from here:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_computers_us...
Another giveaway that you have no academic background. No scholar worth his salt will EVER plagiarise the work of ANYONE. I would even go as far as referencing the writer of a song when repeating a lyric.
So, we now know that you do not know the answer to the question and that you had to look it up.
Now my question is this: Do you believe the writer of the piece you plagiarised? How do you know that he/her/they have any kind of clue how a computer works?
Let me answer: You can reference it. You can go on wikipedia, you can go on howstuffworks, or talk to computer engineers and you can verify them as source.
My point: In being adamant that we need to understand every discipline involved in the Theory of Evolution, yet you use the computer while not being able to understandstand its inner workings, makes you a rather stupid-looking hypocrite

what did I plagiarize when I simply said you can simply find an answer on Google! You are really dumb. You evos just like to insult because when asked for REAL evidence you got none. You just resort to ad homs. How sad.

[Bat Foy]

tony1003 wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry, no to this one. You are referring to learnt berhaviour, not some propensity to sin that is there at birth. Those abused are more likely to abuse because they are socialised into that behavioural pattern. Likewise with "becoming your parents". Addiction is more complex - it would seem that there are some with a greater likelihood to having addictive personalities, just as there are some with mental illness who become dangerous. However, if this was something universal, it would apply to all, not just to a limited number. Don't think religion has anything to do with it, but since I'm not a psychiatrist, not qualified to judge.

My point is our children see what we do and they imitate us. Not always 100% of the time but they do. My kids will know about God and already pray and seek him out. My son wants to be a mechanic because I was my daughter wants to be an accountant because my wife is. They both want to have 2 kids and go to college because my wife and I did. I understand that life may get in the way of their dreams an goals but they follow me as I lead them.

[Subduction Zone]

Bat Foy wrote:

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I live in Texas and have never heard anyone say anything about killing people for not believing in God. This may be because I tend to not hang out with morons.
Abolishing religion would be just as wrong as abolishing science.
Even if it weren't what would you say should be done with the creationists of the world? Should they be fined, jailed, executed?

No one has really proposed banning religion. Religion has its place, in churches, not in schools.

When religion starts to sneak into schools, and it is your own religion it is very easy to let it slide. The best way to deal with it is to change it up a bit in your head. How would you feel if students were singing songs to Allah in your neighborhood schools? How would you feel if your children were taught such songs?

It is best to leave schools religiously neutral. Of course if your religion has a crazy belief, such as the world being flat, that it is six to ten thousand years old, that there is creative falling, or any other sort of crazy belief not supported by science then don't be too surprised if that part of your religion is not honored. And the same applies to social rules.

If you believe that homosexuals, girls that have sex out of marriage, or even kids that sass their parents should be stoned, those beliefs will not be respected either. So, the schools will even intervene when your religion gets too crazy socially.

If you believe that sort of nonsense that needs to be kept from school yards too.

[Cybele]

The Dude wrote:

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O HAI! You were on page 2967! As you can see it's **quite a while** into the thread...
Here's 330347 papers demonstrating evolution.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
But don't worry. Anything that has the word "delete" in it really proves JEWMAGIC and anything that doesn't is all part of the evil worldwide atheist Darwinist evolutionist scientist Liberal socialist Communist Nazi baby-eating anti-Christian God-hating Satan-worshiping Illuminati conspiracy so therefore really proves JEWMAGIC!
Any questions?

Don't confuse REAL SCIENCE with EVOLUTION. That site doesn't have anything about evolution, or missing links, or fossil records. Or did I not look hard enough?

[Kawalski]

Bat Foy wrote:

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I live in Texas and have never heard anyone say anything about killing people for not believing in God. This may be because I tend to not hang out with morons.
Abolishing religion would be just as wrong as abolishing science.
Even if it weren't what would you say should be done with the creationists of the world? Should they be fined, jailed, executed?

DE-LIGHTENED :):)

[Cybele]

Double Fine wrote:

It started here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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Here was your reply to it:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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You clearly did not recognise that the poster was ignorant about the subject matter.
The issue was settled, of course, by our dear Madrone:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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Except someone proved you wrong. I never claimed ANYTHING whether cells reproduce sexually or not. You're too slow when it comes to humor.

AustinHook wrote:

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There is a kind of sexuality in some single celled species where they stick together and exchange genetic material. More classic sexuality is seen pretty soon in some small multi-celled organisms, like hydra, which reproduce in sexual and non-sexual ways. BTW, hydra have a little advantage over the rest of us, since they are immortal (barring accidents). I guess if we were like them, religion would have less appeal
Even smaller is the diatom, a single celled organism which reproduces both ways. It reproduces by division and also can split out into 4 sperms or an egg.
The smallest organisms to reproduce ONLY sexually are probably some of the worms. It's not area of my expertise, but I did, as a child, keep some planaria (flatworms), and it was possible to cut then lengthwise and end up with two healthy worms after they regenerated.

[Subduction Zone]

Cybele wrote:

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Don't confuse REAL SCIENCE with EVOLUTION. That site doesn't have anything about evolution, or missing links, or fossil records. Or did I not look hard enough?

Missing links? Why would it have anything to do about a misused creationist term. And also that is a medical journal. The evolution that they are testing is being done in the laboratory.

Cybele, I see that you keep repeating the claim that there is no "real evidence" for evolution. You could not be more wrong.

Scientific evidence is evidence that is undeniable. There are literally mountains of scientific evidence that support the theory of evolution. There is no scientific evidence that supports creationism.

[KittenKoder]

Bat Foy wrote:

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I live in Texas and have never heard anyone say anything about killing people for not believing in God. This may be because I tend to not hang out with morons.
Abolishing religion would be just as wrong as abolishing science.
Even if it weren't what would you say should be done with the creationists of the world? Should they be fined, jailed, executed?

Judging by your wording, you have never been out of Texas either, probably not even out of your own town. What's sad is that in spite of you having access to the internet, you are just now learning that there are other people who are way more intelligent than you are. I hoe you are no older than 18, because if you are, then i am disappoint, son.

[KittenKoder]

Bat Foy wrote:

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My point is our children see what we do and they imitate us. Not always 100% of the time but they do. My kids will know about God and already pray and seek him out. My son wants to be a mechanic because I was my daughter wants to be an accountant because my wife is. They both want to have 2 kids and go to college because my wife and I did. I understand that life may get in the way of their dreams an goals but they follow me as I lead them.

Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.

[KittenKoder]

FREE SERVANT wrote:

The human brain is intricate in its fashioning and it is associated with the timing and functioning and correlating of much of the great complexity of the body. We as humans are apart from other creatures and much of our refinements are related to our brain and hand coordination. We think and feel with our hands. The hands contribute to the mental processes of thought and feeling.

It uses too much to process even basic concepts, because that is the best an evolutionary system unguided would produce, it's inefficient, you think it's efficient because you have no idea, none, no clue how it works, but those of us who do know how it works wonder more along the lines of why some more intelligent species didn't come by and correct it's many flaws. All optical illusions are flaws in our brains and eyes. All audio and physical "tricks" we use to play around with as children are flaws in our brains and nervous system, as well as many in other various systems. Your brain only processes sensory information once every 3 milliseconds. Our computers can produce entire cityscapes in that time now, and make the images actually accurate.

Now, in a few posts you will eventually try to counter someone else's point with the exact opposite claim of "we are flawed because of ..." and thus your cycle of hypocrisy and idiocy continues. Why do you continue to be an idiot? More importantly, why do you enjoy it?

Also, we are animals, but for you I'd wager mineral instead at this point.

[Knightkore]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.

Proverbs 22:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

{So wouldn't pass your knowledge and wisdom onto them?}

[KittenKoder]

Knightmare wrote:

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Proverbs 22:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
{So wouldn't pass your knowledge and wisdom onto them?}

What you, and your bible, are doing and saying are not the same as teaching. There you all go again, changing the meanings of words to suite you. I know, let's call rape "rough housing" now as well, same thing you are doing with your indoctrination, just giving it a new label so you can pretend it isn't what it is.

[Bat Foy]

KittenKoder wrote:

<quoted text>Judging by your wording, you have never been out of Texas either, probably not even out of your own town. What's sad is that in spite of you having access to the internet, you are just now learning that there are other people who are way more intelligent than you are. I hoe you are no older than 18, because if you are, then i am disappoint, son.

That's the way a atheist answers a question. I have lived in Texas most of my life however I've been to 4 other countries and 49 states.
Please stop acting like you're some kind of genius none of the crap you talk about was your idea. You just stand on their shoulders trying to understand with the hope you don't get buried by the rambling of someone better than you. You're right I'm not the smartest man alive but once again rather than answering a question you don't have an answer to you fling insults it speaks volumes to how smart you really are.

[Knightkore]

KittenKoder wrote:

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What you, and your bible, are doing and saying are not the same as teaching. There you all go again, changing the meanings of words to suite you. I know, let's call rape "rough housing" now as well, same thing you are doing with your indoctrination, just giving it a new label so you can pretend it isn't what it is.

Umm...okay so when you teach a child how to use potty...you give them the choice to go in the diaper or anywhere they please right?

Or when you teach a child not to cross the road before looking but you give them the choice to go ahead and run in front of traffic...you know because you don't want to indoctrinate them...

Seriously? I and the other guy ain't the ones re-defining and re-labeling words and actions...

But hey...whatever...

[Knightkore]

Lets see...

I choose 2+2=4.5 today...

Can I build your house Kitten?

With my CHOICE of math...should come out interesting...

[Bat Foy]

KittenKoder wrote:

<quoted text>Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.

How I raise my kids is not your concern I will raise my kids to be honest and respectful obedient to God and trustworthy. If that bothers you I do believe you can kiss my southern raised butt. I don't tell my kids to be like me they choose to.
As for what atheist parents teach their kids how can you know what every atheist tells their kids? You cant this is just another retarded assumption on your part. Good job making your point stupid.
I can now see why Christian are so rude to you people. The thought my ideas are stupid because they aren't yours is an immature way to see things.