Evolution vs. Creation

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FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#63414 Dec 5, 2012
60s chic wrote:
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That phrase never quite resonated with me. Man is sinful by nature. People are murdered everyday, children are abused and living in poverty. Greedy wealthy elitists thinking only of themselves and their precious money. That's some image.
All people are born with a sinful or disobedient nature that must be brought into subjection. We inherit the sins of our fathers, its just the way it is, but the good news is we can overcome through faith in God and what he has done on the cross.
Anonymous

Wakefield, UK

#63415 Dec 5, 2012
reality wrote:
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All of us has a common ancester that originated from either a comet or an asteriod hitting the Earth in just the right spot, certainly near shallow tidal water.
Nope! No "god" needed to make life here or anywhere else.
When we die, we rot, and are recycled back into the Earth.
There's no such thing as heaven. No hell either.
My family & I are very cool with all of this!
There's no evidence that life on earth came here from another solar system, and even if it did, it just pushes the question back, where did the original life come from. It's far more likely that life on earth evolved naturally here on earth, and does so on many other planets and moons in the universe, as soon as the earth cooled down life emerged, so it seems to be a simple process and most likely the universe is full of life, but intelligent life is another matter, it could be extremely rare, its not very effective when you look at it, unintelligent life forms are more resilient and will no doubtly last far longer, inteligence could be an evolutionary dead end

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#63416 Dec 5, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
<quoted text>Presented so starkly as that I just can't imagine where the faith comes from. It seems that it must be some weird interpretation of the word, but try as I may I can't figure any interpretation that makes sense.

In everyday life faith derives from proof, and doesn't float off on it's own, or have a standing even greater than the proof or evidence it relies upon. If faith were so essential for everyone, then they would have absolute faith in every new thought, and each time thereafter that they "thunk" it, and would never look to the proof. Then the world would be in a terrible mess.

Hmmmm... I wonder if the fact, that the world IS in a terrible mess, is telling us something?
Everyone has a form of faith in something even if it is faith in themselves. Evos have faith that the science behind evolution is correct. The theory of evolution wasn't the brain child of just one person. So you have to believe the people who have been finding the evidence took no short cuts or didn't miss anything. Science rejects the supernatural in all forms. So logic says it wouldn't matter if God came down in a blaze of glory science would deny it.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#63417 Dec 5, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Yup, most apes do.(shrug)
God is an ape.
You said so.
Oh, and you got no way outta this one since it was a creationist who pointed out we were all apes in the first place.
Nuts.
Mankind has dominion over ALL other creatures on earth because we were created that way.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#63418 Dec 5, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Can you be more coherent?
I guess not! Do you have a question?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#63419 Dec 5, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Goo - goo - goo!
Yes, well you can regress to those years of diaper dilemmas if you must. Just stop preaching at us!

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63420 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Everyone has a form of faith in something even if it is faith in themselves. Evos have faith that the science behind evolution is correct. The theory of evolution wasn't the brain child of just one person. So you have to believe the people who have been finding the evidence took no short cuts or didn't miss anything. Science rejects the supernatural in all forms. So logic says it wouldn't matter if God came down in a blaze of glory science would deny it.
No. I don't have any faith in anything that cannot be demonstrated, being gullible is not a good trait. Science doesn't accept or deny anything, and until you can comprehend what science is then you are a lost cause and I will simply begin mocking you like I do the rest.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#63421 Dec 5, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Mankind has dominion over ALL other creatures on earth because we were created that way.
Yet we need them, that's not being very high on the ladder. So long as we need all the other creatures on this Earth to survive, they hold the cards, we're just lucky they haven't evolved into inedible forms yet.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#63422 Dec 5, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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You need more faith in these screw ups you call evolutionaruy researchers than fat boy will ever need to have to believe in God.
You bow down to your evo reseachers and hold their hands through falsification after falsification and are still bowing. You evos are still wiping the egg off your faces from over 150 years of fraudulent claims for human knuckle walking ancestry that were falsified on the back of one single fossil, you numbnuts.
All the twoddle of having empirical evidence for junk dna that only a fool creo would not accept, is falsified. Now it is you evolutionists and all your gobble that have been proven to be the real misrepresentative idiots that rely on faith in these boofheads.
The above is a small demonstration that those that are atheist evolutionists and consider themselves 'not marginalized', have been proven to be boofheads many times. The theist evos can hold hands with the atheists seeing as they denounce the power of God and rely on the reasonings of man. They to now have egg on their faces.
Yours is a faith in mans reasonings and mans reasonings has been stumbling, changing and been falsified on a regular basis, whilst handing over data in support of creation to creos on a silver platter.
Knuckle walking is just bad speculation on the part of non-scientists and populist authors. Yes, some early anthropologists portrayed primitive humans as stooped and slack-jawed. It doesn't matter much because those images were from long ago.

Current techniques and representations are very much aware of the evidence that human ancestors developed bipedalism long before they developed their mental abilities.

Personally, I think it's those "made in God's image" folk who feel the need to consider intelligence to be the absolute line between humans and their animal ancestors. They tend to demand some cosmic event whereby we crossed over.

I hope nobody keeps any 1x4x9 proportioned monoliths they have discovered secret from us!
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#63423 Dec 5, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The human brain is intricate in its fashioning and it is associated with the timing and functioning and correlating of much of the great complexity of the body. We as humans are apart from other creatures and much of our refinements are related to our brain and hand coordination. We think and feel with our hands. The hands contribute to the mental processes of thought and feeling.
Gee! That sounds fancy!
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#63424 Dec 5, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Mankind has dominion over ALL other creatures on earth because we were created that way.
Until the fossil fuels run out, making our remaining reserves of metals and other materials of civilization unreachable or junkyard rust. Then we'll be lucky to find a good flint quarry where we can bang rocks together to make sharp things.

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#63425 Dec 5, 2012
Re: Faith derives from proof
Bat Foy wrote:
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Science rejects the supernatural in all forms. So logic says it wouldn't matter if God came down in a blaze of glory science would deny it.
Firstly science doesn't actually reject the supernatural. It really doesn't have any definition for the supernatural. It doesn't know when an event is supernatural or not. All it knows is that it is an event.

If God came down in a blaze of glory they wouldn't be out there denying that it happened, but they sure would be out there with there spectroscopes to understand more about it.

Science takes evidence and organizes it logically. Next thing we know we start calling it "natural" and drop the "super". What could be more supernatural than electricity or gravity, rainbows or lightning? If science rejected the existence of such things since they were once considered supernatural it would never have learned anything. All that kind of stuff is still as amazing as it ever was, but now we have a better measure of it.

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#63426 Dec 5, 2012
RE: faith derives from proof
Bat Foy wrote:
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Everyone has a form of faith in something even if it is faith in themselves.
You misrepresent what I am saying if you imply that my side is that faith doesn't happen at all. I hope that is not your intent. I merely say that in the every day sense faith, otherwise known as confidence, derives from proof or evidence.

The kind of faith that you are talking about seems, on the surface, to be an entirely different animal. Is it or is it not? And if it is a different concept, what is that difference? That's what I am trying to get at.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#63427 Dec 5, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
RE: faith derives from proof
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You misrepresent what I am saying if you imply that my side is that faith doesn't happen at all. I hope that is not your intent. I merely say that in the every day sense faith, otherwise known as confidence, derives from proof or evidence.
The kind of faith that you are talking about seems, on the surface, to be an entirely different animal. Is it or is it not? And if it is a different concept, what is that difference? That's what I am trying to get at.
In the current twist of this thread, faith is just beating the bush for secrets to exploit, certainly not about looking for facts and understanding.

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#63428 Dec 5, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>In the current twist of this thread, faith is just beating the bush for secrets to exploit, certainly not about looking for facts and understanding.
Do you mean that religious "faith" is expected to act as a key to open up the box of religious magic?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Bay of Fundy

#63430 Dec 5, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>All people are born with a sinful or disobedient nature that must be brought into subjection. We inherit the sins of our fathers, its just the way it is, but the good news is we can overcome through faith in God and what he has done on the cross.
Children do not inherit the sins of the father...says so in the buybull.

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#63431 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No. I don't have any faith in anything that cannot be demonstrated, being gullible is not a good trait. Science doesn't accept or deny anything, and until you can comprehend what science is then you are a lost cause and I will simply begin mocking you like I do the rest.
Oh no not mockery! You found my only faith weakness.

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#63432 Dec 5, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
<quoted text>Re: Faith derives from proof

Firstly science doesn't actually reject the supernatural. It really doesn't have any definition for the supernatural. It doesn't know when an event is supernatural or not. All it knows is that it is an event.

If God came down in a blaze of glory they wouldn't be out there denying that it happened, but they sure would be out there with there spectroscopes to understand more about it.

Science takes evidence and organizes it logically. Next thing we know we start calling it "natural" and drop the "super". What could be more supernatural than electricity or gravity, rainbows or lightning? If science rejected the existence of such things since they were once considered supernatural it would never have learned anything. All that kind of stuff is still as amazing as it ever was, but now we have a better measure of it.
Ok my mistake I was going based on a previous post made by another evo. See the faith of evo has fundies too how cute.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Bay of Fundy

#63433 Dec 5, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Mankind has dominion over ALL other creatures on earth because we were created that way.
No, I think that 200,000 years ago when modern man first made his appearance, the wild animals of Africa made mince-meat of humans. It took us a while to learn to make tools and weapons to defend ourselves. So we actually evolved in intelligence to overcome the tremendous advantage most animals had over us in terms of size and muscles.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#63434 Dec 5, 2012
The first humans came from Atlantis, you all are wrong!

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