Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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anonymous

Franklin, PA

#63753 Dec 7, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
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Ran into that slang in a conversation by two French girls when I first moved to Paris. They were a bit embarrassed that I caught the phrase. I really didn't mind, Yankee was a deprecating slang once too.
(For context I was a New Yorker, left the USA in 1965 at 22, and never came back, but eventually settled in Canada)
I have lived in enough places around the world to know both the great marvels and the great faults of many a country. It's easy to flip from one view to the opposite of one's own country. Fight the worst, and strive for the best, and have fun doing it! Eh?
Been there, done that! I spent a couple of years in the Med and around the Persian Gulf. I never got to see Paris but I did spend a lot of time in Toulon and other southern cities.

I'm a suburbanite. I've never spent much time in the really big cities like New York or Paris. The people tend to be rude to outsiders and from what I've observed, those same people have a hard time traveling to foreign places because they kind of expect people to do things their way. All Americans have that label. I guess it's more about geography than anything. Actually, my mother is Canadian so I've visited Montreal, Toronto and St. Johns a lot when I was younger.

Nowadays, I'm not very interested in travel. There's plenty of jobs if you're willing to live in a compound in the Middle East, but I've put down roots and don't think I could sell my house too easy anyway.

It's not easy to be an American abroad nowadays. People tend to lecture you like you have a personal batphone to the president to call and have him fix things. We really get our leashes yanked in every direction, so that "murikan" image is a bit harsh. Still, our freedom is in our own hands. Too bad most of us have allowed ourselves to become cliquish @holes as teenagers, never to look back and free ourselves from such trivial conflicts. The real conflicts are the last things on our minds.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63754 Dec 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Another word for moderate is enabler, the two are identical concepts. Why should we allow those with the delusions that some imaginary being talks to them and influences the physical world, which they believe because of it lacking any demonstrable evidence, suffer longer? They need treatment for their delusion.
They let anyone post on topics--even delusional, twisted and distorted people like you.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63756 Dec 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Tell the creationists, not us.
All the creationists I know-already know that. No need to tell the sane and rational, what they already know.
That type of "all knowing" merely mouthy, delusional, patheTic type deviant behavior crap is for sociopathic, totally inept, incompetent LOSERTICS.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63757 Dec 7, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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LMAO! where did you get that theory about giraffes? Darwin from the 1800? LOL.
How does our DNA change? You have an explanation? or sleepiness is your excuse?
The symptoms of delusional sociopathic PSYYCHO-nutcases--no one else in the world could possibly have a clue (let alone OTHER opinions) about the processes of evolution.

People like that shouldn't be allowed to empty bobblehead, lemming herd pack, roam freely, without monitoring.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63758 Dec 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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If it proves detrimental, the organism(s) die(s) before the trait spreads to most of the population. There, over simplified, but genetics 101.
No they don't.

Look around you--in the REAL world.

And please stay away from children in Science classrooms.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63759 Dec 7, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You are awfully close to it. And we don't "worship" Darwin. We appreciate how he explained a difficult idea so clearly. If you don't like the theory of evolution attack the science of it. When we attack the "science" that Hovind uses it is easy to see that he has no real science backing his views.
Derwins incomplete theory is outdated now.

Science has jumped by leaps and bounds, and still has leaps and bounds to go.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63760 Dec 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yet, you pull out the exact same fallacies he does, almost word for word, oh wait, it's Eric Hovind doing the talking mostly now, because senior got in trouble.
Also, you are a YEC, stop pretending otherwise, you liars are really just annoying now, because there are so many of you christian freaks trying to pretend to be non-creationist morons then pulling out the creatard canards and fallacies already addressed by people a million times. Your own inability to learn betrays your lie.
STUNTED intellectual growth-SEE: being MIRED in duh "pwanet of duh apes" theory.

Talk about idiocracy and ignorance.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63761 Dec 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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... and now we see this canard for the billionth time. Can't you morons ever learn? Anything? Anything at all that's actually ... oh I don't know, real?
Like the historical writings of early civilizations, transcribed and passed along thousands of years, from antiquity?

World Civ History is a cool subject too.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63762 Dec 7, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
I'm not sure how to word this question but ill give it a shot.
How does nature select 2 species to breed? Just guessing here but if say species A can evolve into an infinite amount of other species would there ever be a point they could all have produced a alphabet soup?
Look at some of the egomaniacal posts on here-excellent examples of species re-parroting nothing BUT bullchit alphabet soup LOL.
(uh and even funnier--re-parroting it like they actually "thought" up the theories or something lol)

The Idiocracy of squarwk and reparroted alphabet soup lol.
Idiotsabound

Somerset, KY

#63763 Dec 7, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Aah, idiot it is then.
Sum kin mawrry theyuh dawrgs now too--cuz opotus sayz so!!
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63764 Dec 7, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I always thought of thinking in odds and statistics was more a mathematical thing.
That makes sense at least!!

See:Independents: WE are MANY!
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63765 Dec 7, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Honestly I prefer genetically engineered fruits. But from time to time I buy organic foods.
I'm talking about HUMAN genetic engineering or even cloning. I actually support stem cell research.
Interesting stuff, if ethics keep it in proper scope, because the one thing science has NOT been able to master, is the alteration of time. What already is an existance, already is, therefore any attempts of pristine original recreation, is theoretically, genetically impossible.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63766 Dec 7, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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The Bible has the following either implied or stated as fact:
Our universe was spoken into existence out of nothing…by a floaty thing in the sky
Plants were created before the sun was.
The first man was created from dust.
The first woman was made from a rib taken from the first man.(we both have the same number of ribs however)
They are in a garden that has ‘magic’ fruit, to make people live forever and be smart.
There is a talking snake.(did it have legs I wonder)
Incest was used to jump start the population.
There are Angels…good and bad…and demons.
There are giants and Unicorns.
There are witches, wizards and magicians.
There are bad Angels that rape human women.
Human pregnancy/reproduction is possible with no human father.(just like some of the other gods around the time of Jesus).
People can rise from the grave and walk the streets.(Zombies anyone?)
People live as long as 900+ years.
Dinosaurs and people lived together.
God commits genocide by flooding the earth and only saving 8 humans.(apparently the thought of just starting completely over never occurred to Him).
God makes the Sun stay in the sky so a human battle can be completed.
There is a talking, burning bush somewhere in the mountains of the Sinai desert.
There is a talking donkey.
People (other than Moses) can change wooden staffs into live snakes.
A man sees Jesus in a beam of light…and all of Jesus’ thoughts and wishes are downloaded to him.(Hollywood Blvd. anybody?).
There is a man that lives inside a fish for 3 days.
Insects are said to have 4 legs (would a God REALLY be this stupid??).
The cure for leprosy is dove blood sprinkled on the toes (REALLY??)
If you position mating livestock in front of a stripped stick, they will produce stripped offspring.
Today we can actually disprove most of these Biblical assertions/stories.
Yeah, christianity is real logical bud
Check out some of the latest, MUCH more modern secular books some time--

For example, oh..one something like- the History of Israel and Judea.

Been a lot warring over there-just like some of those ancient books say---for a LONG long time!!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63767 Dec 7, 2012
So do you want to debate or is nonsense all you have?

Of course it is impossible for a creationist to win a scientific debate about evolution.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63768 Dec 7, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
Kitten I brought pi 3.14159265359
how golden of you lol
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#63769 Dec 7, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
So do you want to debate or is nonsense all you have?
Of course it is impossible for a creationist to win a scientific debate about evolution.
Ever hear of the
'duhm as rocks" theory?

Telling ya---there's something to it lol

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63770 Dec 7, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Ever hear of the
'duhm as rocks" theory?
Telling ya---there's something to it lol
Great, another Idiot for Jesus is spamming the board.

Why is it illegal to teach creationism in school? Because it is only religious hokum. And people like Inde prove that claim every day.
bohart

Newport, TN

#63772 Dec 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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... and your delusion is so deep you can't even consider just admitting something other than your nonsense book of myths is correct, or your head will go splody. You should pick up a different book once in a while, and one that written about that one book does not count as a different book, nor does picking up one of the dozen different "translations" count as different books. A different book would be something like First Grade Biology, and that would be a serious improvement in your knowledge base. You'd still be an idiot, but you'd be one tiny step closer to actually being ... educated. A whole 0.0000000000000153% percent.
Back she bitch! back putrid bar wench,back Jezebel, back to the pus filled boil on Satans ass from whence ye spewed forth to infect mankind. Return to the dark nether world where thy faith in life giving goo illuminates the pit with a sickly greenish glow creating a night light for various imps and demons which make up the audience for the cascading bile erupting from the wound under your nose.Learn more from thy mentor Srewtape before once again rising from Satans rectum to the light, and the world of man.

Since: Sep 12

United States

#63773 Dec 7, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>It is one thing for an individual, or individuals to have a personal faith about the beginning of the world. I don't happen to agree with it for it flies in the face of scientific methodolgy to try to prove its message. I see no problem for christianity in parts of the bible being wrong/inaccurate, given its origins. As an historian, I certainly do not see it as a history book, it is a book of faith.

It is a totally different matter to take creationism into schools as if it was an established scientific fact. Creationists suggest it is a perfectly viable alternative to evolution and should be taught in science classrooms. It is not. It is a religious-based interpretation, not one based on correct scientific methodology. At the heart of it is the conclusion to which facts are ignored or manipulated to prove God did it. You cannot prove faith, you either believe it or you do not. No one can prove the existence of a deity, nor the lack of one. The only possible place it might have in the classroom would be in a religious education lesson, not in a science one.
While I don't disagree totally and I am in no way saying we shouldn't teach evolution nor am I saying don't teach creation.
When you have kids grade school to jr high who have been raised with parents who believe the creation story. Than a teacher tells them "no you your parents and anyone else who believes in creation is stupid we evolved" the kid is going to break one side or the other and it can drive a rift between parent and child or child to teacher. Rifts of mistrust can kill a relationship.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63774 Dec 7, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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While I don't disagree totally and I am in no way saying we shouldn't teach evolution nor am I saying don't teach creation.
When you have kids grade school to jr high who have been raised with parents who believe the creation story. Than a teacher tells them "no you your parents and anyone else who believes in creation is stupid we evolved" the kid is going to break one side or the other and it can drive a rift between parent and child or child to teacher. Rifts of mistrust can kill a relationship.
They should not say the parents are "stupid". They should say the parents are wrong.

What do you send your children to school for in the first place? For an education of course. Now if a parent is illiterate and cannot speak proper English does that mean you don't teach the child how to write and speak properly? Or do you simply say "We wouldn't want to drive a rift between Johnny and his parents so we are keeping him out of English class"?

It is a teacher's JOB to correct students. Part of the reason we participate in this debate is that we can show that Evolution happened. Evolution is the right answer.

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