Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

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Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.
Proverbs 22:6
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6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

{So wouldn't pass your knowledge and wisdom onto them?}

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Knightmare wrote:
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Proverbs 22:6
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6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
{So wouldn't pass your knowledge and wisdom onto them?}
What you, and your bible, are doing and saying are not the same as teaching. There you all go again, changing the meanings of words to suite you. I know, let's call rape "rough housing" now as well, same thing you are doing with your indoctrination, just giving it a new label so you can pretend it isn't what it is.

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KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Judging by your wording, you have never been out of Texas either, probably not even out of your own town. What's sad is that in spite of you having access to the internet, you are just now learning that there are other people who are way more intelligent than you are. I hoe you are no older than 18, because if you are, then i am disappoint, son.
That's the way a atheist answers a question. I have lived in Texas most of my life however I've been to 4 other countries and 49 states.
Please stop acting like you're some kind of genius none of the crap you talk about was your idea. You just stand on their shoulders trying to understand with the hope you don't get buried by the rambling of someone better than you. You're right I'm not the smartest man alive but once again rather than answering a question you don't have an answer to you fling insults it speaks volumes to how smart you really are.

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What you, and your bible, are doing and saying are not the same as teaching. There you all go again, changing the meanings of words to suite you. I know, let's call rape "rough housing" now as well, same thing you are doing with your indoctrination, just giving it a new label so you can pretend it isn't what it is.
Umm...okay so when you teach a child how to use potty...you give them the choice to go in the diaper or anywhere they please right?

Or when you teach a child not to cross the road before looking but you give them the choice to go ahead and run in front of traffic...you know because you don't want to indoctrinate them...

Seriously? I and the other guy ain't the ones re-defining and re-labeling words and actions...

But hey...whatever...

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Lets see...

I choose 2+2=4.5 today...

Can I build your house Kitten?

With my CHOICE of math...should come out interesting...

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KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.
How I raise my kids is not your concern I will raise my kids to be honest and respectful obedient to God and trustworthy. If that bothers you I do believe you can kiss my southern raised butt. I don't tell my kids to be like me they choose to.
As for what atheist parents teach their kids how can you know what every atheist tells their kids? You cant this is just another retarded assumption on your part. Good job making your point stupid.
I can now see why Christian are so rude to you people. The thought my ideas are stupid because they aren't yours is an immature way to see things.

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That's the way a atheist answers a question. I have lived in Texas most of my life however I've been to 4 other countries and 49 states.
Please stop acting like you're some kind of genius none of the crap you talk about was your idea. You just stand on their shoulders trying to understand with the hope you don't get buried by the rambling of someone better than you. You're right I'm not the smartest man alive but once again rather than answering a question you don't have an answer to you fling insults it speaks volumes to how smart you really are.
Then start talking and acting like you actually know something instead of repeating garbage that we have already told you is garbage, then I'll start caring again.

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KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>It uses too much to process even basic concepts, because that is the best an evolutionary system unguided would produce, it's inefficient, you think it's efficient because you have no idea, none, no clue how it works, but those of us who do know how it works wonder more along the lines of why some more intelligent species didn't come by and correct it's many flaws. All optical illusions are flaws in our brains and eyes. All audio and physical "tricks" we use to play around with as children are flaws in our brains and nervous system, as well as many in other various systems. Your brain only processes sensory information once every 3 milliseconds. Our computers can produce entire cityscapes in that time now, and make the images actually accurate.

Now, in a few posts you will eventually try to counter someone else's point with the exact opposite claim of "we are flawed because of ..." and thus your cycle of hypocrisy and idiocy continues. Why do you continue to be an idiot? More importantly, why do you enjoy it?

Also, we are animals, but for you I'd wager mineral instead at this point.
Haha she acts like a computer likes think she processes information like a computer but she still gets mad when you talk about God.

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Umm...okay so when you teach a child how to use potty...you give them the choice to go in the diaper or anywhere they please right?
Or when you teach a child not to cross the road before looking but you give them the choice to go ahead and run in front of traffic...you know because you don't want to indoctrinate them...
Seriously? I and the other guy ain't the ones re-defining and re-labeling words and actions...
But hey...whatever...
you know that's not what I was talking about, yet you cannot stop twisting things to make your lies seem "good" to you, you know you're wrong, you know you indoctrinate children, but your indoctrination prevents you from breaking the cycle, that's how scams perpetuate. You are redefining, that which you copied did not say "teach," it said train, you don't train humans, you train other animals, you teach humans. The two words mean something completely different, teaching is explaining things, training is behavioral condition and nothing else. Twist and turn, your lies are lies, accept it. Maybe one day you can break the indoctrination that prevents you from using your head for more than a hat-rack.
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Bat Foy wrote:
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Wow you're a angry little fella aren't you smile some.
There was no anger there at all. You may have perceived some of those adjectives as harsh and vitriolic. Me on the other hand only presented accurate descriptions.

Fundies often make me smile as they are commonly unintentionally funny.
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evolution theory that man came from a mud puddle so to speak = pure laughable crap
creation= logical
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Bat Foy wrote:
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OH MY THANK YOU I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I'VE BEEN SO BLIND!!!
Pffffft hahahahahahahaha come off it like evolution isn't the religion of evolution. You hold faith your science is correct you spend time trying to find the truth you study the words and works of your greatest minds all you're missing is a little prayer.
Not missing it at all. Tried it. It turned out to be a waste of time.(shrug) And if you knew anything about science at all you would understand that "faith" is a superfluous word in science, as science deals with testable evidence. So as much as you quite naive little people would love to believe, science is not a religion. That little plastic thing you're typing on proves that.
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Than you say "how can anyone believe in God". I find it easier to believe "God dun it" than the universe farted and here we are.
Actually I *can* understand why people believe in a God. But what you find necessary I do not. However all I was doing was pointing out why your baseless religious opinions are no more demonstrable than anyone else's. Apparently this disturbed you enough to engage in a bit of projection.
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The truth without eye witness accounts neither are provable beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Ah, the old "How do YOU know? Where you THERE?!?" argument. There's a reason why most court judges facepalm every time they hear it. Facts however are actually demonstrable in scientific terms by the usage of concepts such as biology, chemistry and physics. Ergo to argue against them is to argue against reality and claim that reality isn't real and rules of physics do not matter because magic. Or we are all trapped in the Matrix, which would also be as equally valid.

Philosophically interesting? Perhaps. Relevant to reality? Well, not so far.(shrug)

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liygc wrote:
evolution theory that man came from a mud puddle so to speak = pure laughable crap
creation= logical
Go back to Texas, you nut job.
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Everyone has a form of faith in something even if it is faith in themselves.
OF COURSE! Just because you think that way EVERYONE must think like you do, even if they don't admit/know it!
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Evos have faith that the science behind evolution is correct.
Uh, well actually, since it WORKS, "faith" is not necessary. You just have faith that something "must be wrong" with it, because you don't understand it and don't want to because you're not sure how it jibes with your baseless religious beliefs.
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The theory of evolution wasn't the brain child of just one person.
You're right. It's the brainchild of literally THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of scientists across the world.
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So you have to believe the people who have been finding the evidence took no short cuts or didn't miss anything.
Yeah, all those people all made the exact same mistakes and missed all the exact same things and made all the exact same shortcuts. Just forget about that whole peer-review thing.

Because ya know, maybe God really did do it with MAGIC.
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Science rejects the supernatural in all forms. So logic says it wouldn't matter if God came down in a blaze of glory science would deny it.
Actually you're wrong. Science does NOT reject the "supernatural" in any way, shape or form. You can invoke anything you want - Gods, fairies, leprechauns, ghosts, cosmic space sheep - ANYTHING. All science requires is that whatever you propose passes the scientific method. If it passes the scientific method it means it make valid scientific predictions which can be tested.

Unfortunately the alternative you propose (Jewmagic) just doesn't pass the scientific method.

That's NOT our problem.(shrug)

But boy, will you fundies moan about it...
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FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Mankind has dominion over ALL other creatures on earth because we were created that way.
Actually we're probably behind things like insects, viruses and bacteria. For example if we're dumb enough to start a nuclear war that wipes out most life on the planet, it's those that stand the best chance of surviving.
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Bat Foy wrote:
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I'm not on any side. I believe in God. As for evolution I believe if a species is to survive it has to happen. However this huge thing about how all life comes from a pool of goo in a prehistoric ocean and all life is just floating about with no aim like in a breeze. I just can't buy it.
The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis.

However for all you know abio (the science version) COULD be how Goddidit. And you're rejecting His Creation because you personally don't buy it.

And besides, it also doesn't say that's how it was done in this book which also says the Earth is flat.
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Ill debate God, faith , history. I do try to not argue science as I don't fully understand the ins and outs of evolution.
Yeah, we noticed. Don't worry, neither does any other anti-evolutionist.
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Burn and abandon the constitution.
However if we're going to do that you'll lose the other 9 of your bill of rights. Established by Christians
What, you mean the same Christians who supported the Divine Right of Kings?

For Millenia?

Uhuh.

Although creationists would LOVE to burn and abandon the US Constitution. After all, that's what the Wedge Document is all about.(shrug)
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Bat Foy wrote:
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Read the constitution and please tell me where it says separation of church and state. IT DOESN'T
The First Amendment. It's quite simple really.

And what's more, a bunch of cranky Christians requested clarification as to what it means, hence Jefferson wrote a letter explaining it in detail, which is where the original term "separation of church and state" comes from.

Of course you already know this, what being an American who knows about American history and all, right?

Right?
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Bat Foy wrote:
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Some light reading he may have been deist but that's even a maybe
http://www.wnd.com/2002/06/14285/
Just a thought - there's a reason why WND is called 'Wing Nut Daily'.

As far as the original Founders where, there were 2 Catholics, 6 from different Protestant sects, and pretty much the rest were Deists. Though Jefferson, while apparently Deism-like in his beliefs, would prefer to have been referred to as a "religion of one".
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So the constitution that was signed and we made our laws by shouldn't be read as it is but what he meant it to say or what you wish he meant it to say.
Nope, you're thinking of the Bible. The First Amendment explicitly guarantees religious freedom. However Government promoting any one religion over another would therefore (by definition) restrict the rights of all other religions. Hence the quicker way of saying things - separation of church and state.

Some Christians prefer to read it as: "Religious freedom - Christians only! p.s. this country was founded by Christians and anyone who don't like it can F-off outta America, Godless Commie heathen B*ST*RDS!!!:-( "

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