Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 171805 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#63476 Dec 5, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Opinions do differ(s).
And clear explanations of how one arrived at an opinion are the heart of of a very important thing that we can do fo each other. It builds group knowledge and consensus.

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Milk River, Canada

#63477 Dec 5, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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My mission in life is to turn religious believers into non-believers by showing them the ridiculousness of that belief and how ridicules the whole sky-daddy thing is. We are very far away from the bronze age now and we need to stand up and cast off the old boogeyman who some think controls human destiny somehow.
Maybe we should settle for more and better airtight compartmentalization. I notice that in daily life it works pretty well; if only the politicians would leave it alone.

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#63478 Dec 5, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks. Not the 290 mya whale fossils I am looking for, but interesting.
The first link is higly biased and short on important details, but the second link provided more detail.
So if creation geologist consider this to be evidence of a Worldwide flood, then they are pusing the date of that unsupported event back 2 million years if they are using these fossils. That may be the first time I have read about alledged flood evidence that didn't hit around the 4-6 thousand year range.
I tried getting the actual article from Geology that these two articles report on, but was unable to get access.
Only problem with that date using that is the humanoid species of that time would probably have had no chance of building an ark (lacked the skills/brainpower)- so either way the Noah story goes out of the window.

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#63479 Dec 5, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The human brain is intricate in its fashioning and it is associated with the timing and functioning and correlating of much of the great complexity of the body. We as humans are apart from other creatures and much of our refinements are related to our brain and hand coordination. We think and feel with our hands. The hands contribute to the mental processes of thought and feeling.
Wonder where you plagiarised this? Ain't yours, that's for sure. Did you know that plagiarism is theft and one of the commandments has something to say on that one?

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#63480 Dec 5, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>All people are born with a sinful or disobedient nature that must be brought into subjection. We inherit the sins of our fathers, its just the way it is, but the good news is we can overcome through faith in God and what he has done on the cross.
Original sin, the most mendacious of any of the Christian doctrines. That, and the churching of women I do not in any form accept. Just a historical way of frightening people into taking their baby into the church through infant baptism. Even some of the Non-conformist churches reject it, going for adult baptism. Try approaching religion with a critical mind, not one that parrots all doctrine as sacrosanct.

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#63481 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Everyone has a form of faith in something even if it is faith in themselves. Evos have faith that the science behind evolution is correct. The theory of evolution wasn't the brain child of just one person. So you have to believe the people who have been finding the evidence took no short cuts or didn't miss anything. Science rejects the supernatural in all forms. So logic says it wouldn't matter if God came down in a blaze of glory science would deny it.
That is the whole point of critical peer review. Scientists are always cynical of new findings until they are verified. Evolutionaries (i.e. the vast majority of people) do not have faith in science. They accept that true scientists use correct scientific methodology, unlike creationist "scientists" who set out with an agenda and try to make the facts fit their faith.

Of course elements are not yet discovered (or "missed" if you prefer the term). If we had all of them, there would be no need for further research. I have great concern when reference is made to belief and faith in relation to science. Science is not about some leap of faith, although I credit that insight and flashes of genius are vital to it. It is about "10% inspiration and 90% perspiration" (Einstein).

Mixing facts and faith do not make science. Faith requires belief in something that is unverifiable, the obvious example being a deity. Even Rousseau hedged his bets with his ambiguity of "if God did not exist, man would need to invent Him". Science seeks absolutes that are provable. It does not always find them, but year by year the "don't know" pool is shrinking.

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#63482 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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So kids who's parents are addicts aren't more likely to be also?
Kids of abusive parents aren't more likely to be abusive also?
The old saying you become your parents is never true?
Sorry, no to this one. You are referring to learnt berhaviour, not some propensity to sin that is there at birth. Those abused are more likely to abuse because they are socialised into that behavioural pattern. Likewise with "becoming your parents". Addiction is more complex - it would seem that there are some with a greater likelihood to having addictive personalities, just as there are some with mental illness who become dangerous. However, if this was something universal, it would apply to all, not just to a limited number. Don't think religion has anything to do with it, but since I'm not a psychiatrist, not qualified to judge.

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#63483 Dec 6, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Burn and abandon the constitution.
However if we're going to do that you'll lose the other 9 of your bill of rights. Established by Christians
"What must the United States do to rid ourselves of this blight (creationism) on humanity?"
Sorry, many of your Founding Fathers were deists at best, which is why they deliberately tried to ensure separation of church and state. Not totally successful in the first attempt, hence the need for the First Amendment to the US Constitution with its wording on religion.

Ironic, isn't it, that in the UK, the Church is part of the State, yet we seem to have a more balanced approach to issues of religion?

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#63484 Dec 6, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I am not preaching but clarifying.
Wow, humour this early in the day. Just spent five minutes cleaning off the tea I sprayed all over the keyboard. You couldn't clarify butter, let alone factual information. Still giggling over the irony of this statement.

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#63485 Dec 6, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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Well Charles since I don't believe any God exists of course I am not changing the "reality" of God. God is not a reality.
My mission in life is to turn religious believers into non-believers by showing them the ridiculousness of that belief and how ridicules the whole sky-daddy thing is. We are very far away from the bronze age now and we need to stand up and cast off the old boogeyman who some think controls human destiny somehow.
What does one man or a few set of people going to speak against the existence of the most high.
Don't waste your time on that, because no one has ever succeeded doing that.

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#63486 Dec 6, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
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And clear explanations of how one arrived at an opinion are the heart of of a very important thing that we can do fo each other. It builds group knowledge and consensus.
Ofcourse. You are welcome.

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#63487 Dec 6, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
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Wow, humour this early in the day. Just spent five minutes cleaning off the tea I sprayed all over the keyboard. You couldn't clarify butter, let alone factual information. Still giggling over the irony of this statement.
Likewise.

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Milk River, Canada

#63488 Dec 6, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
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Original sin, the most mendacious of any of the Christian doctrines.
Regardless of the religious origin of the original sin concept, I find it a great insight into human behaviour. It is a manifestation of the natural tension between selfish behaviour and altruistic behaviour. Baptism, unfortunately, does not seem to really fix the problem, as it is endlessly complex.

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Milk River, Canada

#63489 Dec 6, 2012
Re: explaining how one arrives a religious "faith"
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Ofcourse. You are welcome.
But I must have missed something, because I didn't read the explanation.
It is a different process from how one arrives at faith in a light switch, isn't it?

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#63490 Dec 6, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
Re: explaining how one arrives a religious "faith"
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But I must have missed something, because I didn't read the explanation.
It is a different process from how one arrives at faith in a light switch, isn't it?
Faith is not limited to religion alone, it is all embracing.
It is a belief in something not yet seen, like the discovery of hidden treasures and the likes. Faith goes with unstoppable determination.

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...when I look to the West

#63492 Dec 6, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Where did I say that I cells reproduce sexually? where?
Sorry it's not my fault you are slow
Your comment on the previous poster's stupid question lead us to believe so.

Don't worry. You have been well spotted as another idiot that knows little, but says much

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#63493 Dec 6, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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The computer uses binary codes, duh
So?

Explain to me, from the point where we power it, either from the wall or a laptop battery, to the point where you get a display on your screen you can interact with.

"Uses binary codes" is a very poor explanation.

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Milk River, Canada

#63494 Dec 6, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Faith is not limited to religion alone, it is all embracing.
It is a belief in something not yet seen, like the discovery of hidden treasures and the likes. Faith goes with unstoppable determination.
I don't quite get the "all embracing" part. At best, I gather that here we are only considering absolute faith, nothing less, even though weaker faith is also common.

OK, yes, mostly it has to do with expectation, I agree. For instance, if my light switch worked the last hundred times, I would have faith (confident expectation) that it would work one more time. That would be an example of belief in something not yet seen.(Doesn't matter that I saw it work before, I haven't seen the next attempt yet.)

Although I can think of a case where it is not a matter of expectation:
"I have faith that the sun rose at the correct time yesterday morning."
or "I have faith that Joshua's army killed every man, woman and child in Jericho except the relatives of the prostitutes." The first case perhaps being informed by my general faith in the science of the motions of the solar system, and the second case perhaps due to my trust in authority. Although perhaps it is still a matter of expectation, the one that I will not be disabused of that faith by evidence that might come to my attention later.

I can understand the association with determination, but not that determination, no matter how strongly motivated, is always unstoppable. That's only a romantic view of great determination. Such is another issue however.

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#63495 Dec 6, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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what is expidation?
A typo

*expedition

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#63496 Dec 6, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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What questions?
I am not lying because I can present evidence to suport my view and all you obviously can provide is evasion and questions.
Archeopteryx is not an intermediate anything because all it cited intermediate traits are actually theropod traits.
I have posted a link that shows speaks to it. That is the latest flavour of the month from your researchers. Would you like me to post it again?
Feathers are found on dinosaurs,TRex has a furcula and the dino furcula looks nothing like a bird wish bone.
None of you simpletons are even brave enough to comment on the FACTS above. Evasion is a key evo strategy.
What is intermediate? I see no intermediacy at all. I have demonstrated why arch is not intermediate and all you can do is gobble about your fictious posts that contain little more than babble.
As for whales. The fact is that the carbon dating on the bones gave inconsistent results possibly due to contamination. That is what the link said and what many references to these whale bones state. That is a fact. Researchers have no explantion as to how the whale bones got there. That is also a stated fact. Rising water levels and all sorts of things can throw dating off and if you were not such a boofhead you would know that. That is just one of the flaws in carbon dating.
The whale bones were found in a geological area dated to over 290mya. That is also a fact you have no and cannot refute. There are no dinosaur fosils in Michagan and evos suggest ice sheets stripped them away. Not that I'd expect you know anything like that. That is still a fact.
What's worse for evos is that you have a huge fraudulent misrepresentation that is presented to the public in your glossy whale evolution pictures. So you evos have NO evidence for your whale evolution theory other than fraudulent misrepresentation.
The facts have been supported by research and articles from your own evolutionists. If you deny them then state which ones you deny and I will repost the link and demonstrate what an ignorant boof you are. Yiu cannot escape the facts, one can only interpret them according to their underlying assumptions.
All you can do is be ignorant along with Subby and Kong, pose challenges and then run away.
Show me this mythical evidence of intermediacy in archeopteryx or shut up. God only knows how much you lot gobble on about it.
You are addressing one of my 6 points. You are not doing well.
Hi Maz, I see you are avoiding my questions, posted here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

But here it is again:

Want to talk science, Maz? Okay, let's talk science. Answer these questions, if you please:

1) You believe in gravity, right? Tell us, in a single sentence, why the Earth does not pull the Earth towards it? How is the moon able to stay in the sky?

2) When digging for dinosaurs, why do I have to go down into deeper strata to find them? Why will I not find a dinosaur in the same strata than say, a lion, elephant or oryx?

3) When we radiometrically test the strata, why do we get more severe decay the deeper we do down?

4) GPS has allowed us to confirm that the continents are moving - at about 1-2 inches per year. Africa and South America's coast lines has a matching geologic profile - that implies that they were together at one stage in time. At the current rate of motion, the continents would have split up 97 million years ago. Do you have any other explanation that fit the facts?

5) Also by using the wonders of GPS technology, we measure that Everest is getting higher every year. Please, give a brief explanation of why

6) Take distilled water, put it into the microwave for about 5 minutes and add a spoonful of sugar. What would happen?

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