Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 197198 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60843 Nov 25, 2012
Looking for Answers wrote:
Not looking to pick a fight with any creationist or evolutionist out there but looking for answers.
There is a swell of information on basing scientific literature(evidence based medicine for medical literature) and grading the level of evidence to support claims from weak to strong.
Any out there has information on grading evolutionary evidence that can show me where i can find such an article?
Well, I don't think there's system in place for ranking research. That would be a bit subjective. Most of us here don't require formal peer-reviewed scientific papers. We know our level of expertise.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60844 Nov 25, 2012
spidersandsnakes wrote:
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Their is proof, The romans spoke of Jesus as a teacher and healer.
Evolution is misleading, because evolution is possible but only on a small scale. Macro evolution is not possible.
Evolution should be called adapting.Animals only adapt they never change into a completely different species.
this is not pokemon.
I have a trantula, I've had her for a year. she knows when I open her tank, its either feeding or that want to pick her.
Did she change into another insects,No she is still a spider.
There is no first-hand record of Jesus' existence.

Evolution is not misleading. It does not just happen on a small scale.

Animals do evolve into new species. The defining of species may be considered subjective but once one variant can no longer interbreed with another variant of a parent species, they are considered separate species.

A tarantula is an arachnid, not an insect.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60845 Nov 25, 2012
Looking for Answers wrote:
Not looking to pick a fight with any creationist or evolutionist out there but looking for answers.
There is a swell of information on basing scientific literature(evidence based medicine for medical literature) and grading the level of evidence to support claims from weak to strong.
Any out there has information on grading evolutionary evidence that can show me where i can find such an article?
I guess it should be noted that there is a system in place among the science community, but it's simply about reputation. Most scientific publications are not freely available over the Internet. That eliminates the quarrelsome claims of discrimination from non-professionals. The science community generally does not think itself to be influenced by class warfare.

You can find some open sources of literature, but in all honesty, I prefer to use sources like Wikipedia and if I need more precise information, start with their sources. A large part of research literature is about source material.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60847 Nov 25, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Really?
But not in all cases.
No, but you're the one who's invoking statistics, and banking on religiosity among the young is a bad bet.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#60848 Nov 25, 2012
In other words, you're backpedaling from your claim that Germans can "understand" Old English. Yeah, we get that. You lost the debate.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No. You are the loser. Check the work of Cyril Babaev, in his book titled, Old English Grammar.
Provide a relevant quote. If not, you still lose.
Anonymous

UK

#60849 Nov 25, 2012
MazHere wrote:
Arguing With Idiots I'd like to add this.
The most convincing demonstration that man is not related to the other apes is out chromosome count.
This fusion myth is very important to evos because without it they are going up the creek without a paddle.
The good news is that regardless of whether not human ch2 is really a Robertsons translocation is not what is imoportant. What is important is that creos have evidence that support this fusion not being the result of the fusion of 2 other ape genes. Maybe it had something to do with the fall.
So not only are humans furrless obligate bipeds that can make meaning of the world we also have a different chromosome count to our purported closest relative, effectively falsifying evolutionary theory.
There are many falsifications of TOE that we know of. Evos redefine a falsification as "heading toward the light". Obviously the light is off at present. Oh well, it makes them feel better, I guess.
However the falsification of this fusion from ape genes is truely fantastic for creos. It does not matter if evotards do not accept the data. Who would expect them to? Well done to the researchers for their work.
If you don't believe that humans evolved from apes, then where do you think we came from, the earth is four billion years old, but thete are no bones of ancient humans, so we are a relatively new species, do you think that we just suddenly sprouted out of the ground from nothing, what is your alternative

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Since: Apr 11

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#60850 Nov 25, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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Gaps.... to date!
Charles, concrete evidence wouldn't phase you if it were in the form of a brick wall that just landed on you. Stop lying.
More lies. Send them him.
Next?
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60851 Nov 25, 2012
straa wrote:
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If you don't believe that humans evolved from apes, then where do you think we came from, the earth is four billion years old, but thete are no bones of ancient humans, so we are a relatively new species, do you think that we just suddenly sprouted out of the ground from nothing, what is your alternative
You'll just get her started again with her belligerence and irrelevant links. She probably will claim that our origin is not relevant. She just wants to put those "evos" in their place.

Others have labelled this a "Gish Gallup" which I've just found a definition of.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

It fits.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60852 Nov 25, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> More lies. Send them him.
Next?
I think your situation is better defined as "Fractal Wrongness".

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongnes...

......You asked!

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#60853 Nov 25, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
No, but you're the one who's invoking statistics, and banking on religiosity among the young is a bad bet.
Do you disagree with Einstein's view which says, " Science without Religion is lame" ?

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#60854 Nov 25, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
In other words, you're backpedaling from your claim that Germans can "understand" Old English. Yeah, we get that. You lost the debate.
<quoted text>
Provide a relevant quote. If not, you still lose.
Liar and loser. I gave you an authority in that field by name, Cyril Babaev, you refuse going through.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#60855 Nov 25, 2012
In other words, you're backpedaling from your claim that Germans can "understand" Old English. Yeah, we get that. You lost the debate.

Provide a relevant quote. If not, you still lose.
Charles Idemi wrote:
Liar and loser. I gave you an authority...
What part of "provide a quote" do you not understand? It's written in English. Do you not understand English?

Until you provide an actual *quote* that supports your position, your handwaving at some "authority" is meaningless.(In fact, when you can't provide a quote, it tells us that you haven't even read the material you're citing as an authority.)

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#60856 Nov 25, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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I think your situation is better defined as "Fractal Wrongness".
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongnes...
......You asked!
Grow up and stop being naive.

“cdesign proponentsists”

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Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#60857 Nov 25, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Lastly, if according to researches, history and sources( the internet), modern English is a language evolving or developing from many European languages, but the language came as a single language, to became one unique language, which is unique to England( the English people).
The German's created the English language and the English stole it.

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#60858 Nov 25, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
In other words, you're backpedaling from your claim that Germans can "understand" Old English. Yeah, we get that. You lost the debate.
<quoted text>
Provide a relevant quote. If not, you still lose.
The truth, you are just too ashamed and afraid to go to the works of Cyril Babaev. Every answers to your questions are there.

“too hard to handle”

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#60859 Nov 25, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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There is no first-hand record of Jesus' existence.
Evolution is not misleading. It does not just happen on a small scale.
Animals do evolve into new species. The defining of species may be considered subjective but once one variant can no longer interbreed with another variant of a parent species, they are considered separate species.
A tarantula is an arachnid, not an insect.
Wrong, there are "first hand" extra biblical records.

They are few, but they exist.

There is more than any "evidence" for the existence of socrates.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60860 Nov 25, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Do you disagree with Einstein's view which says, " Science without Religion is lame" ?
Nope! Not a bit!

...and you're a liar.

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Since: Jul 12

Australia

#60861 Nov 25, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I already did. You are not an expert in this subject and neither am I. So far you have posted nothing that made the experts in this field to even blink. You made the claim, it was up to you to make it in the first place, you failed. You could not find anyone who new anything of the subject to support your claim.
And there is no such thing as flood geology. That bit the dust before Darwin even made the scene.
Listen you silly person. You have no clue. The laat time you pathetically sprooked about some defence you presented you it was based on prattle a s some vague priori that I need to accept creation has not support if I were to be truthful.

Would you like me to requote that crap you posted again?

Then you took one of many examples that do NOT support TOE, in the modern bird footprints, driibled about how the term used was bird lke, was refuted on the fact that terminology was baseless said because evos can't have modern birds flying around 212mya and that was that.

You've made chalenges and then ran away when you lost ground and realized your silly theory is not the glossy picture evos like to make it out to be.

The above is your version of debating. You actually have no idea.

You cannot out debate me and you now speak to imaginary replies to save face on this forum.

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Since: Apr 11

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#60862 Nov 25, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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The German's created the English language and the English stole it.
Ask the Angles, Jutes and the Saxons that question, why did they left Germany without a single trace( deserted).
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60863 Nov 25, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Grow up and stop being naive.
Don't be temperamental when the description fits you to a "T".

Like the Mandelbrot graph whose border one can never walk, you can't walk it either as demonstrated by your inane obsession with English, royalty, proving negatives and on, and on and on. Your defense is to keep adding irrelevancy to it.

It's some kind of psychologically maladjusted defense mechanism, I'd assume. The obvious truth is that we aren't the only ones to observe it. It's well documented in the world of rational debate.

Charles, you should consider seeing a doctor. I'm no expert, but my first guess would be Asperger's Syndrome. They can't cure it, but they can help you to live with it. I'm not joking.

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