Evolution vs. Creation

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#62073 Nov 30, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Remember or simply don't forget that, you are discussing with a learned person.
Charles Babbage died has a result of his un successful attempts at coming up with the analytical engine. Faraday died from his own invention.
Ahahahha. Did you just call yourself a "learned person?"

Are you trying to cause a logical paradox and make the universe implode? Cut it out.

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#62074 Nov 30, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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I'm telling you that racism doesn't have jack to do with biblical roots.
I'm also suggesting that your Autistic need to create rituals and labels for things is not scientific and that you lower the bar for the aristocratic meddling in the affairs of common folk. That in itself, will cause you to live an unhappy life as you will only find increasing confrontation, the more you try to shelter yourself in your private universe.
You are the pinnacle of bad karma, but in that respect, you serve one purpose. In a world of status-quo seeking family men who live in fear and denial, you demonstrate the difference between obnoxious trolls, marginalized reformers and the insane since birth.
You have never known sanity, and will not be able to feel your way back to it even if you choose to seek it. You only add more detail to your maniacal obsession, and try even harder to block out your responsibility to genuinely feel the needs of those around you.
I can genuinely see why you embrace God. Your life is built around exploiting those who would have faith in your recovery. That is a failure on their part as well.
The real epiphany of Christian doctrine, as I see it, is to know when to walk away from the damned.
Is that all?
Go on, don't stop...

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#62075 Nov 30, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> If you don't mind you are stupid.
In his works, he gave us an insight on the closeness of old English to modern German.
And he also made mention of old English having a closer relationship with modern German than modern English.
Until then, keep babbling.
First of all, he did not necessarily say that old english was "close" to german. He only said that old english was *more* similar to german than modern english is to german. This makes sense, since the english language has evolved very rapidly while the german language has stayed closer to it's original form. He did not say that modern german speakers could understand old english speakers, you idiot.

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#62076 Nov 30, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> If you are too blind to see that, it is up to you.
Modern English sprang up from old English but it also had influences from several other European and world languages. This is the reason why old English is different from the modern English.
That old English is similar to modern German than to modern English.
Modern English is a construction work, unique to England.
I thought your claim was that modern german speakers could understand old english speakers? Moving the goal posts?

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Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#62077 Nov 30, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
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Really? Strange how the rest of the scientific world does not agree with your conclusion. Creationism taught in Ivy League universities? Nope. Creaationism taught in Oxford, Cambridge and London unversities? Nope. Creationism taught at the Sorbonne? Nope. Creationism taught in Berlin, Munich, Heidelburg universities? Nope. The list is endless.
Hot news for you - sticking your fingers in your ears and trilling "la, la, la, can't hear what I don't like" will not change mainstream science. But please don't stop - it's giving me loads of laughs. Oh, btw, it's spelt waffle - at least try to get that right if you want to wear out the word.
Oh you mean how the majority of well credentialled researchers woffled on about about their junk dna, single celled LUCA, human knuckle walking ancestry, brain size to bipedalism, functionless vestigial organs etc and there were proven to be idiots.

The hot and obvious news for you dweebette is that you have woffled on with BS with not a shred of science to even challenge let alone refute me.

La la la is more applicable to idiots with big attitudes that cannot articulate an appropriate response. OH! That would be you!

You evos can't even mount an appropriate reply. It is like debating with year 9 students.

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#62078 Nov 30, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
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You don't believe in brain scans?
Ofcourse, i do. People do imagine things they thought over, before going to bed. But there are many things one could not have had in mind, but he will definitely see them while dreaming or in revelation.

“Ignore the trolls”

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Since: Oct 08

Southampton, UK

#62079 Nov 30, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh and I suppose all the quackery around junk dna and human knucklewalking delusion is not learned.
You evos are inculcated into the faith at a young age.
By the time evos are of adult age they are unable to distinguish a human from a bunch of apes like any child is able to do with ease.
Evos will then argue their taxonomic woffle, jump up and down and stomp their feet and struggle in insisting that humans are apes.
Ape is not even a taxonomic term.
Here is John Hawkes an evolutionary proffessor and teacher of biology.
I resolve this problem by recognizing that neither "ape" nor "monkey" is a taxonomic term. We have good terms for the monophyletic groups -- "hominoids" are apes + humans, "anthropoids" are apes + humans + monkeys. We can recognize that apes are not monkeys (because they aren't), and we can recognize in the same way that humans are not apes (because we aren't).
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/topics/phylogeny/...
I'd say your faith, TOE is as equally learned. Let the faith continue because I like to see evos fall flat on their faces on a regular basis.
Such tosh needs repeated reposting for humour value. The problem is that you really believe this!

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#62080 Nov 30, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Your dishonesty knows no bounds. One vaccine, in 2009, had bad results, but still showed promise. It's 2012, and within that short 3 years, they have come a lot closer, but you don't care about that bit, you don't even want them to find a cure, because you would rather people die of a horrible disease than admit you don't know anything about the theory you are attempting to discredit.
Why don't you admit that you have a big atitude and so far have contributed nothing to this discussion at all and that includes your stupid backbone you tried to shove at me and failed miserably

The point is TOE has nothing to do with medicine and is not responsible for any medical advancements at all.

Toe is not a science. If surgery was based on TOE with all its instability and falsifications no one would survive.

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#62081 Nov 30, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't have a dog?
Don't forget, we are in the human's world.
Dogs or other animals can never be compared to humans.

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#62082 Nov 30, 2012
1. Creationist predictions are continuing to be validated with the expectation that 100% of the genome likely to be functional. This validation comes after evolutionists shoved junk dna down creos throats as proof TOE was true, there was no designer and creos were idiots. Now they scurry off in shame, suggest TOE never could make a prediction around non coding dna but creos can clearly see just whom the idiots really are!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketsc...

2. Creationists predictions are vestigial organs are continuing to be validated by evolutionists finding that these left over functionless organs do indeed have function. This validation comes after evolutionists found function in these organs and had to toddle off and redefine the definition of vestigial to reflect ‘a different’ function.
http://www.naturalnews.com/022914_appendix_gu...

3. Fossil evidence that is more in line with creationism then TOE. The Genesis account was the oldest account published that suggests the alignment of the fossil record from plant s to creatures of the sea, then land animals and lastly mankind. Evos were not the first to come up with this line up. Whales and birds are the only ones that evos have out of biblical alignment . Surprise, surprise they have been having trouble with these two ever since. Evos are still confused over whale bones found in strata dated to 290mya and have had to invent mythical theropods to wear a reversed hallux although not one single theropod ever found has modern avian feet. The data supports creationism and the woffle supports TOE.
http://www.ehow.com/list_7182299_fossils-foun...
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n68...

4. Beneficial mutations have an overwhelmingly negative effect due to epistasis. All the recent data supports this. Clearly this is evidence in support of creationism and an organisms inability to limitlessly adapt over billions of years. Evos have come up with many theoretical assumptions to explain this in evolutionary terms and why TOE is not falsified. Hence the data supports creationism and the woffle supports TOE.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...

5. All data suggests the genome is deteriorating. Again this is a creationist support demonstrating that adaptation is limited. Again evos have to toddle off and come up with some story and convoluted hypothesis as to why a deteriorating genome does not falsify TOE. The data supports creationism and the woffle supports TOE.
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/1...
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod...

6. Evolutionary supports are derived from arbitrary and pick a box morphological and genomic homology that changes like the wind and biased algorithmic magic that is no better than any algorithmic magic a creationists can provide. This is supported by an evolutionary history of falsifications, instability and change.
http://www.nature.com/news/studies-slow-the-h...

Above is what supporting ones view looks like. You evos should try it sometime.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

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#62083 Nov 30, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Why don't you admit that you have a big atitude and so far have contributed nothing to this discussion at all and that includes your stupid backbone you tried to shove at me and failed miserably
The point is TOE has nothing to do with medicine and is not responsible for any medical advancements at all.
Toe is not a science. If surgery was based on TOE with all its instability and falsifications no one would survive.
You don't know much about the medical industry, that's clear as day. All vaccines are dependent on the ToE, all of them. Flu vaccines are the most common one as an example, the ToE allows the medical companies to predict which flues will be prevalent that year, and thus they can make the vaccine for those flues to avoid unnecessary vaccinations, which would lead to the vaccines working less effectively.

You never responded to one simple question: What is the important, life dependent, function of the gallbladder?

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Since: Oct 08

Southampton, UK

#62084 Nov 30, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh you mean how the majority of well credentialled researchers woffled on about about their junk dna, single celled LUCA, human knuckle walking ancestry, brain size to bipedalism, functionless vestigial organs etc and there were proven to be idiots.
The hot and obvious news for you dweebette is that you have woffled on with BS with not a shred of science to even challenge let alone refute me.
La la la is more applicable to idiots with big attitudes that cannot articulate an appropriate response. OH! That would be you!
You evos can't even mount an appropriate reply. It is like debating with year 9 students.
Dear ,dear, aren't we getting hot under the collar? Still spelling waffle wrongly I see - but you have proved the levels of your reading skills with your links. Notice that you do not address why no prestigious university, including Melbourne, Sydney and New South Wales teach creationism.

Top tip - calling DNA junk does not make it so - or is that too hard for you to comprehend?

So the vast majority of researchers don't agree with your view? Now there's a surprise - not! You have been given more than adequate evidence over these pages to refute the rubbish you post: indeed, you yourself have unwittingly provided it with several of the links you give (trouble is, you don't really understand them, do you?). Want to shut your eyes to it? Dig out - but don't expect us to try to educate you, two adages about horses (one concerning water, one concerning flogging) would seem applicable.

Dweebette? And you comment on anyone's maturity? Keep the laughs coming - you're a guinea a minute for the jokes. Btw, a tip on an argument: refuting a statement involves more than a "it's not me, it's you" approach - might work in a playground , but not very convincing for adults.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#62085 Nov 30, 2012
MazHere wrote:
1. Creationist predictions are continuing to be validated with the expectation that 100% of the genome likely to be functional.
So, what predictions does creationism offer for how to cure a disease? I mean, besides splashing goat's blood.

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#62086 Nov 30, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
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I'm sure his advanced age had nothing to do with that at all.
Find out. Most of the causes of deaths in both the young, the middle aged and the old, are caused by bitterness, betrayal and frustration, etc.

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#62087 Nov 30, 2012
MazHere wrote:
[Edited to save you embarrassment]
Above is what supporting ones view looks like. You evos should try it sometime.
No, this is what a selection of websites with articles written thereon look like. Mixture in there of those supporting evolution and fringe blogs with no empirical value. Not terribly good at this research lark, are you? Tsh, tsh, when you have learnt to read, you might then be able to work on your research skills.

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#62088 Nov 30, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Find out. Most of the causes of deaths in both the young, the middle aged and the old, are caused by bitterness, betrayal and frustration, etc.
What utter balderdash. Most causes of death are disease, accident, old age and war. What a very strange person you are.

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Southampton, UK

#62089 Nov 30, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you admit that you have a big atitude and so far have contributed nothing to this discussion at all and that includes your stupid backbone you tried to shove at me and failed miserably
The point is TOE has nothing to do with medicine and is not responsible for any medical advancements at all.
Toe is not a science. If surgery was based on TOE with all its instability and falsifications no one would survive.
Wonderful - more laughs. You really should go on the stage. Problem is that there, you hope people will laugh with you, rather than at you.

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Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#62090 Nov 30, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Such tosh needs repeated reposting for humour value. The problem is that you really believe this!
The problem with you is that you are too simple to refute me.

That, lovey, is the proof in the pudding.

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#62091 Nov 30, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope – look up the meaning
Your interpretation is irrelevant to the fact that faith is nothing more than belief, it’s in the mind, it’s not real and calling faith reality amounts to lying to yourself. Thank you for proving my point
Nope. You don't have a point.
The work of science is a work of faith. And we know that faith is something one is hoping for, but not yet seen. When that thing are finally seen, it becomes reality.
Inventions, technologies, etc, are some good examples.

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Everton, Australia

#62092 Nov 30, 2012
MazHere wrote:
1. Creationist predictions are continuing to be validated with the expectation that 100% of the genome likely to be functional. This validation comes after evolutionists shoved junk dna down creos throats as proof TOE was true, there was no designer and creos were idiots. Now they scurry off in shame, suggest TOE never could make a prediction around non coding dna but creos can clearly see just whom the idiots really are!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketsc...
2. Creationists predictions are vestigial organs are continuing to be validated by evolutionists finding that these left over functionless organs do indeed have function. This validation comes after evolutionists found function in these organs and had to toddle off and redefine the definition of vestigial to reflect ‘a different’ function.
http://www.naturalnews.com/022914_appendix_gu...
3. Fossil evidence that is more in line with creationism then TOE. The Genesis account was the oldest account published that suggests the alignment of the fossil record from plant s to creatures of the sea, then land animals and lastly mankind. Evos were not the first to come up with this line up. Whales and birds are the only ones that evos have out of biblical alignment . Surprise, surprise they have been having trouble with these two ever since. Evos are still confused over whale bones found in strata dated to 290mya and have had to invent mythical theropods to wear a reversed hallux although not one single theropod ever found has modern avian feet. The data supports creationism and the woffle supports TOE.
http://www.ehow.com/list_7182299_fossils-foun...
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n68...
4. Beneficial mutations have an overwhelmingly negative effect due to epistasis. All the recent data supports this. Clearly this is evidence in support of creationism and an organisms inability to limitlessly adapt over billions of years. Evos have come up with many theoretical assumptions to explain this in evolutionary terms and why TOE is not falsified. Hence the data supports creationism and the woffle supports TOE.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...
5. All data suggests the genome is deteriorating. Again this is a creationist support demonstrating that adaptation is limited. Again evos have to toddle off and come up with some story and convoluted hypothesis as to why a deteriorating genome does not falsify TOE. The data supports creationism and the woffle supports TOE.
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/1...
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod...
6. Evolutionary supports are derived from arbitrary and pick a box morphological and genomic homology that changes like the wind and biased algorithmic magic that is no better than any algorithmic magic a creationists can provide. This is supported by an evolutionary history of falsifications, instability and change.
http://www.nature.com/news/studies-slow-the-h...
Above is what supporting ones view looks like. You evos should try it sometime.
I finally think you evos have realized that you cannot refute the above because it is irrefuteable. Now you are all in desperation mode.

The above post is based on factual data from your evolutionary reseachers and reflects the twoddle you have shoved at creos when in actual fact you were, and still are, peddling hubris.

How dare you delusionists suggest that we creos should accept any twoddle and flavour of the month these desperadoes come up with in blind faith, like you do?

You lot were simply parrotting your silly researchers and are still standing there with egg on your face with them. Congratulations!

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