Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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phaines

Big Bear Lake, CA

#61474 Nov 28, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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Could be why there were no earthquakes 2 or 3 hundred years ago and earlier, before we were extracting oil from the earth.
....Oh...wait....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-20808...
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#61475 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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What is funny is the THEORY of evolution is being forced on us as fact. Yet when faced with the FACT of the Bible these same people say the facts lie and there THEORY should be law...SAD. Satan is smart....and people are dumb.
How right you are!

“That's just MY opinion...”

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#61477 Nov 28, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
LOL. I'm actually a genetics major. What's your cred?
Also, how about instead of telling ME to do research to prove that YOU are correct, you point me to some article that indicates such, rather than using conclusory statements, which basically amount to you saying I am are wrong, and you are right, without using any facts or data to support your position?
Degree in Biology and Zoology.

Just look beyond ENCODE's hyperbolic news release(s):

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-enco...

http://blogs.nature.com/news/2012/09/fighting...

http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/...

There is more to the story than "80% FUNCTIONAL!"

Level 8

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#61478 Nov 28, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Yo Sublime.
A genetics major? Double Fine was unaware.
What was said argument about?
Hey wassup?

Yes, I was. I worked in a research lab during college and shortly before graduation realized that I did not want to get an advanced degree and do that sort of thing for the rest of my life. I wasn’t really sure what I wanted to do at that point. However, I had a roommate who was planning on going down the road I eventually took and he suggested I would be good at it and that I look into doing the same. I figured why not. Unlike college, I buckled down in graduate school, stopped going out all the time and partying, applied myself, got good grades, and here I am today.

The argument was over junk DNA. I was trying to explain that more recent research is demonstrating that this DNA is not junk, and instead plays an important role in gene regulation.
Recent research is suggesting that many genes are more like building blocks, that many species share in common. Junk DNA is more like an architect who ultimately shapes development. In much the same way that two buildings that use the same exact bricks, steel, and what not can look remarkably different simply because different architects designed the buildings, you can have two species that look remarkably different, not so much because their genes are different, but because so called Junk DNA controls when genes are turned on and turned off.

It’s still all very cutting edge, however. There is a lot we don’t know.

Since: Sep 12

United States

#61479 Nov 28, 2012
straa wrote:
<quoted text>You seem like a nice guy, we're not used to that from the creos on this forum, but that doesn't excuse people of being rude or insulting to you, those people are damaging the reputation of us evo supporters, so don't be put off by insults, we should know better
Thank you. While we don't agree on the origins of the universe I do try to remain respectful.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#61480 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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The earth is old atleast 12,000 maybe even 20,000 years old.
Closer to 4.5 Billion.
phaines

Big Bear Lake, CA

#61481 Nov 28, 2012

Since: Sep 12

United States

#61482 Nov 28, 2012
Indy_Pendent wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution requires an old earth. Geology confirms the earth is very old. Understanding geology and past life (which is what oil is a product of) helps us discover oil.

On a more vague point though, the scientific method is the underlying principle that unites all science, whether it be studying earths stratigraphy, creating medicines to treat diseases, manufacturing plastics from oil, or studying life's history on our planet. The scientific method remains consistent. You cannot remove it based on personal whims and still expect to be remain logically coherent.
I'm a Christian and I will never argue the age of earth even the bible is unclear on the age of earth. The bible says the earth was without form an the spirit of God moved over the face of the deep. This implies earth was here before god started creating anything. Than how long where Adam an eve in the garden making like the bunnies before they were banished? What was going on outside the garden during that time? That idea that we Christians spout about the earth only being 8k years old is bunk the proof is every where

Level 8

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#61484 Nov 28, 2012
Let me get this straight, I refer to an article that discusses the results of a five-year project that has been published on Wednesday across 30 papers in the journals Nature, Science, Genome Biology and Genome Research, you tell me I need to do research outside of an article that discusses a five-year project that has been published on Wednesday across 30 papers in the journals Nature, Science, Genome Biology and Genome Research, I ask you why you are making me do your work for you and why you don’t point me to this research, and you come back with nothing but BLOGS!!

Newsflash: Any moron with access to a computer and internet connection can have a blog. Just look at Ferrerman.:p

“America -God's Favorite Cuntry”

Since: Aug 12

Real America, USA

#61485 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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The earth is old atleast 12,000 maybe even 20,000 years old.
I agree. It as at least 12,000 years old. It may even be 4.5 billion years old.

“America -God's Favorite Cuntry”

Since: Aug 12

Real America, USA

#61486 Nov 28, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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So the men who wrote the bible can make mistakes because they're men and like you said even if inspired. Ill take the word of a man maybe being inspired by God. Than the word of some other man inspired by some other man being inspired by some other man writing a paper on evolution. Btw if evolution is correct you guys should use robin Williams as your missing link that dude has some massive hair.
Right, because the bible isn't an example of relying on the words of ther men....
Elohim

Branford, CT

#61488 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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LOL...Satans lies...20,000 at very very oldest. Facts dont change.
I see your education consisted exclusively of Chick Tracts.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#61489 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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That million billion stuff is satans lies. 20,000 years old is the very very oldest the earth is. FACT.
“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”

&#8213; Daniel Patrick Moynihan

“America -God's Favorite Cuntry”

Since: Aug 12

Real America, USA

#61490 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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That million billion stuff is satans lies. 20,000 years old is the very very oldest the earth is. FACT.
Call me crazy for asking, but do you have evidence for this 20000 year idea? Certainly it doesn't come from science.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#61491 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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When science goes againt God it is satanic. Evolution is a satan lie....
Nope – when science goes against got it is science – satan has bugger all to do with evidence and fact

Evolution is proven as factual, the evidence is overwhelming, the theory of evolution explains the fact. Because you don’t like that is no ones problem but your own. Denying such a proven fact is in itself lying and is it not christians who teach that satan is the father of lies.

And I see you still used you computer to communicate your belief

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#61492 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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What is funny is the THEORY of evolution is being forced on us as fact. Yet when faced with the FACT of the Bible these same people say the facts lie and there THEORY should be law...SAD. Satan is smart....and people are dumb.

I am confused. I don't know anyone who thinks, has been taught or would teach that the Theory of Evolution is a fact. Nor does anyone say that the Theory of Gravitation should be taught as a fact.

However, both the theories are founded on fact. Observable fact. So in common terms we would consider both gravity and evolution to be facts.

On the other hand, the Bible is not, per se, a book of fact. The bible is a collection of stories culled from an oral tradition. It contains both facts and non facts. This does not detract, in my opinion, from the Bible as a religious document.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#61493 Nov 28, 2012
Indy_Pendent wrote:
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Call me crazy for asking, but do you have evidence for this 20000 year idea? Certainly it doesn't come from science.
Bishop Usher?

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#61494 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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LOL...Satans lies...20,000 at very very oldest. Facts dont change.
4.5 billion, proven fact

20,000 or 10,000 or 8,000 or 6,000 lies, satanic lies of satan worshippers.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#61495 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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Again how is the science behind finding oil come from the SATANIC EVOLUTION JUNK SCIENCE...

Geology, lithology, plate tectonics, paleontology, stratigraphy, etc are what is needed to find old.

These fields of science also support evolution (directly or indirectly).

If science is "satanic", then why do we have scientists who are Christians?

If science is "satanic", then why do many church denominations support evolution and maintain that it is not an obstacle to faith in god?

If science is "satanic", then why have many ministers signed the clergy letter project and why did one of them start this site:
www.thankgodforevolution.com/
?


“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#61496 Nov 28, 2012
Indy_Pendent wrote:
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Call me crazy for asking, but do you have evidence for this 20000 year idea? Certainly it doesn't come from science.
It does not come from the babble either –

Bishop James Usher calculated it from the bible genealogies to October 23rd 4004 BC

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