Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Fort Worth, TX

#63346 Dec 5, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
Oops, Maz ran away for the day again.

Has anyone else noticed that she posts several long prepared rants at the start of each stay? I am betting she writes up several posts and saves them and then visits a series of sites like this one.

The gal must be a serial masochist

It also explains why she does not like to drop sources. If she dropped sources as the got debunked on various websites she would not be able to use the same long posts on each site. That is why she ignores when one of her sites is debunked and when it gets trashed as her whale story did by Kong's article she has a conniption fit.

So right now Maz is spending her allotted time on some other website tormenting other believers in sanity and logic.
Gotta give her some props though she doesn't talk about faith just data and theory.

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#63347 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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My God does not require people to have proof. He requires faith which is cool because I don't have proof but I have tons of faith.
Kitten we have talked long enough for you to realize you won't be changing my mind. I realize I won't be changing yours. Therefore I respect your position on this I wish you would do the same.
Thus, your god is neither intelligent nor fair. That's what you are saying. As I said, no intelligent person would ever consider lack of belief in something without evidence to be a bad thing, ever, because it defies logic, and without logic it is not intelligent.

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Everett, WA

#63348 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Gotta give her some props though she doesn't talk about faith just data and theory.
Yes, but she gets all of her data and theory wrong and does not correct her errors. I think she cuts and pastes for several sites, as I said earlier, and acknowledging her many errors would hinder that process.

She does try though. It is rather pathetic after a while, but she does try.

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#63349 Dec 5, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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No the problem is yours and the fact that you will not accept work from your very own reseachers.
There are no hard boundaries because many organisms share the same traits. That is why TOE relies on hand waving where it looks to similarity and ignores the differences, as I said.
Regardless of all this prattle, when it comes to birds I have modern bird footprints that predate arch so the discussion is mute.
I actually have evidence of modern birds dated to 212mya and arch had no reversed hallux and that my friend is another fact you can only deal with via your assumptive reasonings based on confusion.
See ya later!
You have evidence of modern birds that predate Archaeopteryx? You better get that published.

Is this part of your avian ecology research program or part of your vertebrate paleontology research efforts?

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#63350 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Gotta give her some props though she doesn't talk about faith just data and theory.
The thing is a computer can me made to talk about data and theory. It doesn't mean it knows anything about it. Which is current state of MazHere.

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#63351 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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My God does not require people to have proof. He requires faith which is cool because I don't have proof but I have tons of faith.
Kitten we have talked long enough for you to realize you won't be changing my mind. I realize I won't be changing yours. Therefore I respect your position on this I wish you would do the same.
That actually is probably how many believers feel. I am sure many have said it on here, but it bears repeating, evolution does not deal with the existence of a supreme being or a whole gang of them or none at all. It is a theory that describes have life has developed on the Earth. Most, if not all of the controversy is outside of science with folks that follow a strict literal interpretation of the Bible. Many people of different faiths have no trouble accepting the theory of evolution.

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#63352 Dec 5, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, but she gets all of her data and theory wrong and does not correct her errors. I think she cuts and pastes for several sites, as I said earlier, and acknowledging her many errors would hinder that process.
She does try though. It is rather pathetic after a while, but she does try.
I am still looking for 290 million year old whales. What is the real story with that?

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#63353 Dec 5, 2012
What was the topic again ?

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#63354 Dec 5, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I am still looking for 290 million year old whales. What is the real story with that?
http://creationrevolution.com/2011/11/whale-f...

http://phys.org/news/2011-11-whales-fossil-bo...

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Everett, WA

#63355 Dec 5, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You have evidence of modern birds that predate Archaeopteryx? You better get that published.
Is this part of your avian ecology research program or part of your vertebrate paleontology research efforts?
She has one case of birdlike fossil footprints that significantly predate Archaeopteryx. She has bet the house on the reversed hallux. According to her it seems like she thinks that birds, and only birds have reversed halluxxeseseses, hallici? who speaks Latin around here? Oh, and of course, God dun it with magic.
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#63356 Dec 5, 2012
Charles Darwin wrote:
I don't like the way this thread has evolved.
Tossing and turning, I guess?

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#63357 Dec 5, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I am still looking for 290 million year old whales. What is the real story with that?
She keeps citing this story about whale bones found in a quarry in Michigan. Kong found an excellent article about the dating of that particular find. The "rock" that is was found in was unconsolidated sandstone. In laymen terms that means it was found in sand. Very pure quartz sandstone very often will not glue or cement itself together. It is mined with a shovel. So it is no problem to bury objects in the sandstone. If someone does not check the structure of the sand it will not be noticeable to an amateur.

Here is the article that Kong found:

http://paleodb.org/cgi-bin/bridge.pl...

It dated the rock at about 720 years old using Carbon dating and since it was sea life that is a very reasonable date for very recent sea life, not even 720 years old, but right from the sea. Anyway back to the article Kong linked. It has a four word phrase that blows away Maz' claim:

"Preservation: original phosphate, anthropogenic"

Translation: Original bones, not fossils, placed there by man.

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#63358 Dec 5, 2012
AArgeh, no edit feature. The rock was not dated at 720 years using carbon dating, it was the whale bones that were dated at 720 years.
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#63359 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Gotta give her some props though she doesn't talk about faith just data and theory.
She uses data like a red neck uses the English language.

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#63360 Dec 5, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
Thanks. Not the 290 mya whale fossils I am looking for, but interesting.

The first link is higly biased and short on important details, but the second link provided more detail.

So if creation geologist consider this to be evidence of a Worldwide flood, then they are pusing the date of that unsupported event back 2 million years if they are using these fossils. That may be the first time I have read about alledged flood evidence that didn't hit around the 4-6 thousand year range.

I tried getting the actual article from Geology that these two articles report on, but was unable to get access.

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#63362 Dec 5, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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She keeps citing this story about whale bones found in a quarry in Michigan. Kong found an excellent article about the dating of that particular find. The "rock" that is was found in was unconsolidated sandstone. In laymen terms that means it was found in sand. Very pure quartz sandstone very often will not glue or cement itself together. It is mined with a shovel. So it is no problem to bury objects in the sandstone. If someone does not check the structure of the sand it will not be noticeable to an amateur.
Here is the article that Kong found:
http://paleodb.org/cgi-bin/bridge.pl...
It dated the rock at about 720 years old using Carbon dating and since it was sea life that is a very reasonable date for very recent sea life, not even 720 years old, but right from the sea. Anyway back to the article Kong linked. It has a four word phrase that blows away Maz' claim:
"Preservation: original phosphate, anthropogenic"
Translation: Original bones, not fossils, placed there by man.
Thanks much.

That sounds like what I have come to expect from Maz. She provides references she doesn't appear to have reviewed or to understand. It is just for the claim that she is citing references I think. Like those bird-like fossil footprints. Sees the title but doesn't understand the substance.

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#63363 Dec 5, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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I know, I was asking you, not google, however did you actually understand what you plagiarised?
For example what is mean by setting address &h02000 as the sound card and why did I use &h0 instead of 0x
BTW hard drive address donít work in quite the same way, mainly because of the actual address space and they vary depending on the format, 0x3000 would be a bloody small hdd
And you have not answered my final question
You asked for answer I googled it for you, k?

binary code = series of numbers 1 and 0

the computer converts letters into numbers

BTW, this is red herring. Why are we talking about computers?

And what was your last question again?
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#63364 Dec 5, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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You can easily find the answer on google.
The core of computing is binary encoding. The premise is that each of the transistor switches is either on of off, represented by 1 or 0. Each bit is a BInary digiT.
Each of these switches is more-or-less useless on its own. However, you can arrange them in a sequence to get some logic.
Humans use hexadecimal representation as a form of shorthand for binary. That's a 16-base number system that goes from 0-9 then a-f, then rolls over from 0f to 10.
When you write a computer program, the compiler converts your code into opcode, a hex representation of the binary stream. The CPU interprets the opcodes and follows the program, manipulating bits in the accumulator section. In other words, it reads the binary code and uses that code to switch bits on and off in its "brain". The outgoing data is then sent to various locations in the computer, such as to the sound card, video card, hard disk, RAM, etc. You can do this by mapping each location to a virtual location in the computer. For example, you could set the address 0x2000 to be the sound card, and when you write the data 0x5e41 to 0x2000, the sound card will interpret that data and put out an analog signal to the speakers. You could also read the data at location 0x3000 to see what's on that location in the hard drive.
You're saying the intricate complexity and utility of the unit is correlated with the brain like with our being, is this correct?

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#63365 Dec 5, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
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There is a kind of sexuality in some single celled species where they stick together and exchange genetic material. More classic sexuality is seen pretty soon in some small multi-celled organisms, like hydra, which reproduce in sexual and non-sexual ways. BTW, hydra have a little advantage over the rest of us, since they are immortal (barring accidents). I guess if we were like them, religion would have less appeal
Even smaller is the diatom, a single celled organism which reproduces both ways. It reproduces by division and also can split out into 4 sperms or an egg.
The smallest organisms to reproduce ONLY sexually are probably some of the worms. It's not area of my expertise, but I did, as a child, keep some planaria (flatworms), and it was possible to cut then lengthwise and end up with two healthy worms after they regenerated.
well then tell Double Fine that. I never claimed anything about how cells reproduce.

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#63366 Dec 5, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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You asked for answer I googled it for you, k?
binary code = series of numbers 1 and 0
the computer converts letters into numbers
BTW, this is red herring. Why are we talking about computers?
And what was your last question again?
She was asking to prove a point, she knows more than you about tech, a lot more, which was the point. You don't know how your machine works, you use it every day, but you don't know how it works because you haven't studied them. Would you be capable of attempting to disprove how the transistor works? If you think you can, then all is lost for you. All creationists are like that with evolution, they know as much about evolution as you do your computer, yet they attempt to disprove how mechanisms in it work. That's not smart, it's the exact opposite of smart.

Also, the computer doesn't "convert" the binary to letters and numbers, it has combinations that represent letters and numbers, the ones you see, binary is a number, it's just the most basic numerical system. Computers use that number system because they are built using gates, instead of concepts the way our brains work. These gates are switches, to get the space character, the blank space you see when you press the space bar, it checks the switches thrown by the information received by your keyboard to a table, a chart, in the memory then using that it knows which switches to toggle in the video memory to produce that empty space. It's rather interesting that the brain does something even more elaborate, the concept of the empty space triggers switches in the brain, yes, but the language is not binary, it's neural, something we understand but are having a difficult time emulating with binary systems. That blanks space, to your brain, represents as much logic processes as your entire monitor's image. This is why it's perfectly apt to assert that computers are more efficient than the human brain, as it requires only a few switches representing numbers to produce that, while our brains require a lot more just to process it's existence.

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