Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221399 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#62593 Dec 3, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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It is my secret new stalking technique. Figure out what someone is going to say before they say it and use this old dilapidated software to post ahead of them.
Mu-ha-HA!
Wow!

Ok. Concentrate. I'm looking at the stock market tomorrow. What are the outcomes?

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#62594 Dec 3, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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All organisms adapt to their environment but I find it impossible for one type of organism to evolve into another. Remember Aristotle's causality dilemma? did the chicken or the egg come first? Scientists to this day don't even have an answer to that let alone provide evidence for evolution.
No. All organisms do not adapt to their environments. Where ever did you get that idea? Drop a turkey off at the North Pole or the Gobi desert and count how many seconds it survives.

Your personal incredulity and inability to "imagine" speciation is not a hindrance for the science of biology, I'm sorry to say. That tells us about you and not about science. You have limitations.

We know what came first with Chicken or egg. Would you care to guess?

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#62595 Dec 3, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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In theory, it could work. It doesn't matter how related we are to Pongo or New World Monkeys. I could say that we are also related to bananas.
Whether we were created or genetically engineered, we don't know. But my point here is, there is no evidence for TOE or creation.
You could say whatever you like. However, no one will give a damn if you say "humans are related to bananas." They will just ignore you.

We know that species evolve through time. You may not understand this, but so what? You are hardly the bastion of knowledge for biological science. You don't make any high level decisions about the state of research or the state of medical science. And, frankly, I'm glad. Sorry. But you don't seem to care that you know almost nothing about biological science while strangely feeling compelled to speak about it.

All evidence, every single speck of it, tells us evolution happened and is ongoing. There's not a shred of evidence to show otherwise.

Just because you are entirely unfamiliar with the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Sorry, but the tree fell without your knowledge.

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#62596 Dec 3, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Erm... Best you rephrase that.
WE know.
You don't.
Oh really? What do you really know? I happen to know stuff you don't.

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#62597 Dec 3, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>Charles, you're lying every time you post. Why do you lie?
Het hates kittens?

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#62598 Dec 3, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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What I'm trying to say is that where in our DNA provide evidence that we were once a fish? LOL.
That's largely been erased. A bit still exists.
You really think that our genetic code can handle all that mutations in millions of years?
Yes. You don't? Why not? Do you have any research to back up your odd opinion here?
Are you going to bring up junk DNA? We don't know much about that yet. That makes a good sci-fi movie though.
Wow.

I have a question. You don't know anything about biology or genetics. Why do you believe you can talk about what we do or do not know?

I can answer your questions, but my answers require a minimum level of knowledge. I can start from the beginning if you like - explain what DNA is, the basic theory of evolution, what natural selection is, etc.

Would that help?

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#62599 Dec 3, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Oh really? What do you really know? I happen to know stuff you don't.
Related to just about any natural science?

No, you don't.

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#62600 Dec 3, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>Your faith is nothing but denial.
Likewise. Though you don't have any.

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#62601 Dec 3, 2012
MazHere wrote:
At least I can accept the data on the deteriorating genome as it stands, predict all dna and organs will be functional and be validated, and am clear what is or is not a bird.
What???

Where does this stupid argument come from? The genomes of species are NOT deteriorating.

I've already destroyed any point you've raised. You haven't raised a single valid point yet - but we can't expect you to. After all, you have very strange, deeply held religious beliefs which preclude you from understanding biological science.

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#62602 Dec 3, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No. All organisms do not adapt to their environments. Where ever did you get that idea? Drop a turkey off at the North Pole or the Gobi desert and count how many seconds it survives.
Your personal incredulity and inability to "imagine" speciation is not a hindrance for the science of biology, I'm sorry to say. That tells us about you and not about science. You have limitations.
We know what came first with Chicken or egg. Would you care to guess?
You just made a contradiction. I thought it was about survival of the fittest? I know a cold turkey when I see one.

I wouldn't guess which came first. Because the answer is neither one.

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#62603 Dec 3, 2012
MazHere wrote:
A bird has a reversed hallux, the thigh bone is largely fixed in place, birds are cold blooded not warm which is a big difference, birds have hollow bones, birds do not have teeth.
Birds are not cold blooded.

You aren't a morphologist and don't understand the first thing of taxonomy or anatomy.

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#62604 Dec 3, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> It was faith that led the inventors to come up with their inventions.
It was determination and drive, not faith.

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#62605 Dec 3, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Related to just about any natural science?
No, you don't.
I read all that stuff about evolution and all the fancy words. Didn't convince me. But I used to believe in mermaids when I was a little girl. lol.

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#62607 Dec 3, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>Charles, you're lying every time you post. Why do you lie?
The word, " faith ", is not limited to religion alone, it cut accross all areas of life.

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#62610 Dec 3, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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You just made a contradiction. I thought it was about survival of the fittest? I know a cold turkey when I see one.
I wouldn't guess which came first. Because the answer is neither one.
There's no contradiction. When an individual's adaptive mechanisms' tolerances are exceeded, they die. When a species is full of individuals whose adaptive mechanisms are failing, it goes extinct. If you put a turkey into an extremely cold or hot environment, it will die. You were incorrect that "organisms always adapt to their environment."

You don't seem to understand what "adapt" means, to be honest. You're confusing it with "evolution."

The free living organisms came before the egg, by several million years; meaning that the metaphorical chicken came first. By the time you actually get to chickens, the question is impossible to answer since there was no such thing as a "first" chicken or a "first" egg at that point.

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#62615 Dec 3, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Birds are not cold blooded.
You aren't a morphologist and don't understand the first thing of taxonomy or anatomy.
No, but I pay tax.

I don't know how I passed physiology when I studied pharmacology, lol. I also bought a book on bioinformatics when I thought about majoring in that field. I learned about genetic code ACTG and thought maybe study ACCTG. lol.

Give it up. We can talk about it all day, in the end you won't be able to provide real evidence.

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#62617 Dec 3, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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It was determination and drive, not faith.
That driving force and determination came as a result of faith.

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#62619 Dec 3, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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There's no contradiction. When an individual's adaptive mechanisms' tolerances are exceeded, they die. When a species is full of individuals whose adaptive mechanisms are failing, it goes extinct. If you put a turkey into an extremely cold or hot environment, it will die. You were incorrect that "organisms always adapt to their environment."
You don't seem to understand what "adapt" means, to be honest. You're confusing it with "evolution."
The free living organisms came before the egg, by several million years; meaning that the metaphorical chicken came first. By the time you actually get to chickens, the question is impossible to answer since there was no such thing as a "first" chicken or a "first" egg at that point.
So there you reiterate that organisms don't always adapt to their environment but somehow we survived as a species. We must be special kind of fish. No wonder we say our thanks and attack that damn turkey.

In the process of an organism trying to adapt, there is a chance that that organism won't survive. That's why animals choose their environment. In the wild, they have their own territories. That's why you're here because you probably won't survive in a third world country.

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#62620 Dec 3, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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I read all that stuff about evolution and all the fancy words. Didn't convince me. But I used to believe in mermaids when I was a little girl. lol.
Oh wow. You read "all that stuff"?

So you have a degree in "all that stuff"?

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#62621 Dec 3, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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No, but I pay tax.
I don't know how I passed physiology when I studied pharmacology, lol. I also bought a book on bioinformatics when I thought about majoring in that field. I learned about genetic code ACTG and thought maybe study ACCTG. lol.
Give it up. We can talk about it all day, in the end you won't be able to provide real evidence.
No, you simply cannot interpret the evidence.

Ignorance is not wrong. However, arrogance from such a position is really stupid.

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