Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 169036 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

“I started out with nothing”

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#60970 Nov 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Another wild guess. What brought about gravity and the others ?
No wild guess there just simple scientific fact. Just because you are incapable of comprehending fact does not mean that facts don’t exist
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60971 Nov 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Pride! and that is it.
Pride goes before destruction or a fall. You think you know or understand everything, but on the contrary you don't and you will never. As for me, i am learning, because i know that learning stops when one is dead.
Learning to mimic others is failure. Maybe Dogan is convinced that you've just got a language barrier, but I think you're metaphorically driving on the wrong side of the road. Sooner or later, someone's going to get hurt. Think about that pride, would you?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60972 Nov 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Oh, you hate that!
Stop comparing me with an autistic person. And also stop insulting me un-necessarily, in the disguised name of fun?
Necessity is only relevant to someone who is taking orders they don't understand. Everything else is choice. You need your mission. Dogan needs to believe in something he doesn't share with us.

I gave up on the things that get me trapped in the middle a long time ago. Even in a Zen world, your best option is little more than to play out the part of Gollum, destroying the one ring as you plummet to your death. You are no longer a child and regardless of what you perceive, your learning stopped a long time ago too.

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#60973 Nov 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I am going to give you what Albert Einstein said before his death, he said, " Religion without science is blind and science without religion is lame ".
Did he say that willingly or under duress ?
Just like you to grab the wrong end of the stick – this is a prime example of what quote mining in ignorance does to the truly ignorant who have no concept that others can see where there carefully mined quotes actually come from.

The letter you quote leaves no doubt that Einstein did not consider religious beliefs relevant and regarded them as "childish superstitions".

Einstein states in the letter "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can change this."

Here is a scan and translation of the letter you quote
http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/word-god...
Read it and learn



Some more of Einstein’s belief on religion

Scientists Can Hardly Believe in Prayers to Supernatural Beings – A letter dated 1936

Divine Will Cannot Cause Natural Events - Science and Religion (1941)

Concept of a Personal God is the Main Source of Conflict - Science and Religion (1941)

Biblical Inerrancy Intrudes on Sphere of Science - Science and Religion (1941)

Dogmatically Fixed Religion Conflicts with Science - Religion and Science: Irreconcilable?(1948)

Learning About Science Ends Deep Religiosity - Einstein, History, and Other Passions, p. 172



In is energy mass equivalence equation Einstein proved that the god as described in KJV revelation 19:6 cannot exist in this universe.

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#60974 Nov 26, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
<quoted text>
Does this apply to you as well?
Nope.

I can and have provided relevant links to my statements where required.

And I have no god to lie for
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Chico, CA

#60975 Nov 26, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Nope.

I can and have provided relevant links to my statements where required.

And I have no god to lie for
I can't fault you for your honesty.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#60976 Nov 26, 2012
Bobby wrote:
I am fed up with evolutionists who must accept evolution for it is the only theory which is compatible with their materialist worldview.
All science is materialistic. There is no scientific alternative that has been proposed.
Bobby wrote:
If the world was really built this way, what signs would there be?
Apparent age is built from the beginning. Even sitting in a bar would start with the memory of a fulfilled life.
In other words you are openly admitting you have no evidence. For when we provide evidence the universe IS old you just say "Well God just made it LOOK that way!"

Well God just made it look like evolution happened.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#60977 Nov 26, 2012
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not sorry for him. He is a great human being.
Still you are pretty dense about a lot of things. Probably the language barrier.
It's a barrier alright but I don't think it's the language barrier...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#60978 Nov 26, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldn't try learning anything from most of these people. The story goes as follows. One day God or none we will all die if the all science no faith guys are right we will spend eternity as dirt. However if they're wrong they can explain evolution to the creator and see if he is as ignorant as they claim we are.
Hey, you're the one denying the reality God created.(shrug) If God exists, it used evolution. Or like your French pal just said - God is a liar. Take your pick.

Of course everyone really knows the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the REAL God. RAMEN!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#60979 Nov 26, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh will you get back to defending your stupid chromosome 2 fusion?
Now that you have provided your big post we have all been waiting for you had best stick to ch2. You were doing better then.
If you can't deal with the science on the table now, we have no hope of getting anywhere around flood geology.
You're right. You have no hope of getting anywhere around "flood geology".(snicker)
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60980 Nov 26, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, you're the one denying the reality God created.(shrug) If God exists, it used evolution. Or like your French pal just said - God is a liar. Take your pick.
Of course everyone really knows the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the REAL God. RAMEN!
Thanks for your wonderful insights, brother!

...and RAMEN to you too! ;)

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#60981 Nov 26, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't fault you for your honesty.
No one can except guess merchants and liars
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#60982 Nov 26, 2012
MazHere wrote:
Yeah, just like junk dna supports evolution up until it doesn't.
Except this has already addressed numerous times over. It's not whether or not DNA has function it's the pattern it has. But each time you always ignore the fact you're referencing evidence which doesn't even support you and that you already reject anyway for theological reasons. You can't be a YEC and use evidence supporting an old Earth to debunk evolution. You can't be an OEC and use YEC apologetics to debunk evolution either.

Well you CAN, you'd just be a liar.(shrug)
MazHere wrote:
Look fu,k head. How about you try to refute Sanfords work on ch2?
Already did. That's why Sanford (a reality denying YEC) can't explain how if everything is supposed to be suffering from "genetic entropy" due to "TEH FALL" then why the human population is currently diversifying and steadily increasing. He also can't provide us with the date of when we reach critical mass and the human genome will be no longer viable. This of course is in contradiction to both the Genesis account and Noah's Ark whereby "TEH FALL" has ALREADY happened and therefore the genome was ALREADY non-viable since Adam and Eve. Which in turn both scenarios contradict you AGAIN since both of them REQUIRE evolution at a highly-accelerated rate, contradicting your claims that evolution cannot happen and that "TEH FALL" (for which there is no mechanism by the way) is responsible for genetic entropy which would have wiped out all life on Earth. Twice. You can then get around this by claiming that Adam & Eve and Noah & Co were "special" and had a genome COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO THAT OF ALL HUMANS ON EARTH, but then you have a slight problem in that you have zero evidence to demonstrate that they ever existed in the first place. Enter more Jewmagic.
MazHere wrote:
Oh piss off. These fools are always talking about their great posts and can never requote them.
You always foolishly repeat long posts even after we've addressed them.(shrug) Works on the gullible fundies around here I suppose.
MazHere wrote:
The fact appears to be that evos shove their irrefuteable evidence at creos, and it always turns to shit. Those are the facts, and that is what you are so proud of.
But of course. A number of times people have posted rebuttals and you ignore them and merely re-spam stuff you've already posted. So since you're not bothering to refute them makes them irrefutable. It may be that reality may one day provide evidence that DOES, but judging by the creo track record it probably won't have anything to do with the "scientific theory" of creationism.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#60983 Nov 26, 2012
MazHere wrote:
Mankind is only an ape because you lot have poofed us into one.
Actually we're apes because God poofed us into one. Either by magic or by evolutionary development. Assuming a God exists.
MazHere wrote:
Evos would rather remain egotistical liars then to fess up to the truth.
Projection. I've demonstrated your dishonest behavior over and over. But fundies have no shame.
MazHere wrote:
Please repost I must have missed it.
Precisely our point.(shrug)
MazHere wrote:
How does modern bird footprints dated to 212mya
Case in point. SD already addressed this ages ago and all you can do is demand we do it again. Once was enough. And also you can't mention ages beyond 6,000 years but do so because you're a hypocrite.
MazHere wrote:
That does not mean TOE is not true. It does mean thatyou do not have substantive and credible evidence for it.
Actually I did, but they remain unaddressed. And so it goes...

Hey Maz! What's the "scientific theory" of creationism? When will you finally grasp that this one very simple point completely obliterates anything you can come up with?

Carry on, I have no trouble in letting you continue to demonstrate the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the creationist position. Fundies can do nothing else.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#60984 Nov 26, 2012
MazHere wrote:
1. Creationist predictions that if the creation was made by the hand of God there would be no need for junk dna are currently being validiated.
2. Evolutionists that shoved junk dna down creationists throats over the past decade, were actually presenting flawed and incomplete data and now have to suck eggs.
3. Evolutionists asserted that this non functional dna was the left overs from evolution. Now this great evidence has been falsified. TOE has either a failed prediction or never could make a prediction around non coding dna.
4. Creationist predictions around all organs having function and not being left overs from some deep evolutionary event are also being validiated.
5. Evolutionists predicted and thought they'd found left over non functional organs and called them vestigial.
6. Evolutionists have had to redefine the definition of vestigial because what has been found is that vestigial organs do have function. Not only do they have function they also have a different function.
7. Evolutionists have great hand waving abilities and poof mythical theropods into existence to save their bird paradigm from total falsification. This is an example of evo handwaving.
8. Handwaving has been evoked in relation to all fossil and genomic evidence in support of TOE, including mankinds ancestry with chimps.
9. TOE has predictive ability akin to a crystal ball.
10. The support I can provide for creationism could not be worse than the 150 years of instability and falsifications evos have to offer.
1,2,3 & 4 - All the same point spread out over 4 numbers to make it look like you have more points. Already addressed. Numerous times. You also have given no good reason why can't can't have made "junk" DNA since you have no evidence of any mechanism or God itself. Also TEH FALL should leave "junk", yes? Since that IS the claim. You can't claim 100% function then use Sanford's claim that we're all deteriorating. Duh.

5 - Male nipples. Why?

6 - Different function is precisely what evolution predicts. Function will change over time.

7 - They aren't mythical. You call transitionals "mosaics", which is basically an admission that it's a transitional and you're too gutless to admit it.

8 - In other words you are unable to refute the info that I provided from multiple lines of evidence. Don't worry, no other fundie on the planet has yet either. That's why evolution is still accepted by the scientific community.

9 - Predicts protein function with 96% accuracy. Creationism 0% accuracy.

10 - Support for creationism = GODDIDIT WITH MAGIC, and no scientific evidence. Only bad apologetics against evolution.
MazHere wrote:
That kinda sums up what I have demonstrated that you no longer want to talk about because none of these above have been successfully refuted.
So what do you want to talk about now? Evo egomania.
Heaven only knows I have had to repeat myself many times. If you think you're so great and actually had something to say I am sure you would speak to it again. You've got nothing of substance to add at all. You just want to save face on this forum by using obvious avoidance.
Hence not only are you a looser, you are also a huge pretender.
Serious ironic case of projection. Yes, you DO repeat yourself many time. Only pretending it's not been addressed before. And to top it off you also ignore the wild inconsistency of your own (evidenceless) position.

What's the "scientific theory" of creationism? Evilushun iz rong so JEWMAGIC?

Thought so.

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#60985 Nov 26, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
If my grandparents were married in 1928, lived, had children who in turn married and had children of there own, arguing when the marriage occured would not change the fact that they were married and so forth.
Arguing that finding certain fossil evidence at an unexpected time is just the same thing. It may change the timeline, alter where some key events may have taken place but it doesn't destroy the concept of evolution.
For instance, if while looking through family papers I discover a picture of my grandparents wedding dated 1923, that doesn't mean they weren't married. It means that based on the evidence other family members had there is a discrepency in the date the marriage took place. It could be the photo was mislabelled or it is correct. There would be much controversy amongst the family as to which is correct, but none would say that there was no marriage as a result of the new evidence.
It is a simple concept I know, but one that seems to be abused on here as if the abuser was in possession of Thor's hammer. With such, these people gleefully believe they are destroying the foundations of evolution. This is further based on the misconception that science is based on popularity rather than on facts. Evolution is not an accepted theory because it is popular. It is an accepted theory because of the facts.
I invite the open minded, critical thinking, person to watch how radical creationists abuse their ignorance on here daily. Watch them rant on in some illogical manner and then declare themselves the winner of whatever it is they think they won. The names of the characters may change, but the stupidity, ignorance and hubris remain the same.
Brilliant post, mate.

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#60986 Nov 26, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, you're the one denying the reality God created.(shrug) If God exists, it used evolution. Or like your French pal just said - God is a liar. Take your pick.

Of course everyone really knows the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the REAL God. RAMEN!
The way God made everything doesn't matter to me. Arguing the beginning is as pointless as debating the end. I don't believe God took more than 6 days to make everything as we see it now. I think The Bible gives the info we need to live a life for God. It isn't a tech manual for scientific debate. In the first chapter of genesis the difference of day and night is established from sunrise to sunset is a day. Moses said God said he did it in 6 days who am I to say he didn't. I don't know how nor do I need to know. Maybe it was just the way God explained it to Moses so he would understand. The Bible says nothing about dinosaurs however how can anyone deny they were here?

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#60987 Nov 26, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
<quoted text>
The way God made everything doesn't matter to me. Arguing the beginning is as pointless as debating the end. I don't believe God took more than 6 days to make everything as we see it now. I think The Bible gives the info we need to live a life for God. It isn't a tech manual for scientific debate. In the first chapter of genesis the difference of day and night is established from sunrise to sunset is a day. Moses said God said he did it in 6 days who am I to say he didn't. I don't know how nor do I need to know. Maybe it was just the way God explained it to Moses so he would understand. The Bible says nothing about dinosaurs however how can anyone deny they were here?
In other words, you have absolutely no desire to learn anything about any natural science.

Thank you for your honesty

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#60988 Nov 26, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
<quoted text>
The way God made everything doesn't matter to me. Arguing the beginning is as pointless as debating the end. I don't believe God took more than 6 days to make everything as we see it now. I think The Bible gives the info we need to live a life for God. It isn't a tech manual for scientific debate. In the first chapter of genesis the difference of day and night is established from sunrise to sunset is a day. Moses said God said he did it in 6 days who am I to say he didn't. I don't know how nor do I need to know. Maybe it was just the way God explained it to Moses so he would understand. The Bible says nothing about dinosaurs however how can anyone deny they were here?
“Arguing the beginning is as pointless as debating the end. I don't believe God took more than 6 days to make everything as we see it now.”

Say what?

“I think The Bible gives the info we need to live a life for God.”

info on how top create silicon devices?, fibre optics? Etc…

“In the first chapter of genesis the difference of day and night is established from sunrise to sunset is a day”

Yup day and night happen, even bronze age man could see that, in many cases they actually worshipped the change

“Maybe it was just the way God explained it “

Interpreting?

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#60989 Nov 26, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
You accused a christian minister of child murder with no facts other than your belief in a child murdering god , that is all I need to know about you and your god
It boils down to one think and one thing only, you have a disturbed personality and you hide behind you god to tell lies and irrelevancies, make threats and issue accusations, basically the second worst type of christian imaginable,
Is that all?

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