Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Orripa Paquia wrote:
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MAzhere:
I have not seen any evolutionist here quote any scientific papers in this thread. For all their claims of being scientifically correct!!
I have.

I suspect most don't quote them because they realize you can't take people who are used to reading books that only have pictures in them and start discussing articles published in scientific journals with big words in them. We have to dumb it down for you folks a lot of times.

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<quoted text>Glad to see you're not answering the question asked. I will repeat it - what about all the religions that do not subscribe to the christian God and the concept of satan? What happens in their case?

Good to see the light of chrisitanity shining through in the care you show for your fellow man.
I paid 3 families rent and once a month I give out food at the mission to families in need. At Christmas I hand out gifts to kids my kids only get one gift from my wife and I so we can help poor kids. I've done this the last 3 years. What do you do to help your fellow man? Point an laugh and thank the whatever you believe in its not you?

As for religions that don't believe in satan or the Christian God I have no idea. However missionaries do some great work. I also don't think God punishes those who don't know of him. The Bible says where there is no law their is no sin. For those how have the chance to know and ignore him they're in trouble.

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Orripa Paquia wrote:
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I have not seen any evolutionist here quote any scientific papers in this thread. For all their claims of being scientifically correct!!
That is the best you have? Not true either.

Maybe you should stop posting with your head up your butt.

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Orripa Paquia wrote:
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I have not seen any evolutionist here quote any scientific papers in this thread. For all their claims of being scientifically correct!!
You haven't been around very long. Nor has anyone posted anything that requires scientific papers to bust.

And if you see us post something from Talk Origins, a pro-evolution debaters favorite site, all of those articles are based upon scientific papers and they include links to them in their footnotes.

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So ripa, have you considered my claim about scientific evidence?

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Orripa Paquia wrote:
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You cant understand the basic principles of evolution that you believe in? What do you understand then?
If you cant understand a basic statement of what evolution implies or believes in, how can we go any further? A rational conversation cannot be had.
I would like to educate you, but i usually charge for that.
You seriously cannot believe in evolution without a basic understanding of its principles. Both you and subduction zone have serious deficits in your understanding.
I sure that is not the only thing you charge for but I like girls. Thanks anyway.

You don't have the first clue about what you are ranting about. If you can't deal with being told you are a messed up, completely ingnorant and wrong-headed idiot, then stop posting here. It is for your own good.

Really? Deficits? And how awkwardly executed in your sentence. I bet it thought better than it reads.

You base this of course on the fact that we have torn up and thrown back stupid, illogical arguments that you tried to sneak by everyone as serious. Whatever you say.

Obviously, Subduction Zone and I have stirred you up and pissed you off. You don't even bother to answer questions regarding your claims.

What are your qualifications? What are you trying to say? What is your point? Why did your dog drop you on this thread?

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Orripa Paquia wrote:
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You cant understand the basic principles of evolution that you believe in? What do you understand then?
If you cant understand a basic statement of what evolution implies or believes in, how can we go any further? A rational conversation cannot be had.
I would like to educate you, but i usually charge for that.
You seriously cannot believe in evolution without a basic understanding of its principles. Both you and subduction zone have serious deficits in your understanding.
You won't bother to educate others, is the way you say, I don't understand anything, but I want to sound like I am an expert. If you are an expert, then enlighten us as to what that means. Go ahead and explain the basic principles of evolution to us poor unannointed masses that we may bask in the glory that is you.

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http://www.weirdasianews.com/2007/06/29/real-...

Some fossils, named the “China dragon fossils”ť, were recently exhibited in the Xinwei Ancient Life Fossils Museum in Anshun, Guizhou.

When archeologists first stripped the clay off the fossil, they found the dragon had a pair of horns above its head and the shape of the dragon was very like the legendary animal often described in books and stories.

Dragons have often appeared in Chinese legends. The dragon with two horns on its head is regarded as a totem. The totem was first invented by Chinese ancestors and worshipped by the Chinese people. Therefore Chinese people are also called the “descendents of the dragon”ť.

For a long time, scientists thought that the dragon was a fictional animal existing only in stories.

The dragon fossil was found in Guanling County, Anshun City, in 1996, and has been kept in a good condition. It is measured 7.6 meters long. Its head is 76 centimeters long and the neck is 54 centimeters long. The body is 2.7 meters in length and 68 centimeters in width, and the tail is 3.7 meters long.

The dragon’s head is in a triangle shape. Its mouth is 43 centimeters long. The widest part of the head is 32 centimeters long. The horns project from the widest part of the head, and are symmetrical and 27 centimeters long. They are a little bit curved and tilted, which makes the fossil look very much like the legendary dragon.

The China dragon was a reptile animal living in the ocean in Triassic Period about 200 million years ago. It was an amphibian. It spent most of its time living in water, although sometimes it walked on land. It also laid eggs on land. The animal lived on fish and small reptile animals.

This is the first time that China found a dragon fossil with a pair of horns. Its discovery provides some evidence to prove that dragons might really have horns. The fossil provides important scientific information for people to trace the origin of the Chinese legendary dragon.

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<quoted text>Who cares what you said? I have said time without number that faith is not fact and I have offered the definitions to prove it, tell me what you have offered to disprove it –What was that? I can’t hear you, what?-“Nothing”, Ah ok, forget I asked

What game? Stamping your feet like a petulant child and ignoring fact does not mean you win, it simply means you have nothing to offer and are frustrated at the fact but are not willing to accept that fact. Just because you are too deliberately ignorant to actually understand what faith is is no ones fault but your own. DonÂ’t blame me or anyone else for your ignorance

Faith is not fact, faith is individual and in the imagination it has no bearing on reality

Let me re-quote

Faith
1 - Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2 -Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Then we have

Fact
1 - A thing that is indisputably the case.
2 - something that actually exists; reality; truth.
3 - something known to exist or to have happened
4 - a truth known by actual experience or observation
5 - something known to be true

Notice the difference?

Just in case you are to stupid to understand IÂ’ll explain
The definition of faith highlight that faith is based on trust and belief, apprehension and not proof

The definition of fact is indisputable, actual, known, experienced, observed, true

Personally I think that offering indisputable facts and definitions beats your lying imagination every time but hey, thatÂ’s just me, IÂ’m not a godbot in love with a myth
By your definition faith is fact.

4 - a truth known by actual experience or observation

Faith
1 - Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2 -Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
I have actual experience with faith.
This is the part where you say something about how I'm dumb and how much better it is to be like you.

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>What evidence would you like that evolution is ongoing?

What evidence do you have that it's not?
Science isn't really my thing and I know you're going to laugh but from a non science point of view maz has posted some pretty good stuff supporting id.

My back ground is faith mostly Jewish , Christian , and Islam.

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Makes sense wrote:
Viruses are STILL evolving or is God creating the new ones?
They could be adapting?

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Oh, and if God is creating new viruses, why couldn't He complete the jobs in 7 days, like all the other stuff He created?
How many people would still be alive if the flu changed every 6 days as God rested on day 7

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http://www.weirdasianews.com/2 007/06/29/real-dragon-fossils- display-china/
Some fossils, named the “China dragon fossils”ť, were recently exhibited in the Xinwei Ancient Life Fossils Museum in Anshun, Guizhou.
When archeologists first stripped the clay off the fossil, they found the dragon had a pair of horns above its head and the shape of the dragon was very like the legendary animal often described in books and stories.
Dragons have often appeared in Chinese legends. The dragon with two horns on its head is regarded as a totem. The totem was first invented by Chinese ancestors and worshipped by the Chinese people. Therefore Chinese people are also called the “descendents of the dragon”ť.
For a long time, scientists thought that the dragon was a fictional animal existing only in stories.
The dragon fossil was found in Guanling County, Anshun City, in 1996, and has been kept in a good condition. It is measured 7.6 meters long. Its head is 76 centimeters long and the neck is 54 centimeters long. The body is 2.7 meters in length and 68 centimeters in width, and the tail is 3.7 meters long.
The dragon’s head is in a triangle shape. Its mouth is 43 centimeters long. The widest part of the head is 32 centimeters long. The horns project from the widest part of the head, and are symmetrical and 27 centimeters long. They are a little bit curved and tilted, which makes the fossil look very much like the legendary dragon.
The China dragon was a reptile animal living in the ocean in Triassic Period about 200 million years ago. It was an amphibian. It spent most of its time living in water, although sometimes it walked on land. It also laid eggs on land. The animal lived on fish and small reptile animals.
This is the first time that China found a dragon fossil with a pair of horns. Its discovery provides some evidence to prove that dragons might really have horns. The fossil provides important scientific information for people to trace the origin of the Chinese legendary dragon.
Amusing story about a movie prop.

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Science isn't really my thing and I know you're going to laugh but from a non science point of view maz has posted some pretty good stuff supporting id.
My back ground is faith mostly Jewish , Christian , and Islam.
Maz has posted a lot of previously refuted claims and links to actual scientific findings that she has overemphasized the signficance of or misrepresented entirely.

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How many people would still be alive if the flu changed every 6 days as God rested on day 7
Not sure I understand what you are getting at.

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They could be adapting?
No, the changes seen in viruses in the laboratory have involved evolving whole new body parts. Definitely beyond adapting.

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http://theofficialillphil.com/blog/dinosaurs_...

Beginning at a very early age we are taught that we as humans evolved from apes. We are also taught that dinosaurs roamed the earth before us millions of years ago. While I have already addressed the many issues concerning the theory of evolution in my previous article "Evolution Exposed...," there is much to be revealed about dinosaurs as well. You probably imagine dinosaurs as being huge intelligent creatures that prey on every living thing that crosses their path. Movies such as Jurassic Park help to portray this image of dinosaurs very cunningly. What you might not know is that many of these depictions you see, including the ones in our text books, are very deceiving. There is much that scientists have learned about dinosaurs through their fossil record, but there is also much that they still do not know. Instead of emphasizing actual facts and informing us of what they believe might have happened, they present information to us in a biased misleading manner reporting their assumptions to be facts. Fortunately, there are enough scholars in the field practicing and writing books that we can learn what the majority of scientists do not openly tell us. Contrary to what you may have been told, some of the most low profile discoveries report that there actually exists archaeological evidence that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time. You don't think so? Hopefully by the time you finish reading this article you'll be pleased to have learned information that you were never told existed.

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http://theofficialillphil.com/blog/evolution_...

If you were told to identify a scientific theory that dispels belief in the existence of God, the theory of evolution would probably be your first choice. Not only is this theory supported by some of the most educated and well known scientists in the world, but with the collaboration of so many great minds upholding it, how could they all possibly be wrong? Suprisingly, they are wrong! Do you doubt the possibility of this happening? If so, here are some examples of past scientific theories proven to be wrong. Did you know that until the late sixteenth century scientists thought that the earth was in the center of the universe and that the planets and the sun revolved around it (Geocentrism)? Did you know that not long ago scientist thought that heat was produced by a fluid called caloric (Caloric Theory)? Did you know that until as late as the nineteenth century scientists thought that children could inherit the characteristics of their mother's previous lover (Telegony Theory)? As you can see, although science has made fascinating discoveries and produced extraordinary technology, even with its many brilliant minds, they can still can be dead wrong!
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Subduction Zone wrote:
So ripa, have you considered my claim about scientific evidence?
What claim?

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Orriapa paquia wrote:
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What claim?
The claim that the theory of evolution is supported by a mountain of scientific evidence and that there is no scientific evidence that supports creationism.

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