Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63516 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I live in Texas and have never heard anyone say anything about killing people for not believing in God. This may be because I tend to not hang out with morons.
Abolishing religion would be just as wrong as abolishing science.
Even if it weren't what would you say should be done with the creationists of the world? Should they be fined, jailed, executed?
No one has really proposed banning religion. Religion has its place, in churches, not in schools.

When religion starts to sneak into schools, and it is your own religion it is very easy to let it slide. The best way to deal with it is to change it up a bit in your head. How would you feel if students were singing songs to Allah in your neighborhood schools? How would you feel if your children were taught such songs?

It is best to leave schools religiously neutral. Of course if your religion has a crazy belief, such as the world being flat, that it is six to ten thousand years old, that there is creative falling, or any other sort of crazy belief not supported by science then don't be too surprised if that part of your religion is not honored. And the same applies to social rules.

If you believe that homosexuals, girls that have sex out of marriage, or even kids that sass their parents should be stoned, those beliefs will not be respected either. So, the schools will even intervene when your religion gets too crazy socially.

If you believe that sort of nonsense that needs to be kept from school yards too.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#63517 Dec 6, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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O HAI! You were on page 2967! As you can see it's **quite a while** into the thread...
Here's 330347 papers demonstrating evolution.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
But don't worry. Anything that has the word "delete" in it really proves JEWMAGIC and anything that doesn't is all part of the evil worldwide atheist Darwinist evolutionist scientist Liberal socialist Communist Nazi baby-eating anti-Christian God-hating Satan-worshiping Illuminati conspiracy so therefore really proves JEWMAGIC!
Any questions?
Don't confuse REAL SCIENCE with EVOLUTION. That site doesn't have anything about evolution, or missing links, or fossil records. Or did I not look hard enough?
Kawalski

Littleton, CO

#63518 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I live in Texas and have never heard anyone say anything about killing people for not believing in God. This may be because I tend to not hang out with morons.
Abolishing religion would be just as wrong as abolishing science.
Even if it weren't what would you say should be done with the creationists of the world? Should they be fined, jailed, executed?
DE-LIGHTENED :):)

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#63519 Dec 6, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
It started here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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Here was your reply to it:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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You clearly did not recognise that the poster was ignorant about the subject matter.
The issue was settled, of course, by our dear Madrone:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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Except someone proved you wrong. I never claimed ANYTHING whether cells reproduce sexually or not. You're too slow when it comes to humor.
AustinHook wrote:
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There is a kind of sexuality in some single celled species where they stick together and exchange genetic material. More classic sexuality is seen pretty soon in some small multi-celled organisms, like hydra, which reproduce in sexual and non-sexual ways. BTW, hydra have a little advantage over the rest of us, since they are immortal (barring accidents). I guess if we were like them, religion would have less appeal
Even smaller is the diatom, a single celled organism which reproduces both ways. It reproduces by division and also can split out into 4 sperms or an egg.
The smallest organisms to reproduce ONLY sexually are probably some of the worms. It's not area of my expertise, but I did, as a child, keep some planaria (flatworms), and it was possible to cut then lengthwise and end up with two healthy worms after they regenerated.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63520 Dec 6, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Don't confuse REAL SCIENCE with EVOLUTION. That site doesn't have anything about evolution, or missing links, or fossil records. Or did I not look hard enough?
Missing links? Why would it have anything to do about a misused creationist term. And also that is a medical journal. The evolution that they are testing is being done in the laboratory.

Cybele, I see that you keep repeating the claim that there is no "real evidence" for evolution. You could not be more wrong.

Scientific evidence is evidence that is undeniable. There are literally mountains of scientific evidence that support the theory of evolution. There is no scientific evidence that supports creationism.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63521 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I live in Texas and have never heard anyone say anything about killing people for not believing in God. This may be because I tend to not hang out with morons.
Abolishing religion would be just as wrong as abolishing science.
Even if it weren't what would you say should be done with the creationists of the world? Should they be fined, jailed, executed?
Judging by your wording, you have never been out of Texas either, probably not even out of your own town. What's sad is that in spite of you having access to the internet, you are just now learning that there are other people who are way more intelligent than you are. I hoe you are no older than 18, because if you are, then i am disappoint, son.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63522 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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My point is our children see what we do and they imitate us. Not always 100% of the time but they do. My kids will know about God and already pray and seek him out. My son wants to be a mechanic because I was my daughter wants to be an accountant because my wife is. They both want to have 2 kids and go to college because my wife and I did. I understand that life may get in the way of their dreams an goals but they follow me as I lead them.
Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63523 Dec 6, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The human brain is intricate in its fashioning and it is associated with the timing and functioning and correlating of much of the great complexity of the body. We as humans are apart from other creatures and much of our refinements are related to our brain and hand coordination. We think and feel with our hands. The hands contribute to the mental processes of thought and feeling.
It uses too much to process even basic concepts, because that is the best an evolutionary system unguided would produce, it's inefficient, you think it's efficient because you have no idea, none, no clue how it works, but those of us who do know how it works wonder more along the lines of why some more intelligent species didn't come by and correct it's many flaws. All optical illusions are flaws in our brains and eyes. All audio and physical "tricks" we use to play around with as children are flaws in our brains and nervous system, as well as many in other various systems. Your brain only processes sensory information once every 3 milliseconds. Our computers can produce entire cityscapes in that time now, and make the images actually accurate.

Now, in a few posts you will eventually try to counter someone else's point with the exact opposite claim of "we are flawed because of ..." and thus your cycle of hypocrisy and idiocy continues. Why do you continue to be an idiot? More importantly, why do you enjoy it?

Also, we are animals, but for you I'd wager mineral instead at this point.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Level 7

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#63524 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.
Proverbs 22:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

{So wouldn't pass your knowledge and wisdom onto them?}

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63525 Dec 6, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Proverbs 22:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
{So wouldn't pass your knowledge and wisdom onto them?}
What you, and your bible, are doing and saying are not the same as teaching. There you all go again, changing the meanings of words to suite you. I know, let's call rape "rough housing" now as well, same thing you are doing with your indoctrination, just giving it a new label so you can pretend it isn't what it is.

Since: Sep 12

United States

#63526 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Judging by your wording, you have never been out of Texas either, probably not even out of your own town. What's sad is that in spite of you having access to the internet, you are just now learning that there are other people who are way more intelligent than you are. I hoe you are no older than 18, because if you are, then i am disappoint, son.
That's the way a atheist answers a question. I have lived in Texas most of my life however I've been to 4 other countries and 49 states.
Please stop acting like you're some kind of genius none of the crap you talk about was your idea. You just stand on their shoulders trying to understand with the hope you don't get buried by the rambling of someone better than you. You're right I'm not the smartest man alive but once again rather than answering a question you don't have an answer to you fling insults it speaks volumes to how smart you really are.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Level 7

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#63527 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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What you, and your bible, are doing and saying are not the same as teaching. There you all go again, changing the meanings of words to suite you. I know, let's call rape "rough housing" now as well, same thing you are doing with your indoctrination, just giving it a new label so you can pretend it isn't what it is.
Umm...okay so when you teach a child how to use potty...you give them the choice to go in the diaper or anywhere they please right?

Or when you teach a child not to cross the road before looking but you give them the choice to go ahead and run in front of traffic...you know because you don't want to indoctrinate them...

Seriously? I and the other guy ain't the ones re-defining and re-labeling words and actions...

But hey...whatever...

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Level 7

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#63528 Dec 6, 2012
Lets see...

I choose 2+2=4.5 today...

Can I build your house Kitten?

With my CHOICE of math...should come out interesting...

Since: Sep 12

United States

#63529 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Son, I am really disappoint now. You indoctrinated them, when a child wants to be exactly like their parent, they are either too young to know anything, or you have successfully turned them into mindless drones. It's so rare for a child, given the proper education and freedoms, will ever choose to be like their parents, much less exactly like their parents, unless they are robots. They are clearly not thinking for themselves, they are just imitating you, and you have them thinking that's actually a good thing, no atheist would be caught dead telling a child that being like them is the "right" way to be, ever. That is purely a religious ideology, and technique of perpetuating the source of income.
How I raise my kids is not your concern I will raise my kids to be honest and respectful obedient to God and trustworthy. If that bothers you I do believe you can kiss my southern raised butt. I don't tell my kids to be like me they choose to.
As for what atheist parents teach their kids how can you know what every atheist tells their kids? You cant this is just another retarded assumption on your part. Good job making your point stupid.
I can now see why Christian are so rude to you people. The thought my ideas are stupid because they aren't yours is an immature way to see things.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63530 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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That's the way a atheist answers a question. I have lived in Texas most of my life however I've been to 4 other countries and 49 states.
Please stop acting like you're some kind of genius none of the crap you talk about was your idea. You just stand on their shoulders trying to understand with the hope you don't get buried by the rambling of someone better than you. You're right I'm not the smartest man alive but once again rather than answering a question you don't have an answer to you fling insults it speaks volumes to how smart you really are.
Then start talking and acting like you actually know something instead of repeating garbage that we have already told you is garbage, then I'll start caring again.

Since: Sep 12

United States

#63531 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>It uses too much to process even basic concepts, because that is the best an evolutionary system unguided would produce, it's inefficient, you think it's efficient because you have no idea, none, no clue how it works, but those of us who do know how it works wonder more along the lines of why some more intelligent species didn't come by and correct it's many flaws. All optical illusions are flaws in our brains and eyes. All audio and physical "tricks" we use to play around with as children are flaws in our brains and nervous system, as well as many in other various systems. Your brain only processes sensory information once every 3 milliseconds. Our computers can produce entire cityscapes in that time now, and make the images actually accurate.

Now, in a few posts you will eventually try to counter someone else's point with the exact opposite claim of "we are flawed because of ..." and thus your cycle of hypocrisy and idiocy continues. Why do you continue to be an idiot? More importantly, why do you enjoy it?

Also, we are animals, but for you I'd wager mineral instead at this point.
Haha she acts like a computer likes think she processes information like a computer but she still gets mad when you talk about God.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63532 Dec 6, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Umm...okay so when you teach a child how to use potty...you give them the choice to go in the diaper or anywhere they please right?
Or when you teach a child not to cross the road before looking but you give them the choice to go ahead and run in front of traffic...you know because you don't want to indoctrinate them...
Seriously? I and the other guy ain't the ones re-defining and re-labeling words and actions...
But hey...whatever...
you know that's not what I was talking about, yet you cannot stop twisting things to make your lies seem "good" to you, you know you're wrong, you know you indoctrinate children, but your indoctrination prevents you from breaking the cycle, that's how scams perpetuate. You are redefining, that which you copied did not say "teach," it said train, you don't train humans, you train other animals, you teach humans. The two words mean something completely different, teaching is explaining things, training is behavioral condition and nothing else. Twist and turn, your lies are lies, accept it. Maybe one day you can break the indoctrination that prevents you from using your head for more than a hat-rack.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#63533 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Wow you're a angry little fella aren't you smile some.
There was no anger there at all. You may have perceived some of those adjectives as harsh and vitriolic. Me on the other hand only presented accurate descriptions.

Fundies often make me smile as they are commonly unintentionally funny.
liygc

Seattle, WA

#63534 Dec 6, 2012
evolution theory that man came from a mud puddle so to speak = pure laughable crap
creation= logical
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#63535 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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OH MY THANK YOU I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I'VE BEEN SO BLIND!!!
Pffffft hahahahahahahaha come off it like evolution isn't the religion of evolution. You hold faith your science is correct you spend time trying to find the truth you study the words and works of your greatest minds all you're missing is a little prayer.
Not missing it at all. Tried it. It turned out to be a waste of time.(shrug) And if you knew anything about science at all you would understand that "faith" is a superfluous word in science, as science deals with testable evidence. So as much as you quite naive little people would love to believe, science is not a religion. That little plastic thing you're typing on proves that.
Bat Foy wrote:
Than you say "how can anyone believe in God". I find it easier to believe "God dun it" than the universe farted and here we are.
Actually I *can* understand why people believe in a God. But what you find necessary I do not. However all I was doing was pointing out why your baseless religious opinions are no more demonstrable than anyone else's. Apparently this disturbed you enough to engage in a bit of projection.
Bat Foy wrote:
The truth without eye witness accounts neither are provable beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Ah, the old "How do YOU know? Where you THERE?!?" argument. There's a reason why most court judges facepalm every time they hear it. Facts however are actually demonstrable in scientific terms by the usage of concepts such as biology, chemistry and physics. Ergo to argue against them is to argue against reality and claim that reality isn't real and rules of physics do not matter because magic. Or we are all trapped in the Matrix, which would also be as equally valid.

Philosophically interesting? Perhaps. Relevant to reality? Well, not so far.(shrug)

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