Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168963 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#63660 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Aw, I have a new fan. How sweet. Autographs are every other Tuesday at the rec center, just below the gold statue of Darwin, be there, or be square, you little button, you.
I would love your fruit.

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#63661 Dec 6, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>There are so many possible changes that it is not really possible for the same path to be taken.

I don't think the changes they were trying for was to improve the fruit flies.
Kitten is correct the paper I read they chose fruit flies because they could watch several generations at the same time and the breeding cycle was very rapid.
I would assume any genetic change in a fruit fly would take much longer for a more complex life form such as man?

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#63662 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Take it easy on the LOL I'm really trying to understand this stuff.
To be honest I've been reading and reading trying to get it all for the last three weeks and I gotta tell ya faith as complicated as it can get is a cake walk in comparison.
I'd rather read the science of spiderman. Who wants to wait another million years to evolve when we have the technology to alter our genes? Seriously I don't care where we came from.

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#63663 Dec 6, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Honestly I prefer genetically engineered fruits. But from time to time I buy organic foods.
I'm talking about HUMAN genetic engineering or even cloning. I actually support stem cell research.
Um, all corn is genetically engineered, so are all bananas, all cattle, and a lot of other stuff that would not exist if we hadn't engineered it. I don't remember the whole list off hand, but it's not a short one.

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#63664 Dec 6, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Then why do giraffes bend over to eat grass? The shorter ones will survive just as well. And where did giraffes evolve from?
Giraffes are browsers, not grazers. They subsist almost exclusively on the leaves of the acacia tree. The extra height lets 'em reach food that other browsers can't.
Where did you get the idea that they ate grass?

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Evolution is true.....

#63665 Dec 6, 2012
liygc wrote:
evolution theory that man came from a mud puddle so to speak = pure laughable crap
creation= logical
The Bible has the following either implied or stated as fact:

Our universe was spoken into existence out of nothing…by a floaty thing in the sky

Plants were created before the sun was.

The first man was created from dust.

The first woman was made from a rib taken from the first man.(we both have the same number of ribs however)

They are in a garden that has ‘magic’ fruit, to make people live forever and be smart.

There is a talking snake.(did it have legs I wonder)

Incest was used to jump start the population.

There are Angels…good and bad…and demons.

There are giants and Unicorns.

There are witches, wizards and magicians.

There are bad Angels that rape human women.

Human pregnancy/reproduction is possible with no human father.(just like some of the other gods around the time of Jesus).

People can rise from the grave and walk the streets.(Zombies anyone?)

People live as long as 900+ years.

Dinosaurs and people lived together.

God commits genocide by flooding the earth and only saving 8 humans.(apparently the thought of just starting completely over never occurred to Him).

God makes the Sun stay in the sky so a human battle can be completed.

There is a talking, burning bush somewhere in the mountains of the Sinai desert.

There is a talking donkey.

People (other than Moses) can change wooden staffs into live snakes.

A man sees Jesus in a beam of light…and all of Jesus’ thoughts and wishes are downloaded to him.(Hollywood Blvd. anybody?).

There is a man that lives inside a fish for 3 days.

Insects are said to have 4 legs (would a God REALLY be this stupid??).

The cure for leprosy is dove blood sprinkled on the toes (REALLY??)

If you position mating livestock in front of a stripped stick, they will produce stripped offspring.

Today we can actually disprove most of these Biblical assertions/stories.

Yeah, christianity is real logical bud

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#63666 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Kitten is correct the paper I read they chose fruit flies because they could watch several generations at the same time and the breeding cycle was very rapid.
I would assume any genetic change in a fruit fly would take much longer for a more complex life form such as man?
I can't recall the reasons they change slower, but I'd wager a lot has to do with a lack of natural pressures. They pretty much own the waste fruit disposal niche, no predators other than spiders, which are stuck to things and can't fly. There may be other factors, but I'm unfamiliar with those.

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#63667 Dec 6, 2012
Makesure100 wrote:
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Where did you get your conscience? The ability to choose? You give credit to an unknown theory or purpose. Try to fathom a rolex watch emerging from stone dust to exactness of time. You are a fool. It's inexcusable to deny creation.
Even if one accepted the silliness of that long-debunked argument - how do you know you're worshipping the right watchmaker?

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#63668 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um, all corn is genetically engineered, so are all bananas, all cattle, and a lot of other stuff that would not exist if we hadn't engineered it. I don't remember the whole list off hand, but it's not a short one.
Yes I know. They inject those hormones in animals.

Ever heard of Spider-Goat?

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#63669 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Not sure if this made since or not
Evolution is fact.......
But their is no way to know how when why the reactions will take place how it will react or even if it will change anything?
Which would make evolution more a necessity to survive than a matter of time?
Not with 100% certainty, but that's simply due to our limited understanding of the processes in the entire universe, not evolution, we understand that well enough that if we knew all the influences outside of it, we'd be able to predict future phylogeny the way we have predicted the creation of future atomic elements, or how we predict the orbit of the moon, things like that. Not that they're connected, but that there are a lot of tiny influences we just don't have algorithms to help us map yet.

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#63670 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Alright but how does it come to be that 2 of a compatible species would have come to be at the same time?(What are the odds really?)
The changes within any given generation are infinitesimal - but given enough generations, environmental pressure, separation of groups, etc., one does eventually wind up with a different species. This resultant species will be unable to breed with the original, which may still survive.

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#63671 Dec 6, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Giraffes are browsers, not grazers. They subsist almost exclusively on the leaves of the acacia tree. The extra height lets 'em reach food that other browsers can't.
Where did you get the idea that they ate grass?
You've never seen them eat grass? not only that, they also drink water.

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#63672 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Odds do not describe what happens at all. You are still thinking like a creatard, stop that and you will actually have time to learn instead of asking random stupid questions on a forum full of random people.
Gently, Kit. I think he may actually be trying to learn.

That'd make him honest - just maybe a bit misled.

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#63673 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Not with 100% certainty, but that's simply due to our limited understanding of the processes in the entire universe, not evolution, we understand that well enough that if we knew all the influences outside of it, we'd be able to predict future phylogeny the way we have predicted the creation of future atomic elements, or how we predict the orbit of the moon, things like that. Not that they're connected, but that there are a lot of tiny influences we just don't have algorithms to help us map yet.
Would human DNA evolve slower due to our technology and our ability to change our environment since the day man made fire we have changed the world to suite us?

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#63674 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I always thought of thinking in odds and statistics was more a mathematical thing.
When the numbers get big enough (and in bio they can get HUGE), all science is subject to math.

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#63675 Dec 6, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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You've never seen them eat grass? not only that, they also drink water.
No, I've never seen them graze.
Of course they drink water - and an awkward process it is.

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#63676 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Would human DNA evolve slower due to our technology and our ability to change our environment since the day man made fire we have changed the world to suite us?
Do you really believe we will evolve into another species millions of years from now? The only thing that would make that possible is through the use of technology. And it can happen in our lifetime if we allow it.

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#63677 Dec 6, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Even if one accepted the silliness of that long-debunked argument - how do you know you're worshipping the right watchmaker?
Search. Easily if you are teachable, humble.

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#63678 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Would human DNA evolve slower due to our technology and our ability to change our environment since the day man made fire we have changed the world to suite us?
Actually, no, it seems like it is for the same reason watching birds evolve from dinosaurs would have you calling the birds dinosaurs still. We do have photographic evidence of some change, barely noticeable. It's a slow process, one that takes a lot of generations, that's generations not years. Human generations generally align with decades, so tens of thousands of years before you'd actually see a visible trait. But, we have seen some new physiological traits evolve in recent years, one being AIDS resistance, a very beneficial trait if it propagates, which it will because we are now under what is best described as self selection, or artificial selection. We are choosing each other based on personal preference, it's why many of our features have smoothed out actually, and why the "mixed" traits of certain genetic lines, African dark skinned to European light skinned for example, are becoming so prevalent, lots of people see the combination as beautiful, so the gene mixes are propagating as well. See, evolution isn't just mutation, it's also the mixing of the genes, and why multi-parentage became the most common form of breeding, just not binary like us because the binary system is ... well ... very flawed. Who knows what the future really holds, it's the trip there that's the fun part of it all anyway.

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#63679 Dec 6, 2012
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>Do you really believe we will evolve into another species millions of years from now? The only thing that would make that possible is through the use of technology. And it can happen in our lifetime if we allow it.
No I believe God made man from dirt like the bible says. I would like to understand evolution though why they think the way they do. If they want to know about faith and the bible and aren't just going to call me stupid when I answer they are more than welcome to ask. I do believe things adapt to environment and such so they can survive but a dinosaur giving birth to a chicken not so much. I do find the whole thing fascinating.

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