Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Nov 26, 2012
 
Constitution-lover wrote:
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None of those man made gods are real. If your wrong it will be bad...Why take the risk?
That is called Pascal's wager and has been shown to be wrong long ago.

You are in effect saying that your god is an idiot.

Which man made god do you think that we should believe in?

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But if humans cannot judge, then why did your god "allow" courts to be developed at all? If your god's laws are so perfect, why did they change? How did humanity survive so long without them? Why don't you follow those laws to the letter, if they're so perfect?
You admitted that large numbers would make their heads explode and yet you expect them to understand logic?

Very naughty of you.

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Clean up in aisle 4!!!!

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God made it all. He has been here since the dawn of time and will be here long after time ends. CANT CHANGE FACTS.
Facts can be proven, where is your proof?
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Nov 26, 2012
 
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Take this for instance.. Earth at the centre of the universe and no need for the mystery of dark energy that is meant to account for 96% of the matter of the universe and you know nothing about.
To say that such an idea unnerves many modern cosmologists would be an understatement. Modern cosmology takes as an article of faith that the Earth is nothing special. It’s called the Copernican Principle, named after Copernicus who concluded that the Sun and not the Earth was the center of our solar system. In modern science, Earth and the area around it is not allowed to be special or “favored” in any way compared to the rest of space — and it is certainly not allowed to be the center of the universe.
But Temple & Smoller’s theory suggests just such a thought.
Their shockwave has some things in its favor and some not so much so. For the former, the Earth-centered shockwave theory would also explain another phenomenon: the fact that Earth seems to be sitting in an odd “bubble of underdensity”— a region of the universe that doesn’t have much in it.
http://wallacegsmith.wordpress.com/2010/10/22...
The theory that Temple Smoller advocate is a stunning one that has immense implications for cosmology , science and mans place in the universe since earth being the center of the universe couldn't be accidental. Its strange that this theory isn't widely known .It's similar to the theories about the universes origin, creationists stated the universe had a beginning while science said it must be eternal. When the evidence came to light that it indeed had a beginning science proved the creationists right. Wouldn't it be ironic indeed if science has proved that the earth is the center of the universe?

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You admitted that large numbers would make their heads explode and yet you expect them to understand logic?
Very naughty of you.
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Clean up in aisle 4!!!!
Crap, I did it again. How are we suppose to prevent their heads from exploding without looking like total idiots?

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Gods holy word is proof. Open your heart and it will tell you the truth.
No, that's an assertion. Now you have more work, now you have to not only prove your god exists, but that these words, written by human hands and human brains, are what this god actually says. That's a lot of evidence you need.

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The theory that Temple Smoller advocate is a stunning one that has immense implications for cosmology , science and mans place in the universe since earth being the center of the universe couldn't be accidental. Its strange that this theory isn't widely known .It's similar to the theories about the universes origin, creationists stated the universe had a beginning while science said it must be eternal. When the evidence came to light that it indeed had a beginning science proved the creationists right. Wouldn't it be ironic indeed if science has proved that the earth is the center of the universe?
Uh....since we cannot detect the EDGES of the universe, there is no way we can calculate the CENTER of the universe.

You will, of course, reply that science has shown that (most) all other galaxies are moving away from us. This is true,*BUT*(most)all other galaxies are moving away FROM EACH OTHER as well. So in that regard, EVERY galaxy could say THEY are the center of the Universe.

Or do you have a link that says different?

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Think as you wish. It is your soul that will fry if you dont except God. I hope you did not raise any children. Sad if you did to know they will fry also.
Still ... more assertions and no evidence. Why can't you post some evidence?

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Uh....since we cannot detect the EDGES of the universe, there is no way we can calculate the CENTER of the universe.
You will, of course, reply that science has shown that (most) all other galaxies are moving away from us. This is true,*BUT*(most)all other galaxies are moving away FROM EACH OTHER as well. So in that regard, EVERY galaxy could say THEY are the center of the Universe.
Or do you have a link that says different?
Actually, they sort of did calculate it based on the movements, but there's a huge chance they're wrong. There's still the possibility that these expansions happen all over the place and ours is just a tiny part of the universe. I don't recall the details, not my area of interest. lol

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None of those man made gods are real. If your wrong it will be bad...Why take the risk?

Your right. We should all bow down to Brahma, the one true god.

Or was that Aten?

Elohim?

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Be a good person have faith in God and follow his rules. It is simple. Or dont and if your wrong you fry forever. Bad gamble. If you are right all you will have lost was leading a good life and not sinning. I mean why not follow God.

Have you ever heard of Pascal's Fallacy?

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God made it all. He has been here since the dawn of time and will be here long after time ends. CANT CHANGE FACTS.

Facts? You mean you have empirical evidence of all of this? I would be glad to see it. I have been taking God on faith up till now. But if you have proof.

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So fine dont believe and dont live a good life. Take the risk,it is your eternal soul at risk. I mean being a good Christian is so easy and feels so right and good. Tell me why take the risk.

Being a good Buddhist is a bit harder, but it feels so right and good too. Why risk potential enlightenment for a johnny-come-lately religion like Christianity?

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Thanks for the link, it was informative and enlightening. What I found interesting were the comments about the theory in the article. No one questioned the physics or math behind the Temple Smoller theory, the science per se, yet they were uncomfortable with it, why? Quote from the article.".. to say such an idea unnerves many modern cosmologists would be an understatement". Or take this quote, that the theory was," philosophically disconcerting" The same denial and philosophical angst is all through this thread from the evo puddle gooist crowd.

FYI
Temple-Smoller was refuted last year with the SMC data.

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God created all things...THAT IS FACT!!!!!!

No, that is what is called an Unsupported Assertion.

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Your choice. But God of the Bible is the one and only true God. Your soul your choice.
Yes, so you may say. I have even greater evidence that my belief is that of the one true God:

http://www.venganza.org/

Yours seems to be a wanta be with that Three in One Oil approach.

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KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>But if humans cannot judge, then why did your god "allow" courts to be developed at all? If your god's laws are so perfect, why did they change? How did humanity survive so long without them? Why don't you follow those laws to the letter, if they're so perfect?
Gods law is the Ten Commandments. The Bible doesn't say you can't judge that would be against free will. The Bible does say if you judge you will be judged by the measure you have judged. As it is impossible to live up to Gods law 100% he sent Jesus to bridge the gap between our sinful nature and his law this is why Christians pray for salvation. All have sinned and fallen short of Gods glory but while we were yet sinners Christ died so we could be saved. Gods law is tough his judgment absolute and righteous. This is why through Christ we can be saved but again free will says you have to believe to be saved. This is the way I believe I will not say you or anyone else is going to hell it isn't mine to say. I'm not going to tell you that gays, liars, thrives, and just sinners are going to hell. I even understand the frustration people have with Christianity so many denominations telling people what to believe. This is why I say read the bible and do so with an open mind.

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I have. You wont accpet it. It is your choice. I feel sorry for you.
Where? I have seen no evidence yet. Where is this evidence?

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Yes God is creator of all and his holy word the Bible tells us so. The Bible is all the proof anyone needs. And your heart should tell you this if you open it up to Gods love.
The bible is an assertion full of assertions. You cannot use the assertion as evidence for the assertion's validity. Where is your evidence? Just some, a little bit, anything?

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<quoted text> They also found pontius Pilates grave.. Jesus from nazarus was real.

??? Finding Pontius Pilate's grave proves Pontius Pilate was real. But there was never any doubt about that. It says nothing about the historicity of Yesuha Bin Sirac.
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<quoted text> Radioactive carbon dating must flawed if they found humanoids older than Lucy.

Radio Carbon dating is not used for artifacts over 60k years old.

I believe they used argon-argon and potassium-argon radiometric dating methods to date Lucy.
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<quoted text> The scientist do not have the answers for everything

True. That is why we continue to do science.
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<quoted text> the Bible was written to warn humans of the future.

Not really and it has done a rather poor job of doing so. The bible is a collection of spiritual teaching stories, history and metaphor.
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<quoted text> The Bible mentions the Roman currency denaruis

..... So?
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<quoted text> Myth is something that's not true, the Bible the civilizations and some of the rulers.
That's a fact.

No, mythology contains a lot that is true as well as much that is not true. Often mythological tales are spun off an actual historical event and kept alive in the oral tradition till it got written down.

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