Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216695 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#60952 Nov 25, 2012
MazHere wrote:
1. Creationist predictions that if the creation was made by the hand of God there would be no need for junk dna are currently being validiated.
Yet more than 80% Of the genome does not contribute to the development of the phenotype. Much of this material is recognizable as bits and pieces of nonfunctioning genes and retroviral inserts.

Your contention is equivalent to looking at the remains of an old car that hasn't run in decades and claiming that it isn't junk because it might have some usable parts.

Does the failure of your "Creationist predictions" mean that you'll abandon your God?
MazHere wrote:
2. Evolutionists that shoved junk dna down creationists throats over the past decade, were actually presenting flawed and incomplete data and now have to suck eggs.
See above.
MazHere wrote:
3. Evolutionists asserted that this non functional dna was the left overs from evolution. Now this great evidence has been falsified. TOE has either a failed prediction or never could make a prediction around non coding dna.
In your DNA are the remains of three genes that code for egg yolk. They no longer function, but by synteny and sequence similarity, they are recognizable as the same three that are still functional in birds. They are left from our common ancestor with birds.(I won't waste time explaining how we know that unless you ask.)

Is this the sort of thing you claim to have falsified?
MazHere wrote:
4. Creationist predictions around all organs having function and not being left overs from some deep evolutionary event are also being validiated.
Most structures have function. A few (like hind limbs on whales, eyes on blind creatures) have degenerated beyond that point and will eventually be lost.
MazHere wrote:
5. Evolutionists predicted and thought they'd found left over non functional organs and called them vestigial.
Blind Cave Fish.
MazHere wrote:
6. Evolutionists have had to redefine the definition of vestigial because what has been found is that vestigial organs do have function. Not only do they have function they also have a different function.
They had a function in ancestral forms and now they have a different function. They've evolved.
MazHere wrote:
7. Evolutionists have great hand waving abilities and poof mythical theropods into existence to save their bird paradigm from total falsification. This is an example of evo handwaving.
This one's too esoteric for me.
MazHere wrote:
8. Handwaving has been evoked in relation to all fossil and genomic evidence in support of TOE, including mankinds ancestry with chimps.
Again, you seem not to have a point.
MazHere wrote:
9. TOE has predictive ability akin to a crystal ball.
The only prediction is that any discoveries concerning species diversity will conform to the model described by the theory. So far, so good. You haven't found anything that contradicts that, have you?
MazHere wrote:
10. The support I can provide for creationism could not be worse than the 150 years of instability and falsifications evos have to offer.
You've provided no support for Creationism nor any substantive contradictions to ToE.
MazHere wrote:
That kinda sums up what I have demonstrated that you no longer want to talk about because none of these above have been successfully refuted.
Whatever you say.

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#60953 Nov 25, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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No, the Romans did not speak of Jesus.
Do you know what will happen to your spiders genome in 10 million years...or 100 million years?
Oh, by the way, tarantula is the proper spelling for your pet.
Her name is spider.
Yes they did,they also spoke of the apostle pual and the first century Christians

I studied the history of civilizations,they've have so many writtings about him..
They mention him as a great teacher.

They also found pontius Pilates grave.. Jesus from nazarus was real.

Radioactive carbon dating must flawed if they found humanoids older than Lucy.

The scientist do not have the answers for everything
the Bible was written to warn humans of the future.

The Bible mentions the Roman currency denaruis

Myth is something that's not true, the Bible the civilizations and some of the rulers.
That's a fact.

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#60954 Nov 25, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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Charles, there's a whole world of language going on around you that you are missing and people know it.
I'm a bit nerdy. I think that generally most people are far more willing to lie selfishly than comes natural to me. There's an empathic gap there, I guess because I respect peoples intelligence a bit more than they deserve. If I behaved the way they do, I'd be inclined to slug people constantly, which wouldn't be socially acceptable and a bit dangerous as I'm not that big.
You on the other hand, function like an autistic savant. You seem to be importing left brain functions over to your right brain for some reason. You're just not getting it. Mentally, you count what you should be taking pictures of and/or vice-versa. Whatever you think is funny, nobody else here does.
You're either going to have to explain your feelings better or stop commanding others to fly right. It's not funny for any of us to just keep on abusing you because you aren't learning! OK?
Pride! and that is it.
Pride goes before destruction or a fall. You think you know or understand everything, but on the contrary you don't and you will never. As for me, i am learning, because i know that learning stops when one is dead.

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#60955 Nov 25, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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A VERY bad choice of words.
Oh, you hate that!
Stop comparing me with an autistic person. And also stop insulting me un-necessarily, in the disguised name of fun?

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#60956 Nov 25, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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I still fail to see your point? Lots of great minds have some pretty crazy beliefs. It doesn't make those great minds less great nor does it give validity to their crazy beliefs.
To me, beliefs are personal to the concerned. No mortal can rightfully judge a mortal, except God, the immortal. He was a christian. That is what i know. Period.

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#60957 Nov 25, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You really do like speaking for other people, a lot.
No. But every true scientist that accepts religion as a source of truth, will definitely disagree with your use of, " yes ".

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#60958 Nov 25, 2012
Bobby wrote:
I am fed up with evolutionists who must accept evolution for it is the only theory which is compatible with their materialist worldview.
I made a quick youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =BTBze6a5vQAXX
I just love these excerpts of a hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. If the world was really built this way, what signs would there be?
Apparent age is built from the beginning. Even sitting in a bar would start with the memory of a fulfilled life.
Here all is held outside the laws of nature until the "commencement of life cycle" (at 2:36).
Evolutionists have no choice. Evolution is a bad theory but the best they have.
Whilst we can sit back and enjoy (even if we have no idea how it really is all here).
Hmmmm.

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#60959 Nov 25, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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I am not sorry for him. He is a great human being.
Still you are pretty dense about a lot of things. Probably the language barrier.
Autism is a bad sickness( disorder). What type of a person are you. You boast of a language that will never be yours. This was what led to our initial disagreement on English language. There is nothing like language barrier here, if there is any, you are. Stop the pride.

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#60960 Nov 25, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Pride! and that is it.
Pride goes before destruction or a fall. You think you know or understand everything, but on the contrary you don't and you will never. As for me, i am learning, because i know that learning stops when one is dead.
I wouldn't try learning anything from most of these people. The story goes as follows. One day God or none we will all die if the all science no faith guys are right we will spend eternity as dirt. However if they're wrong they can explain evolution to the creator and see if he is as ignorant as they claim we are.

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#60962 Nov 25, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Really? You know he did not believe in the trinity, nor did he believe that Jesus was god?
Did you know he was a demonologist and practiced the occult?
You still think he was a Christian? I got more!
Judge not you mortal!
Even though he engages in any thing evil, it is between him and God. He was a christian who believed in God unlike you guys. Despite he does not believed in the trinity, he believed in the works and deeds of Christ, unlike you guys.

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#60963 Nov 25, 2012
spidersandsnakes wrote:
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Her name is spider.
Yes they did,they also spoke of the apostle pual and the first century Christians
I studied the history of civilizations,they've have so many writtings about him..
They mention him as a great teacher.
They also found pontius Pilates grave.. Jesus from nazarus was real.
Radioactive carbon dating must flawed if they found humanoids older than Lucy.
The scientist do not have the answers for everything
the Bible was written to warn humans of the future.
The Bible mentions the Roman currency denaruis
Myth is something that's not true, the Bible the civilizations and some of the rulers.
That's a fact.
Thanks.

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#60965 Nov 25, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I wouldn't try learning anything from most of these people. The story goes as follows. One day God or none we will all die if the all science no faith guys are right we will spend eternity as dirt. However if they're wrong they can explain evolution to the creator and see if he is as ignorant as they claim we are.
That is true. Thanks for your contribution, and may God almighty continue to empower you, amen.

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#60966 Nov 25, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Autism is a bad sickness( disorder). What type of a person are you. You boast of a language that will never be yours. This was what led to our initial disagreement on English language. There is nothing like language barrier here, if there is any, you are. Stop the pride.
LOL

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treat you they get offended.

#60967 Nov 26, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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A post based on opinion will never provide more credibility than the supported view I can present with research in support of my views and assertions. eg my last post. Evos here appear to be too stupid to even understand what research and support looks like.
I'd say peer reviewed research from your own researchers is support for my view as opposed to these woffly replies I get from the likes of idiots like you.
As I said you evos here on this forum are hopelessly ignorant and uneducated in the science they are trying to defend and doing a bad job of I may add!
Posts based on bronze age guesswork will never provide more credibility than the supported view

Let us SEE you provide research in support of your views and assertions. Don’t just talk about it, you could be lying (most crustards do lie), let us SEE it

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eg my last post. Evos here appear to be too stupid to even understand what research and support looks like.
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That my dear is guesswork, so common in godbot hate merchants like you. You have NO IDEA who you are talking about or what research actually involves. All you have is a bronze age book of goddidit myth and proven lies and an iron age book of deceit about a murderer and terrorist which was compiled by committee some 300 years after events on which to build your religion

As yet you have ranted abundantly about peer-reviewed research you CAN present and NOT EVER presented any evidence that such peer reviewed research actually exists

FYI, I have researched the babble in university, As a student I was involved in compiling and correlating evidence for my professor that PROVES the late jc was a criminal, murdering terrorist upon which several academic books have now been written.

Your delusion and denial of facts simply highlight your own deliberate ignorance and your inability to produce ANY peer reviewed research simply indicates you are lying for your god.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

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#60968 Nov 26, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Posts based on bronze age guesswork will never provide more credibility than the supported view

Let us SEE you provide research in support of your views and assertions. Don’t just talk about it, you could be lying (most crustards do lie), let us SEE it

Quote
eg my last post. Evos here appear to be too stupid to even understand what research and support looks like.
endquote

That my dear is guesswork, so common in godbot hate merchants like you. You have NO IDEA who you are talking about or what research actually involves. All you have is a bronze age book of goddidit myth and proven lies and an iron age book of deceit about a murderer and terrorist which was compiled by committee some 300 years after events on which to build your religion

As yet you have ranted abundantly about peer-reviewed research you CAN present and NOT EVER presented any evidence that such peer reviewed research actually exists

FYI, I have researched the babble in university, As a student I was involved in compiling and correlating evidence for my professor that PROVES the late jc was a criminal, murdering terrorist upon which several academic books have now been written.

Your delusion and denial of facts simply highlight your own deliberate ignorance and your inability to produce ANY peer reviewed research simply indicates you are lying for your god.
Does this apply to you as well?

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#60969 Nov 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You commented about me. Do you know me before?
Go on with your gibberish.
You accused a christian minister of child murder with no facts other than your belief in a child murdering god , that is all I need to know about you and your god

It boils down to one think and one thing only, you have a disturbed personality and you hide behind you god to tell lies and irrelevancies, make threats and issue accusations, basically the second worst type of christian imaginable,

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#60970 Nov 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Another wild guess. What brought about gravity and the others ?
No wild guess there just simple scientific fact. Just because you are incapable of comprehending fact does not mean that facts don’t exist
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#60971 Nov 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Pride! and that is it.
Pride goes before destruction or a fall. You think you know or understand everything, but on the contrary you don't and you will never. As for me, i am learning, because i know that learning stops when one is dead.
Learning to mimic others is failure. Maybe Dogan is convinced that you've just got a language barrier, but I think you're metaphorically driving on the wrong side of the road. Sooner or later, someone's going to get hurt. Think about that pride, would you?
anonymous

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#60972 Nov 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Oh, you hate that!
Stop comparing me with an autistic person. And also stop insulting me un-necessarily, in the disguised name of fun?
Necessity is only relevant to someone who is taking orders they don't understand. Everything else is choice. You need your mission. Dogan needs to believe in something he doesn't share with us.

I gave up on the things that get me trapped in the middle a long time ago. Even in a Zen world, your best option is little more than to play out the part of Gollum, destroying the one ring as you plummet to your death. You are no longer a child and regardless of what you perceive, your learning stopped a long time ago too.

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#60973 Nov 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I am going to give you what Albert Einstein said before his death, he said, " Religion without science is blind and science without religion is lame ".
Did he say that willingly or under duress ?
Just like you to grab the wrong end of the stick – this is a prime example of what quote mining in ignorance does to the truly ignorant who have no concept that others can see where there carefully mined quotes actually come from.

The letter you quote leaves no doubt that Einstein did not consider religious beliefs relevant and regarded them as "childish superstitions".

Einstein states in the letter "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can change this."

Here is a scan and translation of the letter you quote
http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/word-god...
Read it and learn

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Some more of Einstein’s belief on religion

Scientists Can Hardly Believe in Prayers to Supernatural Beings – A letter dated 1936

Divine Will Cannot Cause Natural Events - Science and Religion (1941)

Concept of a Personal God is the Main Source of Conflict - Science and Religion (1941)

Biblical Inerrancy Intrudes on Sphere of Science - Science and Religion (1941)

Dogmatically Fixed Religion Conflicts with Science - Religion and Science: Irreconcilable?(1948)

Learning About Science Ends Deep Religiosity - Einstein, History, and Other Passions, p. 172

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In is energy mass equivalence equation Einstein proved that the god as described in KJV revelation 19:6 cannot exist in this universe.

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