Evolution vs. Creation

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“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#61095 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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THE BIBLE IS THE PROOF.....For thousands of years it has remained the same. Showing Gods hand on it.

The Diamond Sutra is older and it has remained the same showing Buddha's hand on it!

Epic of Gilgamesh predates Genesis and is where the flood story came from (word for word in some places). Obviously gods hand is on this pagan legend.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#61096 Nov 26, 2012
Generals General wrote:
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The theory that Temple Smoller advocate is a stunning one that has immense implications for cosmology , science and mans place in the universe since earth being the center of the universe couldn't be accidental. Its strange that this theory isn't widely known.
Probably because it's BS.(shrug)

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#61097 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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THE BIBLE IS THE PROOF.....For thousands of years it has remained the same. Showing Gods hand on it.
Again it is your soul. Burn for eternity or live in glory in heaven. Your choice.
Oha nd tell me what is so hard about being a Christian that you cant do it?
No, the bible is a bunch of assertions. I ask for proof and you just keep circling around with your assertions. Where is your evidence?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#61098 Nov 26, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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Uh....since we cannot detect the EDGES of the universe, there is no way we can calculate the CENTER of the universe.
You will, of course, reply that science has shown that (most) all other galaxies are moving away from us. This is true,*BUT*(most)all other galaxies are moving away FROM EACH OTHER as well. So in that regard, EVERY galaxy could say THEY are the center of the Universe.
Or do you have a link that says different?
He has a special decoder ring with personal link to the Almighty. That not good enough for ya?

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#61099 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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The Bible tells us it is the word of God. And my heart also tells me so. It has never been proven wrong....Please do tell me how your lies change the Bibles truths. I do care if yoru soul is lost. But I will serve and love God and be with him in heaven. Please turn from your sin and find Gods love and study his holy word.
More circular reasoning, you can't break free of your tiny little circle, can you? Then an appeal to emotion, that's new ... NOT. Yeah, you need to really catch up, a lot. Your arguments are old and outdated, part of the flaw of never changing.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#61101 Nov 26, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, you are a liar. You know it, I know it, the only fools you might put this over on are your fellow creatards.
That was not creationist work you linked. It does not support creationism in any way. The scientists working on it don't believe your nonsense.
It is a pretty sad state for your side when you have to steal and misrepresent the work of others.
By the way, how is that Blue Waffle of yours doing?
If you actually had any idea what you are talking about you would articulate an appropriate response to highlight the misrepresentation I have made to all.

If you actually had any idea what you were talking about you would lodge a considered response to my shallenge on Sanfords work.

Like I said before, you are the point leader because you post the most uneducated woffle.

The fact that you only ever offer vagueary and ridicule with nothing behind you is clear evidence that you wish you had something intelligent to refute me with but indeed the fact is that you don't.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#61102 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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Think as you wish. It is your soul that will fry if you dont except God. I hope you did not raise any children. Sad if you did to know they will fry also.
Really? Because creationists have a bad habit of lying their azz off for Jesus. Yet for some reason they think they can be complete aholes and get a free pass. Why do you think that is? Knowledge or hubris?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#61103 Nov 26, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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SubductionZone, How does the overwhelmingly negative effects of epitasis support TOE better than John's theory of gentic entropy?
3. Selection can’t stave off deterioration—there are a number of reasons for this:
http://advindicate.com/...
Actually I am keen for some evo to evoke those long lost research skills and find the usual banter that evos offer to refute Sanford. All that woffle was before recent work actually supports Sanfords work again.
The fact is there are not overwhelming negative effects of eptiasis. None has ever been shown to exist. Your linked article was debunked long ago, try to find something new.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#61104 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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Yes God is creator of all and his holy word the Bible tells us so. The Bible is all the proof anyone needs.
So your god is real because the Bible is true because the Bible sez so.
Constitution-lover wrote:
And your heart should tell you this if you open it up to Gods love.
Anyone who opens their heart will likely die from serious injuries. With the organ damaged in such a way your body will have great difficulty pumping blood and hence oxygen to the brain. Is this what you mean by getting to know God? Open your heart so you will die and get to meet the guy? Does God really require everyone commit suicide?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#61105 Nov 26, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Correct. I have been Touched by His Noodly Appendage! ALL HAIL THE FSM!
rAmen!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#61107 Nov 26, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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If you actually had any idea what you are talking about you would articulate an appropriate response to highlight the misrepresentation I have made to all.
If you actually had any idea what you were talking about you would lodge a considered response to my shallenge on Sanfords work.
Like I said before, you are the point leader because you post the most uneducated woffle.
The fact that you only ever offer vagueary and ridicule with nothing behind you is clear evidence that you wish you had something intelligent to refute me with but indeed the fact is that you don't.
And how many times do you have to be told that Sanford was debunked long ago. Only cretinists refer to him today.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#61108 Nov 26, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
I'm not going to tell you that gays, liars, thrives, and just sinners are going to hell. I even understand the frustration people have with Christianity so many denominations telling people what to believe. This is why I say read the bible and do so with an open mind.
Then you are wise. Many creationists on here do not realise they are at least as guilty of sin as gays are.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#61111 Nov 26, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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So because I like my iPhone, tv, and electricity I can't be a "real" Christian? You called Christians judgmental. I would dare say if you see an angry judgmental "Christian" they're fake. Jesus taught faith, hope , love. Rather than take my word for it read the bible start in John. If you only read one book that one is great.

Read it. Not as good as the Tao Te Ching, but it has its moments.

I am not real hip on the "real" Christian, thing. It just sounds like a way for Christians to be angry and judge other Christians.

We Christian's aren't perfect, you know.

The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#61113 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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It is called the Bible. That is the proof. Open your heart to God and live a good life. Or keep living in sin and burn in hell when you die. Simple choice.
The Bible says the Earth is a flat square circle that rests fixed on foundations fixed and unmoving hanging upon nothing at the center of a geocentric universe. Oh, and that lizards, donkeys and bushes can talk. It is therefore scientifically inaccurate.
Constitution-lover wrote:
What if your wrong....Eternity in burning hell....or....etternity in wonderful joy of heaven.....WHICH SOUNDS BETTER.
The FSM's Holy Beer Volcano sounds better. But which of these has more objective scientific evidence backing them up?

Answer - NONE of them.

Once you understand this you will understand why some people don't give a fig about your baseless religious opinions. You will of course disagree with them, but in order to have a case you then have to provide objective scientific evidence of this heaven and hell of yours, places which no-one currently on Earth has ever been, and cannot actually gain access until their biological systems are no longer maintaining any kind of Kreb cycle.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#61114 Nov 26, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, the bible is a bunch of assertions. I ask for proof and you just keep circling around with your assertions. Where is your evidence?
I have been speaking to evidence and you totally ignore it. There is fossil evidence in birds and whales that is more supportive of creation then TOE.

What do you evos expect to find? Are you expecting libraries of outdated woffle and speculation as proof that creos can supply support.

Are non thinking evos expecting creos to support creationism by refering to evolutionary assumptions and interpretations that change like the wind? That sounds like a great idea..NOT!

Why don't you show us all how clever you are by refuting Sanford with new research in mind, seeing as you evos are too ignorant to realize that creos do actually have their own supports to present?

Instead of trying to validate your existence with woffle why don't you come up with a great TOE prediction evos made that has actually eventuated?

The answer to the questions above is that it is much easier to go 'quack' than it is to have some substance to add to the discussion.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#61115 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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Your lies dont change the fact and truth of the Bible. You are wrong....Turn from sin.
Can you back up your claims with objectively verifiable scientific evidence?

No, I thought not.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#61117 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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What would it hurt you to believe and follow God. All God asks us to do in the Bible is good ffor us. I ask what would it hurt you?
Well for one, a wasted life of not learning anything. Two, a lack of hope for the future.

What would it hurt for you to care about humanity instead of your mythology?

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#61119 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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I would never lie. That is a sin. I have never been a jerk. I tell the truth and if that hurts you it is because that is your soul telling you to listen.
I highly doubt that, you lied when you said you have evidence.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#61123 Nov 26, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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You are more of an idiot than I ever suspected. I have never stated that creation is the most popular theory at all.
So you create your own misinformation and then apply it.

Sorry, but you are misrepresenting what KK said.


KittenKoder wrote:
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You said one truth in there. Evolution is still not the most popular theory, it's just provided us with the most benefits, your creationist mythology is actually more popular, and it's not produced anything beneficial. You just defeated your own argument, thank you for conceding that the theory of evolution is beneficial.
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text> Indeed if these stupid researchers had of listened to creos they would not have wasted over a decade just working out that non coding dna was functional.

Why not? First of all creotards only started saying this recently and second this is necessary science.
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text> This may have allowed the advancement of genetic therapies to advance much quicker than they have by wasting time chasing ghosts and evolutionary assumptions.

The evolutionary facts are in the DNA. We can trace human lineage back just using DNA. genetic and other evolutionary medical breakthroughs have continued all along.
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text> It is not the theory of evolution that has provided a benefit to the population you silly one.

False. Evolutionary medicine is the area(s) of medicine that are making the most breakthroughs.
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text> The benefit has come from observed research in the here and now.

Blah, blah, blah.... assertion, assertion assertion and not a fact to be found.
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text> In fact some researchers that are also evos are suggesting that indeed some evolutionary assumptions around retrovirus have hindered medical advancement in the treatment of aides.
http://www.originofaids.com/
http://www.originofaids.com/articles/early.ht...

You will swallow any crap available, won't you. Another loonie who follows loonies.

"Leonard Horowitz is a former dentist, anti-vaxxer, promoter of various "natural cures," and self-publisher of books and pamphlets expressing such unfounded beliefs as that the AIDS and Ebola epidemics were intentionally caused by the U.S. government. "
http://www.skepdic.com/horowitz.html

The guy is a con artist.

I had no respect for you to begin with and you just lost the rest.(note the irony)

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#61124 Nov 26, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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And how many times do you have to be told that Sanford was debunked long ago. Only cretinists refer to him today.
And how many times do I have to remind you that you are on a debating forum and are actually meant to be able to contruct an intelligent debate.

Even if you found the refute you would not understand it, nor be able to debate it because you have demonstrated you are an uneducated boofhead.

Subs big scientific refute on a debating forum is. wait for it,........"Sanford was debunked long ago".

These simplistic replies of yours continue to prove you are simplistic and not fit to debate in proper forum style. Obviously a less moderated forum is going to attract all sort of simpletons that actually have no clue past arguing 'they said so'..

Not being informed is not the problem. The problem is when evod pretend they are informed and then can only present crap such as what you comeup with.

Now, do please tell us how the research into epitasis does not support Sanfords work, if you can? Which, of course, my bet is you can't..

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