Evolution vs. Creation

[Indy_Pendent]

Bat Foy wrote:

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I only doubt evolution how ever I do not doubt adaptation. I do not believe one species becomes another. I do believe a species will change so it can better survive its environment.

So what happens when you have many years of adaptation? In other words adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation and so on...

Could it be the original species would look much different evetually?

[Kong_]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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No Christian would back up evolution or the billion year old earth lies...

Radiometric Dating -- A Christian Perspective

Dr. Roger C. Wiens

More about the author:

Dr. Wiens received a bachelor's degree in Physics from Wheaton College and a PhD from the University of Minnesota, doing research on meteorites and moon rocks. He spent two years at Scripps Institution of Oceanography (La Jolla, CA) where he studied isotopes of helium, neon, argon, and nitrogen in terrestrial rocks. He worked seven years in the Geological and Planetary Sciences Division at Caltech, where he continued the study of meteorites and worked for NASA on the feasibility of a space mission to return solar wind samples to Earth for study. Dr. Wiens wrote the first edition of this paper while in Pasadena. In 1997 he joined the Space and Atmospheric Sciences group at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he has been in charge of building and flying the payload for the solar-wind mission, as well as developing new instruments for other space missions. He has published over twenty scientific research papers and has also published articles in Christian magazines. Dr. Wiens became a Christian at a young age, and has been a member of Mennonite Brethren, General Conference Baptist, and Conservative Congregational, and Vineyard denominations. He does not see a conflict between science in its ideal form (the study of God's handiwork) and the Bible, or between miracles on the one hand, and an old Earth on the other.

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html

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Upon careful reflection, and consideration of the evidence, I believe I'll accept Dr Wiens' position on the age of the earth rather than an apparently under-educated individual on the interwebz.

[Dogen]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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LOL>.....No not at all.....Earth at very very most is 20,000 years old....STOP THE LIES. Satan has ahold of your mind. He is telling you to spread his junk lies.

Sorry, there are multiple scientific methods to date the earth and they all come out to the same figure.

Your unsupported assertions cannot change reality.

[tony1003]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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Those methods come from satan...So yea they are lies.

Since, according to you, science comes from satan, I assume if you fall ill you do not consider visiting his spawn, the doctor?

[Dogen]

Bat Foy wrote:

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Science is not satan. Science just like the bible can be used by satan as a tool. When evil is in your heart satan uses men as tools. Science has done a lot of good healed a lot of sick people and saved lives. Science discovers things about the world around us. I only doubt evolution how ever I do not doubt adaptation. I do not believe one species becomes another. I do believe a species will change so it can better survive its environment.

Darwin believed the same thing.

Adaptation is one of the mechanisms of evolution.

[Dogen]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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Those methods come from satan...So yea they are lies.

If science comes from Satan then technology comes from satan as well.

So why are you typing on a tool of satan? I also bet you have a TV, a microwave oven and probably a cell phone. TOOLS OF SATAN! So you are satans follower just as much.

Say hello to your master Satan, for me.

[Bat Foy]

Indy_Pendent wrote:

<quoted text>So what happens when you have many years of adaptation? In other words adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation + adaptation and so on...

Could it be the original species would look much different evetually?

Man doesn't really need to adapt does it we change the world around us thus changing our environment. God created man not ape which at some later point became a man.

[Dogen]

tony1003 wrote:

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Since, according to you, science comes from satan, I assume if you fall ill you do not consider visiting his spawn, the doctor?

Horrors! Doctors use science AND technology. A satanic double whammy, Batman!

[Dogen]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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No all science...Just any science that lies about age of the Earth and stupid evolution....

Okay, the age of the earth is determined by physics, chemistry, geology, astronomy.
Evolution is determined by biology (genetics, evolution), anthropology, paleontology, chemistry and physics.

So, isn't that pretty much ALL of science?

Oh, and your doctor is probably well versed in biology, some genetics, chemistry, evolution, and some of those other satanic sciences.

AND you are still using tools of satan (technology developed by applying the above sciences) in the form of computers, the internet, cell phones, tv, gps, microwave ovens,........

Sounds like satan has the wool pulled over your eyes.

[ChristineM]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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I posted fact..THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH...Not your satan science.

Nope you posted what you believe, there is a MAJOR difference between that and FACT.

Fact can be verified, what you think can’t

Some small fragments of the babble can be verified, such as particular geography or people in the sidelines. The mains points and mains characters however cannot be verified, in fact some are known to be outright falsifications – I.e, lies

However as I have said you are welcome to you own beliefs.

[Elohim]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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No all science...Just any science that lies about age of the Earth and stupid evolution....

Translation: "Not the science I use, just the science I don't understand and won't bother to learn about".

[Anonymous]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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That million billion stuff is satans lies. 20,000 years old is the very very oldest the earth is. FACT.

The only fact here is that you obviously don't understand the definition of the word fact, a real fact would is that the earth is billions of years old

[Kong_]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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The Earth is less then 20,000 years old and man has not evolved from an ape....ANYTHING THAT SAYS DIFFERENT IS A LIE AND SATANS WORK.

"It is not necessarily impossible for human beings to fly, but it so happens that God did not give them the knowledge of how to do it. It follows, therefore, that anyone who claims that he can fly must have sought the aid of the devil. To attempt to fly is therefore sinful."

— Roger Bacon, thirteenth century Franciscan friar.

[Indy_Pendent]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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The Earth is less then 20,000 years old and man has not evolved from an ape....ANYTHING THAT SAYS DIFFERENT IS A LIE AND SATANS WORK.

Did you not grasp the obvious contradictions is your thought processes that Dogen pointed out or are you simply ignoring them?

You've been quite convincing about one thing; you've demonstrated how unreasonable faithful folks can be. How then can you convince those of us who value reason? Likewise, how can those of us who value reason, logic, skepticism, and free inquiry ever expect to have an intelligent conversation with someone who demonizes those values?

[Kong_]

Oh, NOES!

KWIK!!! KILL YOUR COMPUTER BEFORE IT"S TOO LATE!!!

http://wulfweard.blog.co.uk/2007/03/10/one_ve...

[Anonymous]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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LOL>.....No not at all.....Earth at very very most is 20,000 years old....STOP THE LIES. Satan has ahold of your mind. He is telling you to spread his junk lies.

Yesterday you seemed like one of the less extreme and more sensible Christians, but today you are ranting nonsense like a crazy man, what's up with that man

[Bat Foy]

Constitution-lover wrote:

<quoted text>The Earth is less then 20,000 years old and man has not evolved from an ape....ANYTHING THAT SAYS DIFFERENT IS A LIE AND SATANS WORK.

The bible doesn't say how old the earth is. They added the generations from Adam and Eve to Noah from Noah to Jesus and added 2000 years. That is wrong it doesn't take into account things like how long the "void" earth sat here before God started creating or how long Adam and Eve lived in the garden before they sinned and were cast out. It also does not take into account the years between the time they were cast out and the birth of Cain
and Abel. When you read the story of Cain and Abel you will see that God sent Cain away after he killed Abel and Cain was afraid that the people in the land God was sending him would kill him. So God places a mark on his head so that no man would kill him. This indicates Adam and Eve had been around long enough have a lot of babies.

[Indy_Pendent]

Bat Foy wrote:

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The bible doesn't say how old the earth is. They added the generations from Adam and Eve to Noah from Noah to Jesus and added 2000 years. That is wrong it doesn't take into account things like how long the "void" earth sat here before God started creating or how long Adam and Eve lived in the garden before they sinned and were cast out. It also does not take into account the years between the time they were cast out and the birth of Cain
and Abel. When you read the story of Cain and Abel you will see that God sent Cain away after he killed Abel and Cain was afraid that the people in the land God was sending him would kill him. So God places a mark on his head so that no man would kill him. This indicates Adam and Eve had been around long enough have a lot of babies.

You're going to ridicule someone else for accepting shotty mathematics on the basis of faith whilst in the same breath you show your acceptance of an ancient fairy tale's account of early humans and impossibly long life spans? Nice.

[Indy_Pendent]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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6 total days it took God from start of universe to all living things done. What God did with Cain was painted him black so he look like the savage subhuman blacks. Only White people are Gods chosen or human as it were.

Oh boy.

At least your being consistent in your ignorance. Hats off to you.

[Bat Foy]

Constitution-lover wrote:

<quoted text>6 total days it took God from start of universe to all living things done. What God did with Cain was painted him black so he look like the savage subhuman blacks. Only White people are Gods chosen or human as it were.

Ok and that racist crap doesn't fly because Jesus was a Jew NOT WHITE YES GOD CHOSE THE JEWS NOT WHITES. You sir are an idiot and I feel sorry for you. Just in case you were wondering I'm a very white guy. This is a discussion on faith vs evolution I'm sure you can find a nice neo nazi thread around here some where.