Evolution vs. Creation

[Hidingfromyou]

Cybele wrote:

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So why don't we just cut the BS and point out something from the article that you think is not true and correct it with scientific facts. Just one at least?

Here's another false sentence:

"Believing in beneficial mutations is like believing a short-circuit in the motherboard of your computer could improve its performance."

Mutations don't work like short-circuits, so presenting this as some kind of analogy is poor and misleading.

[Subduction Zone]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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You want to learn more about evolution or more about how creationists misunderstand it?
If you want to learn science, read science. Creationists aren't giving you science information, they're giving you religious information.

Hey, I want to learn more about how creationist misunderstand it.

Don't start just yet, I am going to the liquor store to get a couple of liters of Bourbon to help with the thinking process. I figure if you want to think like a creationist you need to drink like a creationist.

[anonymous]

Bat Foy wrote:

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It is the truth you don't have to like it nor do you have to comment on it.
If it walks like a duck sounds like a duck looks and smells like a duck it a very young dinosaur? NO IT'S A DUCK! If what I posted doesn't sound like the world we live in to you it's because it's talking about you.

Then, if you don't mind, it sounds like you have a smug belief that your gut feelings are far superior to anyone elses feelings or rational observations. There's no great truth in that kind of "street smarts". It's old-news bigotry.

[Bat Foy]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

<quoted text>I did not call you stupid. In point of fact, we are all ignorant about almost everything. I happen to know more about biological science then you do. That's not an insult unless your measure of a person is based on their ability to understand biological science.

Calm down I didn't say you called me stupid. My post was half joking a bit of a jab at you evos for never just saying "i don't know" that's all it's ok.

[Hidingfromyou]

Subduction Zone wrote:

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Well then you know far more about this than I ever will. I just thought the malaria mutation was a very good example of the article you brought up.

It is, it is!

[Hidingfromyou]

Subduction Zone wrote:

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Hey, I want to learn more about how creationist misunderstand it.
Don't start just yet, I am going to the liquor store to get a couple of liters of Bourbon to help with the thinking process. I figure if you want to think like a creationist you need to drink like a creationist.

hahaha, have a drink for me!

[Subduction Zone]

Cybele wrote:

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What? lol
DNA is our CHI long time AGO. hahahaha!

And another analogy flies over your head at 20,000 feet.

Does anyone know how to explain to these dolts that a knowledge of how DNA formed has nothing to do with evolution?

[anonymous]

Cybele wrote:

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I'm reinventing my avatar? what's that supposed to mean?
So we cannot predict the future by observing the past? That's actually hard to believe especially in science.

As in you've played out your hand under one sign-on, now you're trying out a new sign-on but with the same old rhetoric. The arguments are too familiar, too much meaningless obstructionism. You've played and lost this debate many times before, but still aren't being honest about your real goal.

An avatar is a face you wear while you hide your own face. You've picked a kind of ironic one, the warrior she-kitty among the Christians of the future. I wonder if you have any idea just how many levels of irony you've stumbled into.

You know, movies like that really tick me off when they create false images of the Native Americans that just become fantasies for spoiled brats.

[Orriapa paquia]

Subduction Zone wrote:

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Yes, you were too stupid to understand the straight forward truth so I tried to teach you with an analogy.
It seems even that was below your comfort level intelectually.
And please, don't try to change the argument after the fact.
You kept saying a stupid thing, that we had to understand where DNA came from to understand evolution. I kept correcting you and pointing out that was not the fact. You kept whining on so I showed you what work has been done on abiogenesis and you lied about the site.
Then you went back to your old busted DNA claim and I tried to make it as simple as possible for you to understand.
How simple do I have to make this for you?

Wow subduction zone!!, so you dont have any evidence or scientific data to present or quote or point to that you have to resort to name calling.
You think im stupid because i put forth a point you cant answer and you have danced around the issue without being able to honestly say you have no clue or answer.
So how then i am to discuss with you other points if you cant be honest and say you have no answer?
Isn't that how rational and intelligent discussion occurs?
Just say i dont know!!
So i guess you have no answer then. Why not be honest and state you dont have all the facts and understanding of the matter?
I g

[Cybele]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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Yeah, creationism is total garbage. It cannot produce new knowledge, testable hypotheses or new technology.

Yah you just proved my point. The link I posted had references. Nothing about religion. I guess you can't provide scientific facts to disprove other scientists who have debunked evolution. I thought you were knowledgeable in biological sciences?

[Orriapa paquia]

Subduction Zone wrote:

<quoted text>And another analogy flies over your head at 20,000 feet.
Does anyone know how to explain to these dolts that a knowledge of how DNA formed has nothing to do with evolution?

So let me understand this, the supreme pope and priest of evolution, Richard Dawkins, states that life on earth came about from aliens that implanted DNA on earth.

So how is that different from a supreme being?

Suduction zone, Are you saying you have more understanding of evolution that Richard Dawkins, because he clearly says on the video clip i provided to you that he cant explain it

[Cybele]

Subduction Zone wrote:

<quoted text>And another analogy flies over your head at 20,000 feet.
Does anyone know how to explain to these dolts that a knowledge of how DNA formed has nothing to do with evolution?

Now you're saying DNA has nothing to do with evolution? Really? You don't think that changes in DNA can lead to evolution? You are clueless!

[Hidingfromyou]

Cybele wrote:

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Yah you just proved my point. The link I posted had references. Nothing about religion. I guess you can't provide scientific facts to disprove other scientists who have debunked evolution. I thought you were knowledgeable in biological sciences?

hahaha, the link you provided is not science. It presents a misrepresentation of science.

Scientists have not debunked evolution. Where ever did you get that idea?

Own up and show me the research paper, please.

[Hidingfromyou]

Bat Foy wrote:

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Calm down I didn't say you called me stupid. My post was half joking a bit of a jab at you evos for never just saying "i don't know" that's all it's ok.

I'm calm. I say I don't know when I don't know. The thing is, I knew the answer to your question and answered it, and then you tossed that comment in. So either you didn't read my words, or you didn't believe that I was telling the truth, or you thought it would be funny to write a non-sequitur.

[Cybele]

anonymous wrote:

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As in you've played out your hand under one sign-on, now you're trying out a new sign-on but with the same old rhetoric. The arguments are too familiar, too much meaningless obstructionism. You've played and lost this debate many times before, but still aren't being honest about your real goal.
An avatar is a face you wear while you hide your own face. You've picked a kind of ironic one, the warrior she-kitty among the Christians of the future. I wonder if you have any idea just how many levels of irony you've stumbled into.
You know, movies like that really tick me off when they create false images of the Native Americans that just become fantasies for spoiled brats.

WTF are you talking about? My avatar before was a sunflower. You must have confused me for someone else. You know you should just show us the god damn evidence instead of this nonsense. You anonymous coward.

[Cybele]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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hahaha, the link you provided is not science. It presents a misrepresentation of science.
Scientists have not debunked evolution. Where ever did you get that idea?
Own up and show me the research paper, please.

I guess you really don't have anything. Nothing.

[thewordofme]

FREE SERVANT wrote:

Those who choose to believe in Evolution only see things as science reveals it to them. There is no real way of understanding the true beginning of our earth and universe and life if you do not believe in miracles. God has the power to do what the Bible said he did.

You write:
"God has the power to do what the Bible said he did."

No...your god does not exist.

How do you believe this clap-trap on NO evidence whatsoever??

[Subduction Zone]

Orriapa paquia wrote:

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Wow subduction zone!!, so you dont have any evidence or scientific data to present or quote or point to that you have to resort to name calling.
You think im stupid because i put forth a point you cant answer and you have danced around the issue without being able to honestly say you have no clue or answer.
So how then i am to discuss with you other points if you cant be honest and say you have no answer?
Isn't that how rational and intelligent discussion occurs?
Just say i dont know!!
So i guess you have no answer then. Why not be honest and state you dont have all the facts and understanding of the matter?
I g

Yes, you are that stupid. I tired my best. Stop listening to lying creationist sites.

You were the one that came up with the incredibly stupid claim. That knowledge of the origin of DNA was needed to understand evolution. You provided no evidence of any sort for your claim. Therefore logically all it took to dismiss it was a hand wave.

Put some evidence behind your claim and I might put some effort into debunking it. Otherwise, trust me, it is just nonsense to claim that we have to know where DNA came from to understand evolution.

And here is a hint. When someone politely answers you, don't keep pushing if you have no support for your claim. Otherwise, they might get mad and tell you how stupid that you are.

[Cybele]

Orriapa paquia wrote:

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Suduction zone, Are you saying you have more understanding of evolution that Richard Dawkins, because he clearly says on the video clip i provided to you that he cant explain it

If the link I posted was total garbage, how come they couldn't tell exactly why it's wrong.

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

[thewordofme]

FREE SERVANT wrote:

Water was a great part in the creation in the beginning, and the earth was formed from water.

No it wasn't. Water played no part in the original creation of our planet.(by natural forces I might add)

Fire did. Water came much later.

Where do you get this kind of junkscience tripe??