Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168963 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#62787 Dec 3, 2012
maybe wrote:
'I have stumbled across some intellectual idiots. You scientific people need to explain. How do you get something from nothing, where did the universe come from or if has always been here which makes little sense then always would have to be eternal and believing in Eternity would be contrary to science.
Well I have stumbled across some intellectual Idiots of the very HIGHEST order in the creationist arena.

You tell me the universe MUST come from something and that everything must have a creator. That something is your self described sky fairy who is so stupid and lonely he wants us humans to constantly 'worship' him.. WTF

I ask where your god comes from and you say he was always there...thereby contradicting your statement that everything must have a creator.

Your religion is stupid and phony just like all the other hundreds of religions that passed before. There are NO proofs for it and a growing line of proofs against it.
Anonymous

London, UK

#62788 Dec 3, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I am replying to Charles post, but this is directed to straa from the UK.
Please read Charles post and explain to me what it says, because I am interpreting it to read that prehistoric forest, other vegetation and prehistoric animal remains were not transformed into coal by time geological geochemical processes, but because some unspecified thing had "faith." The dead plant material perhaps? It couldn't be the coal because it apparently takes faith for it to be created.
Now does it make any sense that faith is somehow a mechanism of this natural process? How deos a petroleum engineer or a geologist quantify this faith that created coal? Can he trace this faith back to its origin in the primordial faith? Where in the process does the faith come in to play? Does it take a lot of faith or only a little to make coal? Does this apply to other geochemical or geological phenomenon? Can we stop vulcanism by a loss of faith? Perhaps the salt beds in Meditterranian Italy were also laid down by faith. Further, is faith a key component of the many ice ages that have scoured the lands of the earth?
Operators are standing by.
Evolution has been proven beyond any doubt to me, I don't share Charles beliefs, but he has the right to air them as we do
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#62789 Dec 3, 2012
I choose to believe the universe is the heaven and the earth and it was created by a miracle of God. I believe that our Creator has all power in heaven and earth and everything on earth was created at once when he said for it be, and the 6 days was literally all the time it took for the miracle of God to come about and create the heavens and the earth and all that is . All living things had seed within themselves to allow for reproduction that was a pattern after the original kind. Systems bring about reproduction as well as differing work that is required to maintain life on earth and they follow cyclic patterns that were shown by God.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#62790 Dec 3, 2012
Natural systems have within themselves timing and selective functioning for finished work. Repeating cycles carry out the patterned events. It is not unguided processes.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#62791 Dec 3, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Likewise. Though you don't have any.
A darn silly thing to post then, I'd say.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#62792 Dec 3, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The word, " faith ", is not limited to religion alone, it cut accross all areas of life.
The word "lie" isn't restricted to any topic, living or dead.

Why do you lie, Charles?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#62793 Dec 3, 2012
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
And you're not being arrogant? Not only can you adapt but you can also outlive anyone in here. Wow.
I mention "adapt" and you think that's all there is to it in evolution. You are stretching this a bit too far. I think because you still don't get it.
I'm thinking that you're reinventing your avatar, and that's it. Probably why you chose something from Avatar.

Evolution is a passive process. You keep wording it as if it's an active process. It's not. Saying so, loudly won't change the facts. Evolution is a process that is acted upon living creatures. The only way to describe or demonstrate it is by observing the past, not predicting the future.

"Proof" is an illogical interpretation of the phenomena.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#62794 Dec 3, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
<quoted text>
I like verse 7 the best
As long as you understand it to be "your" truth, not THE Truth!

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#62795 Dec 3, 2012
Orriapa paquia wrote:
Subduction Zone:
The basic premace of evolution cannot explain or reaches its end a the cellular level. It cannot explain how the first cell replicated ie how did DNA evolve into DNA as it is a superbly complex structure. If you cannot explain how DNA came about how can you explain evolution?
If you cannot explain how money came about how can you explain which is better, an 7% mortgage over thirty years of a low start of 3.5% for the first three years, and 9% thereafter for the rest of the 30 years.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#62796 Dec 3, 2012
Those who choose to believe in Evolution only see things as science reveals it to them. There is no real way of understanding the true beginning of our earth and universe and life if you do not believe in miracles. God has the power to do what the Bible said he did.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#62797 Dec 3, 2012
maybe wrote:
'I have stumbled across some intellectual idiots. You scientific people need to explain. How do you get something from nothing, where did the universe come from or if has always been here which makes little sense then always would have to be eternal and believing in Eternity would be contrary to science.
You don't get something from nothing, silly!

Where did the universe come from? Somewhere else.

What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything? 42.

Done now!
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#62798 Dec 3, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Natural systems have within themselves timing and selective functioning for finished work. Repeating cycles carry out the patterned events. It is not unguided processes.
Here comes the water wookie!
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#62799 Dec 3, 2012
Water was a great part in the creation in the beginning, and the earth was formed from water.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#62800 Dec 3, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Water was a great part in the creation in the beginning, and the earth was formed from water.
Except there is evidence that the early earth consisted initially of a molten rock surface with NO water. Earth's water only appeared on the surface of the planet once it cooled down sufficiently.

Since: Sep 12

Hurst, TX

#62801 Dec 3, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I don't agree, but I don't know everything. I will admit that certain people get called stupid, not because they don't believe, but because they report obviously false information intended to refute a subject they clearly know nothing about. Just because a person is called stupid doesn't mean they are, but that shouldn't protect those that are stupid. Having read your posts, I find I don't always agree, but I don't feel like you should be ridiculed for your belief. MazHere would be an example of someone that is stupid, or willfully ignorant. I am not sure how to classify Charles Idemi. He may be in his own category.
Maz makes good points now and again. I don't understand much on the technical side. Charles has a good heart but I have to read some of his post a couple times just kinda get it.

I respect an "I don't know yet" way more than some long preachy thing that comes out "I don't know."
Anonymous

UK

#62802 Dec 3, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Those who choose to believe in Evolution only see things as science reveals it to them. There is no real way of understanding the true beginning of our earth and universe and life if you do not believe in miracles. God has the power to do what the Bible said he did.
It is possible for a Christian to believe in evolution, they are not mutually exclusive, to me I don't think that man was created by god because of the many flaws in our design, just our digestive system and intestines alone are incredibly badly designed and no god, or plumber, would ever design us in such a poor way, it is obviously by way of evolution, the human body is full of glaring flaws that would never have been purposefully designed in such a poor way

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#62803 Dec 3, 2012
"Although cosmic mysteries remain, Sean Carroll, a theoretical cosmologist at the California Institute of Technology, says there's good reason to think science will ultimately arrive at a complete understanding of the universe that leaves no grounds for God whatsoever.

Carroll argues that God's sphere of influence has shrunk drastically in modern times, as physics and cosmology have expanded in their ability to explain the origin and evolution of the universe. "As we learn more about the universe, there's less and less need to look outside it for help,"

The explanatory power of religion shrinks even as we speak.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#62804 Dec 3, 2012
Sorry, forgot to include link to above clip.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/scie...
Anonymous

UK

#62805 Dec 3, 2012
I will add thoe that our existence and the fact that anything exists is totally inexplainable and untill we have any kind of understanding of it, it would be false to say with even the slightest authority that there is definitely no creator, really both the concept of a created universe and a random springing into existence are both scientifically and philosophically unsatisfying, and there is of course the possibility that nothing exists, if truelly nothing exists then that really means nothing, including the concept of existence and non existence, this is a very real possibility, and has been pondered about by some of our greatest minds, also human consiousness and the fact that through the uncertainty principal consiousness is the very fabric of existence, and only through observation does a quantam state break down into a particular reality, is frankly amazing, and totally bizarre, and the importance this gives to consiousness can not be ignored

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#62806 Dec 3, 2012
Orriapa paquia wrote:
<quoted text>
You are quite confused, the protocell website you quoted specifically says its an idea, a conjecture, there is no reference to any scientific experiment in that website. They reference another article from Irene Chen which is an essay (hypothesis, story, account, parable, etc) not a scientific experiment detailing anything testable. This is from six years ago in 2006. Do you have anything new that i can look at?
If you believe in evolution there is no other way around DNA. You may choose to ignore it but that does not make it go away.
You cannot choose to believe in evolution and ignore DNA.
Why so? DNA IS THE PRINCIPLE WAY BUT WHICH HEREDITARY TRAITS ARE PASSED ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.
I am sorry to upset you but you have a blind belief in a theory that you cannot prove nor that you can explain or that you understand. You state scientific evidence but provide none.
I dont believe that Richard Dawkins is what he claims to be but as a proponent of evolution he is at least right when posed with the same question about DNA: his answer "i dont know how the first cell came about and nobody else does, we believe it may have been planted by aliens" (paraphrase)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =9M_ZF8r5e7wXX
Ill be glad to discuss any scientific evidence with you. You still though need to look into DNA theory for yourself and see that evolutionists claims dont match up.
Perhaps you don't know what conjecture means. Or you did not understand that website. Much of the work HAS been done, not all of it has been done.

And no, knowledge of where DNA comes from is not needed for the theory of evolution.

Here is an analogy that should be simple enough even for you. Think of evolution as a trip through history. Now let's compare it to an actual trip. Say that you are making a trip across the country. It starts somewhere on the West Coast. Maybe Seattle, maybe L.A., we don't know. We know that it did go through Chicago and we know where the trip went to pretty much from there. Is it necessary to know where the trip went before Chicago to know where the trip went after Chicago?

Acquiring DNA is our Chicago. That is where the theory of evolution starts from, we don't need to know where the trip went before Chicago now, do we.

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