Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Kawalski

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Bat Foy wrote:
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I live in Texas and have never heard anyone say anything about killing people for not believing in God. This may be because I tend to not hang out with morons.
Abolishing religion would be just as wrong as abolishing science.
Even if it weren't what would you say should be done with the creationists of the world? Should they be fined, jailed, executed?
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Dec 6, 2012
 
Double Fine wrote:
It started here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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Here was your reply to it:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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You clearly did not recognise that the poster was ignorant about the subject matter.
The issue was settled, of course, by our dear Madrone:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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Except someone proved you wrong. I never claimed ANYTHING whether cells reproduce sexually or not. You're too slow when it comes to humor.
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There is a kind of sexuality in some single celled species where they stick together and exchange genetic material. More classic sexuality is seen pretty soon in some small multi-celled organisms, like hydra, which reproduce in sexual and non-sexual ways. BTW, hydra have a little advantage over the rest of us, since they are immortal (barring accidents). I guess if we were like them, religion would have less appeal
Even smaller is the diatom, a single celled organism which reproduces both ways. It reproduces by division and also can split out into 4 sperms or an egg.
The smallest organisms to reproduce ONLY sexually are probably some of the worms. It's not area of my expertise, but I did, as a child, keep some planaria (flatworms), and it was possible to cut then lengthwise and end up with two healthy worms after they regenerated.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
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Don't confuse REAL SCIENCE with EVOLUTION. That site doesn't have anything about evolution, or missing links, or fossil records. Or did I not look hard enough?
Missing links? Why would it have anything to do about a misused creationist term. And also that is a medical journal. The evolution that they are testing is being done in the laboratory.

Cybele, I see that you keep repeating the claim that there is no "real evidence" for evolution. You could not be more wrong.

Scientific evidence is evidence that is undeniable. There are literally mountains of scientific evidence that support the theory of evolution. There is no scientific evidence that supports creationism.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Bat Foy wrote:
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I live in Texas and have never heard anyone say anything about killing people for not believing in God. This may be because I tend to not hang out with morons.
Abolishing religion would be just as wrong as abolishing science.
Even if it weren't what would you say should be done with the creationists of the world? Should they be fined, jailed, executed?
Judging by your wording, you have never been out of Texas either, probably not even out of your own town. What's sad is that in spite of you having access to the internet, you are just now learning that there are other people who are way more intelligent than you are. I hoe you are no older than 18, because if you are, then i am disappoint, son.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
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My point is our children see what we do and they imitate us. Not always 100% of the time but they do. My kids will know about God and already pray and seek him out. My son wants to be a mechanic because I was my daughter wants to be an accountant because my wife is. They both want to have 2 kids and go to college because my wife and I did. I understand that life may get in the way of their dreams an goals but they follow me as I lead them.
Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The human brain is intricate in its fashioning and it is associated with the timing and functioning and correlating of much of the great complexity of the body. We as humans are apart from other creatures and much of our refinements are related to our brain and hand coordination. We think and feel with our hands. The hands contribute to the mental processes of thought and feeling.
It uses too much to process even basic concepts, because that is the best an evolutionary system unguided would produce, it's inefficient, you think it's efficient because you have no idea, none, no clue how it works, but those of us who do know how it works wonder more along the lines of why some more intelligent species didn't come by and correct it's many flaws. All optical illusions are flaws in our brains and eyes. All audio and physical "tricks" we use to play around with as children are flaws in our brains and nervous system, as well as many in other various systems. Your brain only processes sensory information once every 3 milliseconds. Our computers can produce entire cityscapes in that time now, and make the images actually accurate.

Now, in a few posts you will eventually try to counter someone else's point with the exact opposite claim of "we are flawed because of ..." and thus your cycle of hypocrisy and idiocy continues. Why do you continue to be an idiot? More importantly, why do you enjoy it?

Also, we are animals, but for you I'd wager mineral instead at this point.

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Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.
Proverbs 22:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

{So wouldn't pass your knowledge and wisdom onto them?}

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Knightmare wrote:
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Proverbs 22:6
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6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
{So wouldn't pass your knowledge and wisdom onto them?}
What you, and your bible, are doing and saying are not the same as teaching. There you all go again, changing the meanings of words to suite you. I know, let's call rape "rough housing" now as well, same thing you are doing with your indoctrination, just giving it a new label so you can pretend it isn't what it is.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Judging by your wording, you have never been out of Texas either, probably not even out of your own town. What's sad is that in spite of you having access to the internet, you are just now learning that there are other people who are way more intelligent than you are. I hoe you are no older than 18, because if you are, then i am disappoint, son.
That's the way a atheist answers a question. I have lived in Texas most of my life however I've been to 4 other countries and 49 states.
Please stop acting like you're some kind of genius none of the crap you talk about was your idea. You just stand on their shoulders trying to understand with the hope you don't get buried by the rambling of someone better than you. You're right I'm not the smartest man alive but once again rather than answering a question you don't have an answer to you fling insults it speaks volumes to how smart you really are.

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What you, and your bible, are doing and saying are not the same as teaching. There you all go again, changing the meanings of words to suite you. I know, let's call rape "rough housing" now as well, same thing you are doing with your indoctrination, just giving it a new label so you can pretend it isn't what it is.
Umm...okay so when you teach a child how to use potty...you give them the choice to go in the diaper or anywhere they please right?

Or when you teach a child not to cross the road before looking but you give them the choice to go ahead and run in front of traffic...you know because you don't want to indoctrinate them...

Seriously? I and the other guy ain't the ones re-defining and re-labeling words and actions...

But hey...whatever...

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Lets see...

I choose 2+2=4.5 today...

Can I build your house Kitten?

With my CHOICE of math...should come out interesting...

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KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.
How I raise my kids is not your concern I will raise my kids to be honest and respectful obedient to God and trustworthy. If that bothers you I do believe you can kiss my southern raised butt. I don't tell my kids to be like me they choose to.
As for what atheist parents teach their kids how can you know what every atheist tells their kids? You cant this is just another retarded assumption on your part. Good job making your point stupid.
I can now see why Christian are so rude to you people. The thought my ideas are stupid because they aren't yours is an immature way to see things.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Bat Foy wrote:
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That's the way a atheist answers a question. I have lived in Texas most of my life however I've been to 4 other countries and 49 states.
Please stop acting like you're some kind of genius none of the crap you talk about was your idea. You just stand on their shoulders trying to understand with the hope you don't get buried by the rambling of someone better than you. You're right I'm not the smartest man alive but once again rather than answering a question you don't have an answer to you fling insults it speaks volumes to how smart you really are.
Then start talking and acting like you actually know something instead of repeating garbage that we have already told you is garbage, then I'll start caring again.

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KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>It uses too much to process even basic concepts, because that is the best an evolutionary system unguided would produce, it's inefficient, you think it's efficient because you have no idea, none, no clue how it works, but those of us who do know how it works wonder more along the lines of why some more intelligent species didn't come by and correct it's many flaws. All optical illusions are flaws in our brains and eyes. All audio and physical "tricks" we use to play around with as children are flaws in our brains and nervous system, as well as many in other various systems. Your brain only processes sensory information once every 3 milliseconds. Our computers can produce entire cityscapes in that time now, and make the images actually accurate.

Now, in a few posts you will eventually try to counter someone else's point with the exact opposite claim of "we are flawed because of ..." and thus your cycle of hypocrisy and idiocy continues. Why do you continue to be an idiot? More importantly, why do you enjoy it?

Also, we are animals, but for you I'd wager mineral instead at this point.
Haha she acts like a computer likes think she processes information like a computer but she still gets mad when you talk about God.

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Knightmare wrote:
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Umm...okay so when you teach a child how to use potty...you give them the choice to go in the diaper or anywhere they please right?
Or when you teach a child not to cross the road before looking but you give them the choice to go ahead and run in front of traffic...you know because you don't want to indoctrinate them...
Seriously? I and the other guy ain't the ones re-defining and re-labeling words and actions...
But hey...whatever...
you know that's not what I was talking about, yet you cannot stop twisting things to make your lies seem "good" to you, you know you're wrong, you know you indoctrinate children, but your indoctrination prevents you from breaking the cycle, that's how scams perpetuate. You are redefining, that which you copied did not say "teach," it said train, you don't train humans, you train other animals, you teach humans. The two words mean something completely different, teaching is explaining things, training is behavioral condition and nothing else. Twist and turn, your lies are lies, accept it. Maybe one day you can break the indoctrination that prevents you from using your head for more than a hat-rack.
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Dec 6, 2012
 
Bat Foy wrote:
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Wow you're a angry little fella aren't you smile some.
There was no anger there at all. You may have perceived some of those adjectives as harsh and vitriolic. Me on the other hand only presented accurate descriptions.

Fundies often make me smile as they are commonly unintentionally funny.
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Dec 6, 2012
 
evolution theory that man came from a mud puddle so to speak = pure laughable crap
creation= logical
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Dec 6, 2012
 
Bat Foy wrote:
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OH MY THANK YOU I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I'VE BEEN SO BLIND!!!
Pffffft hahahahahahahaha come off it like evolution isn't the religion of evolution. You hold faith your science is correct you spend time trying to find the truth you study the words and works of your greatest minds all you're missing is a little prayer.
Not missing it at all. Tried it. It turned out to be a waste of time.(shrug) And if you knew anything about science at all you would understand that "faith" is a superfluous word in science, as science deals with testable evidence. So as much as you quite naive little people would love to believe, science is not a religion. That little plastic thing you're typing on proves that.
Bat Foy wrote:
Than you say "how can anyone believe in God". I find it easier to believe "God dun it" than the universe farted and here we are.
Actually I *can* understand why people believe in a God. But what you find necessary I do not. However all I was doing was pointing out why your baseless religious opinions are no more demonstrable than anyone else's. Apparently this disturbed you enough to engage in a bit of projection.
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The truth without eye witness accounts neither are provable beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Ah, the old "How do YOU know? Where you THERE?!?" argument. There's a reason why most court judges facepalm every time they hear it. Facts however are actually demonstrable in scientific terms by the usage of concepts such as biology, chemistry and physics. Ergo to argue against them is to argue against reality and claim that reality isn't real and rules of physics do not matter because magic. Or we are all trapped in the Matrix, which would also be as equally valid.

Philosophically interesting? Perhaps. Relevant to reality? Well, not so far.(shrug)

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liygc wrote:
evolution theory that man came from a mud puddle so to speak = pure laughable crap
creation= logical
Go back to Texas, you nut job.
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Dec 6, 2012
 
Bat Foy wrote:
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Everyone has a form of faith in something even if it is faith in themselves.
OF COURSE! Just because you think that way EVERYONE must think like you do, even if they don't admit/know it!
Bat Foy wrote:
Evos have faith that the science behind evolution is correct.
Uh, well actually, since it WORKS, "faith" is not necessary. You just have faith that something "must be wrong" with it, because you don't understand it and don't want to because you're not sure how it jibes with your baseless religious beliefs.
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The theory of evolution wasn't the brain child of just one person.
You're right. It's the brainchild of literally THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of scientists across the world.
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So you have to believe the people who have been finding the evidence took no short cuts or didn't miss anything.
Yeah, all those people all made the exact same mistakes and missed all the exact same things and made all the exact same shortcuts. Just forget about that whole peer-review thing.

Because ya know, maybe God really did do it with MAGIC.
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Science rejects the supernatural in all forms. So logic says it wouldn't matter if God came down in a blaze of glory science would deny it.
Actually you're wrong. Science does NOT reject the "supernatural" in any way, shape or form. You can invoke anything you want - Gods, fairies, leprechauns, ghosts, cosmic space sheep - ANYTHING. All science requires is that whatever you propose passes the scientific method. If it passes the scientific method it means it make valid scientific predictions which can be tested.

Unfortunately the alternative you propose (Jewmagic) just doesn't pass the scientific method.

That's NOT our problem.(shrug)

But boy, will you fundies moan about it...

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