Evolution vs. Creation

[Drew Smith]

Charles Idemi wrote:

Pride goes before destruction or a fall. You think you know or understand everything

Says the guy who won't admit that he is wrong when it is pointed out to him.

[KittenKoder]

Constitution-lover wrote:

<quoted text>Drive by fact.

Then you have not been paying much attention.

[Bat Foy]

KittenKoder wrote:

<quoted text>By your belief you didn't make the kids, and they are not yours, they belong to your god. That means, you should not be raising them at all but should instead be slaves for your god.

I am a willing servant of God not a slave. I choose to raise my children the way I believe Pleases God and one day my kids that God has given and trusted me to care for will either choose to also serve him or they won't. Based on your post you know nothing about the facts of God the freedom that a life of faith provides and the hope of a future you are unwilling to try and understand.

[The Dude]

Bat Foy wrote:

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The way God made everything doesn't matter to me. Arguing the beginning is as pointless as debating the end. I don't believe God took more than 6 days to make everything as we see it now. I think The Bible gives the info we need to live a life for God. It isn't a tech manual for scientific debate. In the first chapter of genesis the difference of day and night is established from sunrise to sunset is a day. Moses said God said he did it in 6 days who am I to say he didn't. I don't know how nor do I need to know. Maybe it was just the way God explained it to Moses so he would understand. The Bible says nothing about dinosaurs however how can anyone deny they were here?

Ask the fundies. They're the ones who say stupid things like man and dinos walked together. Kinda like the Flinstones.

[KittenKoder]

Bat Foy wrote:

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I am a willing servant of God not a slave. I choose to raise my children the way I believe Pleases God and one day my kids that God has given and trusted me to care for will either choose to also serve him or they won't. Based on your post you know nothing about the facts of God the freedom that a life of faith provides and the hope of a future you are unwilling to try and understand.

You love making blind assertions, since I know different than you, you assume that I don't know. Tell us, why is it that you go to the doctor?

[The Dude]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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How so. God is king and creator of all things. You atheist slugs will fry in hell for all eternity. I will be in heaven to worship God for all eternity. MY ETERNITY SURE SOUNDS BETTER THEN YOURS..
Think about it....If your wrong you will suffer.....It is so very easy to accept God into your heart and follow his word. Why take the chance.

Oh, so God personally appointed you as his official mouth-piece and empowered you with the ability to send whom you like up or down when we bite the big one? Or are you just another fundie with a big mouth who thinks his baseless religious opinions are relevant?(shrug)

[KittenKoder]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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How so. God is king and creator of all things. You atheist slugs will fry in hell for all eternity. I will be in heaven to worship God for all eternity. MY ETERNITY SURE SOUNDS BETTER THEN YOURS..
Think about it....If your wrong you will suffer.....It is so very easy to accept God into your heart and follow his word. Why take the chance.

Pascal's wager? Seriously? What if you're wrong about Zeus? What if you're wrong about Anpu? What if you're wrong about .... oh this is just getting old.

Your chances of being "correct": 1 in 1x10^1000
My chance of being "correct": 1 in 1x10^1000

Notice something?

[Bat Foy]

KittenKoder wrote:

<quoted text>Then why is some god not sitting on the court bench?

Do you really want God to judge you now? Not the way man would but by the measure a perfect God would judge. I don't even want that and I've been a Christian for 15 years.

[The Dude]

bohart wrote:

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Thanks for the link, it was informative and enlightening. What I found interesting were the comments about the theory in the article. No one questioned the physics or math behind the Temple Smoller theory, the science per se, yet they were uncomfortable with it, why? Quote from the article.".. to say such an idea unnerves many modern cosmologists would be an understatement". Or take this quote, that the theory was," philosophically disconcerting" The same denial and philosophical angst is all through this thread from the evo puddle gooist crowd.

Really? That must be why you run away every time you're faced with inconvenient reality then.(shrug)

[Bat Foy]

KittenKoder wrote:

<quoted text>You love making blind assertions, since I know different than you, you assume that I don't know. Tell us, why is it that you go to the doctor?

Personally I take tons of vitamin c I don't get sick very often but when I do need a new inhaler I go to the doc. I really don't get why you asked I'm a Christian not a moron. I believe God gives us all a talent some people are doctors some cops and on and on. As a matter of fact Luke was a doctor and wrote part of the bible.

[KittenKoder]

Bat Foy wrote:

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Do you really want God to judge you now? Not the way man would but by the measure a perfect God would judge. I don't even want that and I've been a Christian for 15 years.

But if humans cannot judge, then why did your god "allow" courts to be developed at all? If your god's laws are so perfect, why did they change? How did humanity survive so long without them? Why don't you follow those laws to the letter, if they're so perfect?

[KittenKoder]

Jim wrote:

The universe will be here;
500000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000
years after the bible people who wrote the bible thought small. Evolution has been happening;
500000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000
years before the bible. And will continue;
500000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000
after the bible and theres not a dam thing your God can do about it.

Large numbers, you'll make their heads explode and then we'll have to clean it up again.

[Subduction Zone]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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None of those man made gods are real. If your wrong it will be bad...Why take the risk?

That is called Pascal's wager and has been shown to be wrong long ago.

You are in effect saying that your god is an idiot.

Which man made god do you think that we should believe in?

[Subduction Zone]

KittenKoder wrote:

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But if humans cannot judge, then why did your god "allow" courts to be developed at all? If your god's laws are so perfect, why did they change? How did humanity survive so long without them? Why don't you follow those laws to the letter, if they're so perfect?

You admitted that large numbers would make their heads explode and yet you expect them to understand logic?

Very naughty of you.

My prediction?

Clean up in aisle 4!!!!

[KittenKoder]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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God made it all. He has been here since the dawn of time and will be here long after time ends. CANT CHANGE FACTS.

Facts can be proven, where is your proof?

[Generals General]

MazHere wrote:

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Take this for instance.. Earth at the centre of the universe and no need for the mystery of dark energy that is meant to account for 96% of the matter of the universe and you know nothing about.
To say that such an idea unnerves many modern cosmologists would be an understatement. Modern cosmology takes as an article of faith that the Earth is nothing special. It’s called the Copernican Principle, named after Copernicus who concluded that the Sun and not the Earth was the center of our solar system. In modern science, Earth and the area around it is not allowed to be special or “favored” in any way compared to the rest of space — and it is certainly not allowed to be the center of the universe.
But Temple & Smoller’s theory suggests just such a thought.
Their shockwave has some things in its favor and some not so much so. For the former, the Earth-centered shockwave theory would also explain another phenomenon: the fact that Earth seems to be sitting in an odd “bubble of underdensity”— a region of the universe that doesn’t have much in it.
http://wallacegsmith.wordpress.com/2010/10/22...

The theory that Temple Smoller advocate is a stunning one that has immense implications for cosmology , science and mans place in the universe since earth being the center of the universe couldn't be accidental. Its strange that this theory isn't widely known .It's similar to the theories about the universes origin, creationists stated the universe had a beginning while science said it must be eternal. When the evidence came to light that it indeed had a beginning science proved the creationists right. Wouldn't it be ironic indeed if science has proved that the earth is the center of the universe?

[KittenKoder]

Subduction Zone wrote:

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You admitted that large numbers would make their heads explode and yet you expect them to understand logic?
Very naughty of you.
My prediction?
Clean up in aisle 4!!!!

Crap, I did it again. How are we suppose to prevent their heads from exploding without looking like total idiots?

[KittenKoder]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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Gods holy word is proof. Open your heart and it will tell you the truth.

No, that's an assertion. Now you have more work, now you have to not only prove your god exists, but that these words, written by human hands and human brains, are what this god actually says. That's a lot of evidence you need.

[Kong_]

Generals General wrote:

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The theory that Temple Smoller advocate is a stunning one that has immense implications for cosmology , science and mans place in the universe since earth being the center of the universe couldn't be accidental. Its strange that this theory isn't widely known .It's similar to the theories about the universes origin, creationists stated the universe had a beginning while science said it must be eternal. When the evidence came to light that it indeed had a beginning science proved the creationists right. Wouldn't it be ironic indeed if science has proved that the earth is the center of the universe?

Uh....since we cannot detect the EDGES of the universe, there is no way we can calculate the CENTER of the universe.

You will, of course, reply that science has shown that (most) all other galaxies are moving away from us. This is true,*BUT*(most)all other galaxies are moving away FROM EACH OTHER as well. So in that regard, EVERY galaxy could say THEY are the center of the Universe.

Or do you have a link that says different?

[KittenKoder]

Constitution-lover wrote:

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Think as you wish. It is your soul that will fry if you dont except God. I hope you did not raise any children. Sad if you did to know they will fry also.

Still ... more assertions and no evidence. Why can't you post some evidence?