Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Read more

“There's a feeling I get...”

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Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#63244 Dec 5, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Want to talk science, Maz? Okay, let's talk science. Answer these questions, if you please:
1) You believe in gravity, right? Tell us, in a single sentence, why the Earth does not pull the Earth towards it? How is the moon able to stay in the sky?
My apologies.

"...why the Earth does not pull the MOON towards it"

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#63245 Dec 5, 2012
RE: Easy explanation of Quantum Gravity
Double Fine wrote:
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Okay.First, you need to take a magnet and imagine the flux lines are a river flowing past it. Now, induce a string with EM energy, and put it in this "river". What does it do? Hold the string a bit further. What effect do you see?
Wait a sec. I thought we were going to talk about quantum gravity. OK, so is this an analogy in terms of EM field theory? Is the string one of the strings of string theory? What does it mean to induce a string with EM energy? You mean like magnetize it? or like induce a charge dipole in it? Are we talking in terms of 3-space or 4-space? We are talking bar magnet, right? If the string is magnetized or becomes so, then it aligns with the magnetic field. Hold it a bit further, in time or distance? Are you sure this is going to easy for everyone to understand?

BTW, another thread, I figure would be outside the Evo/Creo thread.

“There's a feeling I get...”

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Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#63246 Dec 5, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
RE: Easy explanation of Quantum Gravity
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Wait a sec. I thought we were going to talk about quantum gravity. OK, so is this an analogy in terms of EM field theory? Is the string one of the strings of string theory? What does it mean to induce a string with EM energy? You mean like magnetize it? or like induce a charge dipole in it? Are we talking in terms of 3-space or 4-space? We are talking bar magnet, right? If the string is magnetized or becomes so, then it aligns with the magnetic field. Hold it a bit further, in time or distance? Are you sure this is going to easy for everyone to understand?
BTW, another thread, I figure would be outside the Evo/Creo thread.
Errr..

Do you actually think that I was being serious?

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#63247 Dec 5, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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How do you filter them out?
Through natural selection. Either they don't live to breeding age or they die after they have kids and the kids die too. The latter is not happening so much today, but before civilized times it was not uncommon at all. Childhood sickle cell anemia is fairly rare. Most cases today are people who are over 40, an age that would historically be beyond the breeding and raising children age.

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#63248 Dec 5, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Hey the Bible tells us that your God sniffs panties!
Yuck
There are a lot of people that think sniffing panties is hot. Well there are plenty of threads on topics on the subject just take a look at the human sexuality threads. Maybe it a christian pastime

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#63249 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
No need to presume that when it became capable of sexual reproduction that it suddenly ceased to be capable of asexual reproduction. Many species of microbe do both, so there are always plenty of partners around.

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#63250 Dec 5, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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There are a lot of people that think sniffing panties is hot. Well there are plenty of threads on topics on the subject just take a look at the human sexuality threads. Maybe it a christian pastime
LOL, I have no clever comebacks on that one

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#63251 Dec 5, 2012
Re: Easy explanation of quantum gravity....
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>Errr..
Do you actually think that I was being serious?
Ah shucks... there goes our one chance to get all the Christians and infidels to agree on something...
Now, how am I going to find an audience when I evolve it all into an analogy of my pet theory of 2nd order quantum religiosity wherein I show that Everett's many worlds theory explains why every one is a new universe of religious perspective...?
60s chic

Bethlehem, PA

#63252 Dec 5, 2012
The Duggers; creationists who are obsessed with pro-creating, and have an obsession with the letter J. Every one of their children's names start with the letter J! Can some one explain that to me? LOL!
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#63253 Dec 5, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The English people and some other truthful people, knows that i am right. The tribes became English, do your research. They left mainland Europe in mass. English is a language first spoken in England.
There's nothing to research. The term "English" is a label arbitrarily applied to a group of people. You won't find old records where some Christian monastery one day decided to say "Hey! Those people are the English people", and forevermore God's truth blessed the land. You can look up etymologies but they only give you paths and time estimates.

It's ironic how you can fixate on labels but remain terrified at the abundance of scientific labels, all packaged up in Latin and sounding so smarty-smart. But we all know that your angle is "faith" because you hide behind it due to your pride. There's nothing smart about that!

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Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#63254 Dec 5, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
Re: Easy explanation of quantum gravity....
<quoted text>
Ah shucks... there goes our one chance to get all the Christians and infidels to agree on something...
Now, how am I going to find an audience when I evolve it all into an analogy of my pet theory of 2nd order quantum religiosity wherein I show that Everett's many worlds theory explains why every one is a new universe of religious perspective...?
You could always try a bribe...

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#63255 Dec 5, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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LOL, I have no clever comebacks on that one
Oh no are you ill?

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#63256 Dec 5, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Yeah.
The reasons why dinosaurs bacame dominant, is another great debate in itself. During the Triassic extinction event, the dinosaurs had a small, but adaptle player in the field: Coelophysis. I believe that that is the very animal that heralded in the dinosaurs as the dominant life forms on earth.
I like this little critter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lystrosaurus

hero of the Permian extinction.

Perhaps there is a lot of luck involved at these pivotal points...and a tiny advantage can become leveraged massively as it compounds over time. Think Microsoft.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#63257 Dec 5, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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How is it calculated when there are millions of DNA to count?
Does it matter? That's an estimate. Do you trust the math in your car's speedometer when it tells you how fast you are going?

You can be reasonably sure that the circumference of the wheel is multiplied by the RPM measurement monitored somewhere in the automobile machinery, hopefully after the gearboxc. With genetics, you can assume that the rate of mutation has been observed for a DNA molecule of a known size, and the ratio of mutation for humans has been calculated based on the ratio between the measured sample and the measured size of human DNA.

In reality, we know that there are minutia, such as traction and tire wear that cause minor differences, as we'll find differences in mutation rate based on the chemical environment or exposure to radiation.

Just deal with it.

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#63258 Dec 5, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Finally, a good, sensible question from you!
I am so proud of you.
Yes. Why reproduce?
The answer is that all animals, us included, have a thing known as DRIVE. A drive for survival, a drive for sex, a drive for obtaining nourishment and a drive to reproduce.
Giving you an example - Have you ever been in a life threatening emergency, i.e. a fight for your life? Have you noticed that, even if you are not a fighter, you gain this terrible WILL for survival? That you can dig deep down into reserves you never knew you had, to get out of it?
Or, likewise, have you ever been really aroused when with a woman you know it is a bad idea to sleep with? How difficult is it getting out of there? It is difficult, because we have an innate DRIVE for sex.
With our offspring, we (usually) have a DRIVE to care for them. That is why most parents, mine included, would lay down their lives in a second, to save mine.
Now, females also have a drive to reproduce. Have you ever seen a few ladies in the baby section of the store, mulling over how cute those little bootsies look? That is parental drive.
You have to dig one layer deeper to answer it though. Why re there drives?

Those that had drives, made those that had drives, who made those that had drives...and those that didn't, didn't!

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#63259 Dec 5, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope I just shouted in the hope of something registering in her stupid creatard mind, only hope mind you, no real expectation.
I see you are an optimist.

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Since: Jun 11

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#63260 Dec 5, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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I like this little critter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lystrosaurus
hero of the Permian extinction.
Perhaps there is a lot of luck involved at these pivotal points...and a tiny advantage can become leveraged massively as it compounds over time. Think Microsoft.
Yes, they have been found right here in SA, fascinating stuff. Tough customers, were those. I have been up close with one of those beauties (I am being overly dramatic...I mean the fossil).

What the fossil record tell us, is that when disaster strikes (read: mass extinction), then it is the generalists, the all-rounders, that makes the cut.

Coelophysis was this. He wasn't as imposing as T-Rex, Spinosaurus or Giganotosaurus, but he could survive on scraps. Coelophysis could survive on insects or small fish, if push came to shove, which it did. T-Rex and his band of snarling Cretaceous terrorists could not. When their food source vanished, they were too specialised to do anything about it.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#63261 Dec 5, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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I can't help it. It sounds funny.
Well if you could explain why mutations that matter are in reproductive systm, then we can continue to discuss.
Mutations that occur IN the reproductive system, not in the genes that control the reproductive system. It's all about the production of gametes.

...or are you just looking for another angle to suggest castration anxiety?

Sorry if my question left you feeling powerless.

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#63262 Dec 5, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Me knows I can and have supported my opinion.
Me also knows you have posted zilch to support yours.
Why do you keep going on and on about what everybody knows?
I have posted a link to pictures that demonstrate that indeed theropods and archaeopteryx had so called wish bones that actually look nothing like a birds wishbone. Is this just something you would like to ignore?
I have invalidiated many of the so called 'bird' traits as being bird traits, meaning; IF Theropods had these features, then arch simply had theropod features, including a wish bone like a theropod and NOT a bird, teeth like a theropod and NOT like a bird, three digits with no reversed hallux like a theropod and NOT like a bird, arch had a fixed femur like a theropod and NOT like a bird.
Hence Arch is not intermediate at all. It is simply a theropod dinosaur and has all the features that connect it to theropods and none of the traits that define a modern bird, at all.
So you evos like to quack alot. What intermediate features are you now claiming demonstrate intermediacy? What are these strong links you are talking about? or,Are you one of the 'they said so' crowd?
I prefer an appropriate reply and not the usual hubris and unsupported opinion.
I loved this post so much I copied a chunk of it onto another forum. On that one, one of your fellow creationists argued repeatedly that archaeopteryx is definitely just a bird. He is proud of his scholarly work in keeping up with this thing he calls "creation science" too. No slacker, he can list all the reasons why Archie is a bird, eternally separate and distinct from Therapod Dino-kind.

You might be too dense to see it, but this proves evolution's point better than almost anything. Keep at it!

“There's a feeling I get...”

Level 5

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#63263 Dec 5, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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You have to dig one layer deeper to answer it though. Why re there drives?
Those that had drives, made those that had drives, who made those that had drives...and those that didn't, didn't!
I don't think that is a too accurate assessment, amigo. No animal wants to die, but some have no choice.

Dodo birds, for instance, lived in harmony with nature for very long, until European man came along. They were successful, but could not adapt to the new environment.

Methinks avoiding extinction is drive + ability to adapt = survival

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