Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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<quoted text>Depends on who or what your god is. Since you capitalize it you are likely following the christian one, all of the myths about that one have already been addressed and demonstrated to be inaccurate, often completely wrong, in most cases, the few that were not are nothing more than historical events with pixie dust.The few "prophecies" that came true are akin to saying "it's going to rain in Seattle sometime in the near future" as a prophecy, it's going to happen and anyone with half a brain and some observational skills would know it would. I really wish you had not bought into that con, you have curiosity, and that's the one trait we need to have more of in humanity again, we need to restore our curiosity, but your religious beliefs are devised in a way to quell that curiosity, and make you doubt reality instead of the delusion.
My faith doesn't make me unwilling to learn. It gives me freedom from sin. Evolution isn't sinful. Removing God from his creation is. Faith is just a part of who I am like an arm or a leg. I was once a very mean person I drank to much spent a lot of time in jail I was a thief and a liar. When I was at my lowest point God found me when no one else would have me God accepted me he has answered so many of my prayers it goes so far beyond mathematical probability. When I say I have first hand knowledge of God I mean what I say not some guy told me about Jesus and now I have his knowledge.

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According to the bible Adam was still live when Noah was born so maybe God flooded the earth because evolution went wild and he had to cover up the ape kids of Adam and Eve. Or a more logical thought here God created what he wanted to the way he wanted to and he used a similar blue print when creating man as he did when creating apes. A grass hut is a building so is a skyscraper they're same no but they're both buildings. A jumbo jetliner is an airplane so is a biplane same idea but not the same.
Your point shows a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution. Your example of "ape kids" is one of hybridization. I am not aware of any human and ape hybrids and hybridization in this instance can't occur for a number of reasons, but hybridization is not a very good mechanism of evolution. In most cases the hybrids are sterile or have some traits that reduce their fitness.

Why is it more logical? A being for which you can't prove the existence of portrayed creating man in a story that has questionable validity seems more logical than the facts unearthed by archaeology, history, paleontology, biology, genetics, geology, molecular biology and ecology?
You are probably right, yours is the more logical story.

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<quoted text>Why do fundie Christians give a hoot what the Mayans have to say?
I have no idea why anyone cares about that. I just figured the guy writing the calendar got hand cramps and died.

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<quoted text>Evolution is not goal-directed. There is no "forwards" or "backwards". There is only change and the passage of time.
It was a joke guy

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<quoted text>However, using this excuse you destroy your mythology completely, so why follow it at all? Why not hold out until something that's demonstrable appears? Why pervert your mythology and scientific data to make it all fit in such a haphazard way as to make both meaningless? We also know that there was no world wide flood.
I wouldn't know about a world wide anything at the time of the flood. Unless all the land was connected at the time how would some of the animals gotten to Noah in the first place. Maybe at the time of the flood people hadn't spread out so far as to need a world flood just a really big flood. Maybe their was a world floor and. Massive earth quake that separated the land masses.
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According to the bible Adam was still live when Noah was born so maybe God flooded the earth because evolution went wild and he had to cover up the ape kids of Adam and Eve. Or a more logical thought here God created what he wanted to the way he wanted to and he used a similar blue print when creating man as he did when creating apes. A grass hut is a building so is a skyscraper they're same no but they're both buildings. A jumbo jetliner is an airplane so is a biplane same idea but not the same.
I see nothing logical in this.
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My faith doesn't make me unwilling to learn. It gives me freedom from sin. Evolution isn't sinful. Removing God from his creation is.
Then all science is sin, as not one single field of science invokes any God of any kind.
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It was a joke guy
Then we need Wolvie.
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I wouldn't know about a world wide anything at the time of the flood. Unless all the land was connected at the time how would some of the animals gotten to Noah in the first place. Maybe at the time of the flood people hadn't spread out so far as to need a world flood just a really big flood. Maybe their was a world floor and. Massive earth quake that separated the land masses.
The landmasses were already separated long before humans appeared on the scene. Otherwise if we are to be generous, calling the flood a local event would be your best bet. Separating the landmasses after humans arrived is a good way to destroy all life on Earth.
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The early period of human history is said to be the Stone Age by Darwinist, but the Bible tells us there were giants in those days and Noah fashioned an ark with a window and a door and it had three stories. I don't think an apelike caveman could have done such a thing. The first humans must have had good understanding with a high mental capacity. I have seen studies that indicate aptitude may have decreased from the first man.

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My faith doesn't make me unwilling to learn. It gives me freedom from sin. Evolution isn't sinful. Removing God from his creation is. Faith is just a part of who I am like an arm or a leg. I was once a very mean person I drank to much spent a lot of time in jail I was a thief and a liar. When I was at my lowest point God found me when no one else would have me God accepted me he has answered so many of my prayers it goes so far beyond mathematical probability. When I say I have first hand knowledge of God I mean what I say not some guy told me about Jesus and now I have his knowledge.
Evolution really doesn't remove God from creation. Evolution is just what is seen when you look at all the evidence.

If you feel you are a better person because of your faith that is great, but your faith or any other should not be the basis for science. Science doesn't care about religion, politics, geography or national boundries.

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The early period of human history is said to be the Stone Age by Darwinist, but the Bible tells us there were giants in those days and Noah fashioned an ark with a window and a door and it had three stories. I don't think an apelike caveman could have done such a thing. The first humans must have had good understanding with a high mental capacity. I have seen studies that indicate aptitude may have decreased from the first man.
The Stone Age was coined by archeologists if I am not mistaken. It refers to the level of technology possessed by those peoples. Biblical times were in what is known as the Bronze Age.

What do giants referenced in the Bible have to do with anything? How tall were they? What was the average adult height at the time? Good understanding of what? What studies were these? How did they quantify aptitude? How were they able to quantify the aptitude of the "first man?" If aptitude is decreasing, then how come science and technology are increaseing?
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Anyone who calls themselves Christians should believe Noah existed because Jesus mentioned him.

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Anyone who calls themselves Christians should believe Noah existed because Jesus mentioned him.
...or, at least the people writing about Jesus (minimum 60 yrs after His supposed death) SAID Jesus mentioned Noah.

....at least thats what those persons that EDITED the books that became the Bible (cir 1300's?) said that those writers of the books of the Bible said!
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...or, at least the people writing about Jesus (minimum 60 yrs after His supposed death) SAID Jesus mentioned Noah.
....at least thats what those persons that EDITED the books that became the Bible (cir 1300's?) said that those writers of the books of the Bible said!
Yes, and it a miracle that we have the Bible.

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<quoted text>...or, at least the people writing about Jesus (minimum 60 yrs after His supposed death) SAID Jesus mentioned Noah.

....at least thats what those persons that EDITED the books that became the Bible (cir 1300's?) said that those writers of the books of the Bible said!
http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d740101.htm

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<quoted text>Yes, and it a miracle that we have the Bible.
....written by simple,(comparatively) ignorant, ancient shepards, based upon even earlier oral traditions?
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....written by simple,(comparatively) ignorant, ancient shepards, based upon even earlier oral traditions?
Written very very painstakingly.....

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<quoted text>Yes, and it a miracle that we have the Bible.
No miracle. Most current religions have a sacred text or texts. What would be a miracle is for people to realize that it is not the absolute word of God, but a book translated through a dozen languages during its development with material based on previous religions and stories from other cultures and the fnial copy we have has had the contents cherry picked with what is included. That would be a true miracle.

I was raised in a Southern Baptist church and then a United Methodist Church. Growing up under this tutelage, I found that a literal interpretation of the Bible was often at odds with the facts, was rigid and regressive and often led to contradictions in its understanding. A strict interpretation of the Bible is not a prerequiste for belief in God. The Bible is full of a lot of wisdom, but as any text written by men, is not without error. God doesn't want blind fools that never grow or develop and that is what a literal interpretation creates.

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<quoted text>Written very very painstakingly.....
Not anymore than anything else written by man. Some parts less so than others.

That is just wishful thinking or denial.

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