Evolution vs. Creation

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#61368 Nov 27, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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The bible is and will remain unchanged. However if you ask Christians now if witch hunts or killing blacks or charging money to pray people into heaven oh or purification through pain I think you'll find religion has come a long way in the right direction. I also think that had Christians I mean the real ones had stood up and said NO that people would see Christ teaching for what it is and not some crazy mid evil thing. The church has made a lot of mistakes and so has science we are all learning and changing. Please don't take my last post as an attack on science what science does is great and it has its place I just see evolution as a future oops.
The problem, organisms evolve, they just do. There's no assertion that they do, we just see them evolve. The theory attempts to break down all the little bits and influences, yes it needs more work, it's not exact, but it is useful. Scientists don't even care about being right, they want to find things that work, and if it works they keep it until something that works better comes along, and the theory works, it explains enough of evolution and what's happening to help things make sense. Creationists want to counter it because they don't like things that oppose their limited world views, which is truly sad, actually. They are more afraid of something that works, just because they have to be right, so they can't accept that they just might be completely wrong. Evolution is the modern day theory of relativity, it's a unifying theory that has helped progress, and has challenged our species. Like the theory of relativity, the religious fanatics have to oppose it until enough of them pass on because it challenges their opinions, and replaces opinions and made up stories with facts, logic, and working models.

Seriously, when has a myth ever landed us on the Moon? Just something to ponder.

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#61370 Nov 27, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
Bat Foy, there is no way that evolution will ever be a scientific oops. Scientific oopses are actually very few and far between. The actual mistakes you hear of are usually claimed to be science or scientific by some, but in reality they aren't. Science follows some extremely strict rules these days to avoid major mistakes.

Evolution is supported by almost every branch of science there is. If evolution was wrong almost all sciences would be seriously wrong too. I just don't see it happening.
I see what you are saying and I'm not say evolution in it entirety would be the oops however I have tried just in the last 3 days to read all these links to different ideas and while the base idea has been close most try to prove the last one false. I understand this is part of the process. However the science behind evolution will most likely not come up with evidence that completely removes the possibility of God. Even if all evidence pointed to the existence of intelligent design science would still deny it is there. This is because the idea could not be reproduced by testing.

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#61371 Nov 27, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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That would be the christians.
Oh wait, the Greeks.
No, the Romans.
Oh, the Egyptians.
Yeah, then Incans.
Hmm, the Aztecs.
Certainly the Sumerians.
I'm runking ducked.
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#61372 Nov 27, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I see what you are saying and I'm not say evolution in it entirety would be the oops however I have tried just in the last 3 days to read all these links to different ideas and while the base idea has been close most try to prove the last one false. I understand this is part of the process. However the science behind evolution will most likely not come up with evidence that completely removes the possibility of God. Even if all evidence pointed to the existence of intelligent design science would still deny it is there. This is because the idea could not be reproduced by testing.
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#61373 Nov 27, 2012
So about what an Obama should take to heart as a no.1 of importance with Religion having been created further and Gods should stand set aside of so personnel or people should be the ruler in the Governing?

What are they saying? The crowd the masses of cities?

Species???

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#61374 Nov 27, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I see what you are saying and I'm not say evolution in it entirety would be the oops however I have tried just in the last 3 days to read all these links to different ideas and while the base idea has been close most try to prove the last one false. I understand this is part of the process. However the science behind evolution will most likely not come up with evidence that completely removes the possibility of God. Even if all evidence pointed to the existence of intelligent design science would still deny it is there. This is because the idea could not be reproduced by testing.
Nothing can remove the possibility of A god, but specific ones require evidence, as a specific god is an assertion and anyone with intelligence requires evidence to accept assertions that are made as answers to important questions. An honest answer is "I don't know," a dishonest one is "god dun it." By saying "god dun it" in any way you are making the assertion that you know, thus, to accept that assertion you must present evidence.

The greatest thing a scientist can discover is something they don't know, and they'll talk about that more than they'll discuss matters they do know, because the unknown is what excites them, and to us atheists it's commonly what excites us even if we are not scientists. It's curiosity, and it's something our species has denied for so long it's become habit for many to ignore their curiosity. Religion has to keep you from being curious because when you ask questions everything about the religion falls apart, because it was formed before things were known, and can't change to adapt to things learned or the con loses it's power, it's hold over the weak minds.

Intelligent design, creationism in other words, is not science, it has no theory, it has no evidence, it doesn't even have a proposal. All it ID has is a blind assertion that is three words long, "god dun it." Science doesn't deal with assertions.

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#61376 Nov 27, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing can remove the possibility of A god, but specific ones require evidence, as a specific god is an assertion and anyone with intelligence requires evidence to accept assertions that are made as answers to important questions. An honest answer is "I don't know," a dishonest one is "god dun it." By saying "god dun it" in any way you are making the assertion that you know, thus, to accept that assertion you must present evidence.

The greatest thing a scientist can discover is something they don't know, and they'll talk about that more than they'll discuss matters they do know, because the unknown is what excites them, and to us atheists it's commonly what excites us even if we are not scientists. It's curiosity, and it's something our species has denied for so long it's become habit for many to ignore their curiosity. Religion has to keep you from being curious because when you ask questions everything about the religion falls apart, because it was formed before things were known, and can't change to adapt to things learned or the con loses it's power, it's hold over the weak minds.

Intelligent design, creationism in other words, is not science, it has no theory, it has no evidence, it doesn't even have a proposal. All it ID has is a blind assertion that is three words long, "god dun it." Science doesn't deal with assertions.
First off hello and good to see you again. For people of faith how as you say "God dun it" doesn't matter for the most part we don't care how and for science how is all that matters. I do not have to see to believe and if by your point of view that makes me weak minded so be it. If evolution held all the answers we would not be having this talk on 4 or 5 threads through thousands of posts. I believe we hit the nail on the head so to speak when I said you can not debate faith. The gap between you and I is my faith if I didn't have it I'm sure I could believe as you do. Also the other side of that coin had you seen what I have I'm sure God wouldn't be such a far fetched idea to you

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#61377 Nov 27, 2012
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Evolutionary biology is a sub-field of biology concerned with the study of the evolutionary processes that have given rise to the diversity of life on Earth. Someone who studies evolutionary biology is known as an evolutionary biologist; evolutionary biologists study the descent of species and the origin of new species.

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#61378 Nov 27, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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First off hello and good to see you again. For people of faith how as you say "God dun it" doesn't matter for the most part we don't care how and for science how is all that matters. I do not have to see to believe and if by your point of view that makes me weak minded so be it. If evolution held all the answers we would not be having this talk on 4 or 5 threads through thousands of posts. I believe we hit the nail on the head so to speak when I said you can not debate faith. The gap between you and I is my faith if I didn't have it I'm sure I could believe as you do. Also the other side of that coin had you seen what I have I'm sure God wouldn't be such a far fetched idea to you
Evolution doesn't have any answers, it is an answer. Well, more of an event, it's only another name for change, and life always changes. The word was coined originally because people mistakenly thought there was direction involved in the change, that species were all heading toward some "goal" or another. Now we know they are not, they are just changing. Portions of the theory of evolution explain how some of these changes impact the organisms, and how the population is effected as well. Evolution itself just happens, the theory answers some of the how and why, and what effect, evolution has, and that's all it does. Evolution, nothing in science, is a belief, it's just an explanation for something, nothing more. You don't believe in evolution, you just either ignore it, or learn what it is, just as you do with gravity, or technology.

If you want to learn science you must discard the notion of belief entirely, they are completely unrelated to each other and belief will interfere. You can keep your fanciful stories, you just can't expect science, or reality, to fit those stories, ever. I cannot explain it any more simplistically, but until you can understand the basics of science, you will never understand why evolution is important to the modern era. Without understanding how and why organisms evolve, why they change, how the change effects them, most of our medical science would not exist.

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#61379 Nov 27, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Evolution doesn't have any answers, it is an answer. Well, more of an event, it's only another name for change, and life always changes. The word was coined originally because people mistakenly thought there was direction involved in the change, that species were all heading toward some "goal" or another. Now we know they are not, they are just changing. Portions of the theory of evolution explain how some of these changes impact the organisms, and how the population is effected as well. Evolution itself just happens, the theory answers some of the how and why, and what effect, evolution has, and that's all it does. Evolution, nothing in science, is a belief, it's just an explanation for something, nothing more. You don't believe in evolution, you just either ignore it, or learn what it is, just as you do with gravity, or technology.
If you want to learn science you must discard the notion of belief entirely, they are completely unrelated to each other and belief will interfere. You can keep your fanciful stories, you just can't expect science, or reality, to fit those stories, ever. I cannot explain it any more simplistically, but until you can understand the basics of science, you will never understand why evolution is important to the modern era. Without understanding how and why organisms evolve, why they change, how the change effects them, most of our medical science would not exist.
Growth; is all a bit like planting something and watch it *become* like plant-life...?
What Science should be is a nurture a care and then when it's healthy through that then branches will grow to a Political view to the world Growth means and has always been connected with age?

Time?

If there was none of it there wouldn't be any evolving and to have used spent time used it to wisdom and spent it to use that wisdom to Science that would be something bright OH AN IDEA to what can be created...

Hmmmmm? Kinda like that?

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#61380 Nov 27, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Where is Subduction Zone? I am still out to demonstate earns his points with woffle.
Finally he has actually had a go at providing more than his opinion.
The sad fact is that if Subby actually researched his claims prior to posting he would have very quickly learned that his assumption in relation to 'neutral' mutations being the more numerous was very incorrect and has never been a scientific assertion, ever.
So not only is Subby outdated, he actually makes up his own science as he goes along, and likely thinks every one here is too stupid to notice.
Evolutionists have not presented evidence to support the hypothesis that adaptation can carry on for billions of years without limit, let alone not succuming to the costs. Recent data is more suggestive of limits rather than anything else.
You evos have bombed out on so much, junk dna, vestigial organs, ervs, chromosome 2, fossil evidence that better aligns with creationism, creos having no evidence to present etc. Now you lot are going to have a fantastic time with me demonstrating that this adaptation you insist is evolution in motion is limitless and can be supported. Surely you have some algorithmic magic to support your view here. There is algorithmic magic to support just about anything including contradictory views. That is the beauty of evolutionary science.
For now I am still waiting for Subby to show us all how evo algorithmic magic is better than Sanfords.
Yes, but how about the rings of debris around Uranus?

They do prove alot.

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#61381 Nov 27, 2012
Tinka wrote:
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Growth; is all a bit like planting something and watch it *become* like plant-life...?
What Science should be is a nurture a care and then when it's healthy through that then branches will grow to a Political view to the world Growth means and has always been connected with age?
Time?
If there was none of it there wouldn't be any evolving and to have used spent time used it to wisdom and spent it to use that wisdom to Science that would be something bright OH AN IDEA to what can be created...
Hmmmmm? Kinda like that?
That would turn science into a religious or world view, and it cannot be useful in such a capacity. Science is a method of understanding the universe around us, it's a set of tools and methods for translating the universe into understandable laws, functions, and detailed explanations. Science can only be equated to a tool box full of tools, not a philosophy.

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#61382 Nov 27, 2012
What about the ring around Saturn...maybe it's a fast track honestly I think it may be some kind of an *Autobahn* designed of course for space-shipping and they do also play ping pong there the China Race LOL is there too multi racial of course ... called the Halo Way... Maybe it has life within I know the moon for sure you can enter into it...

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#61383 Nov 27, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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That would turn science into a religious or world view, and it cannot be useful in such a capacity. Science is a method of understanding the universe around us, it's a set of tools and methods for translating the universe into understandable laws, functions, and detailed explanations. Science can only be equated to a tool box full of tools, not a philosophy.
But to Knowledge do we not have to know the tools we have to use and then how do we use them?

I love the Universe don't you? Oh and also hasn't someone started some Science Religion, uh????

Yeah, right, or???? Sure of it...:)

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#61384 Nov 27, 2012
Tinka wrote:
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But to Knowledge do we not have to know the tools we have to use and then how do we use them?
I love the Universe don't you? Oh and also hasn't someone started some Science Religion, uh????
Yeah, right, or???? Sure of it...:)
There are a few religions that mock scientific study by using the label, yes, that does not make them based on science at all. Scientology is based entirely on a science fiction book, the author started the religion on a dare/bet.
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#61385 Nov 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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That would turn science into a religious or world view, and it cannot be useful in such a capacity. Science is a method of understanding the universe around us, it's a set of tools and methods for translating the universe into understandable laws, functions, and detailed explanations. Science can only be equated to a tool box full of tools, not a philosophy.
Science can be ssed for good and bad ans so is Religions.

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#61386 Nov 28, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Science can be ssed for good and bad ans so is Religions.
Erm, religion is almost always used for bad, especially organized theistic ones, those are just pure bad.

Science can only be used to learn, it's what we learn that can be used for "good" or "bad," to use your inaccurate terminology.

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#61387 Nov 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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There are a few religions that mock scientific study by using the label, yes, that does not make them based on science at all. Scientology is based entirely on a science fiction book, the author started the religion on a dare/bet.
That is what I heard but then what's in a belief to believe, I suppose for many that is the drive to see what a *will if could be thing* may be happens especially amongst da man...

Hubbard was the guy right L. Ron from what I had read he actually though thought of a lot of the things more in depth to real thought of a what if again to men? That maybe some ordeal really major to the all righteous world view of things? Prior though to having put it out there to become something such as a Religion...I mean who knows maybe at one point it will faulter all ...we will all hold either claim to our own in some way to become either a GOD a KING well Queens Lords etc. to what one would think one would could have been at one time...Or we could all become zilch nothing seems though as far as we have come there is something out there that is on top of things behind a backing that which seems to just have rights to be part of existing...Plain as that and simple to the complications and what's confronting merely the views that many have keep and hold onto?

All I know I think I would be satisfied with a Baron:)...Tired...nighty night sleep well see you later..

But the true fun in Freedom that no one has to go insane trying to convince anyone of anything it's in our believe to some peace is welcomed and war to a warrior...We don't fight in such way no more not any longer anyway....

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#61388 Nov 28, 2012
Religion really it has it's ways to stand for the creep vile pervert in men sad to say but I agree with that all the way...

They need that a Son and a Mother and they are the one's mostly to blame???

To daughters as well and the other son was Satan he was bad major mess-up and a loser>? I guess the Mother the royal Biatch and the other known for the saving till they busted in so deep and then he will be the all time charger for the right so menkind doesn't have to do a thing Jesus then he will mend the things don't turn in anything...That's the word amongst the peeps of Religion...
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#61389 Nov 28, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>I repeat as usual, read the book of Cyril Babaev titled, Old English Grammar. That book is on the internet. Just type his name, and every needed information will be opened to you. Until then, keep dancing, loser.
Yes, you repeat as usual.

Thanks for sharing. Bless His noodley love of us all. rAMEN!

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