Evolution vs. Creation

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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#60715 Nov 24, 2012
Mav, you must consider your sources. That last post came from an open access journal. Now in an ideal world all journals would be open access. Open access journals have much lower stringency requirements for publishing than true peer reviewed journals.

The reason for this is money.

Journals must make their money too and how they make their money affect the quality of their articles.

The best articles are found in peer reviewed scientific journals. The person submitting the article is not paid for their work. It is either a work of love, or very often today it can be from the publish or perish goad that professors and other professional scientists work under.

The source you linked was an Open Access journal. They get their money from the people publishing their articles in it. They claim to be peer reviewed, but when the author is footing the bill the peer review is not very deep.

Next are journals like Scientific American and others. They get their money from advertisers so they need to print articles that catch the public interest, are readable by the public, and don't piss off the advertisers.

Science that first appears in either of the latter two out of three that I listed is always looked at with skepticism until it goes through true peer review.

Your methodology here is to scan for any article anywhere that gives you some small hope that you are right. You tend to either misinterpret the articles that you link or find articles in very iffy sources.

That is just a friendly warning on what you are doing wrong.

There is a way to see how well respected a scientific journal is. A well respected journal has its articles quote by other journal writers. If a journal is heavily quoted from it is seen as a well respected journal. Usually independent articles are too hard to track, but if one is well quoted from that is an extremely well respected article. You can check out a journal's respectability before posting here.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60716 Nov 24, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not understand my links and are still at the Wiki stage of basic and general knowledge.
I can prove it because all you ever have to offer is unsupported twoddle and ridicule what I bother to provide without any substance.
You've got something to prove, don't you? We get a lot of people here who obviously lack scientific credentials but try to pose as scientists anyway.

I'm not too eager to coddle your fantasy nor do I derive pleasure in destroying it, but I won't indulge your belligerence.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60717 Nov 24, 2012
Orangelion wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, no, it is from the bibles historical accuracy and proof of Christs resurrection.
You're still not giving it up. I won't deny a small portion of the bible's historical accuracy but I've yet to hear of any proof of Christ's existence.
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#60718 Nov 24, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not understand my links and are still at the Wiki stage of basic and general knowledge.
.
LMAO
kristains say the darnest things!
Orangelion

Rhyl, UK

#60719 Nov 24, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You're still not giving it up. I won't deny a small portion of the bible's historical accuracy but I've yet to hear of any proof of Christ's existence.
Psychologically historical evidence exists as well as many other historical evidence pointing towards his resurrection.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#60720 Nov 24, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh shut up and stop wasting space.
Defend this stupid little ape of yours that you want to talk about or has that become to burdensome for you as well.
You prefer to hear yourself twoddle on than look at the research I provide.
You lot have no intension of discussin the debate. All you wnat to do is hear yourselves prattle on.
You were the one who went off topic, not us. And then when your stupidity is illustrated fully you attack those who showed how your side trip was completely in error. Nice.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60721 Nov 24, 2012
christianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO
kristains say the darnest things!
It's kind of depressing. She's probably a college dropout who still thinks she can hang with the pros.

I don't make any great scholarly claims but I'm fairly sure that I can usually pick out the fakes. Real academics don't often hang out on Topix for one. They don't ever talk like they're in a sailor hangout. Most importantly, they don't go off half-cocked and criticize someone's work unless they are VERY sure that they have a good grasp on the subject.

Maz is all over the place. The poor scientists probably attract a lot of loonies. I imagine they miss out on some good ideas by closing the door on the weirdos with messianic complexes.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60722 Nov 24, 2012
Orangelion wrote:
<quoted text>
Psychologically historical evidence exists as well as many other historical evidence pointing towards his resurrection.
Psychologically historical evidence? Whatever that is, I doubt it's close enough to empirical evidence to be considered valid.

Now, if you were interested in that kind of interpretation of the bible, instead of a literal one, there may be something to discuss.

Generally though, I dismiss the Bible as being Caucasian-centric. It really doesn't have buzz in cultures that aren't centered around the Mediterranean and shaped by the Romans. The whole resurrection thing puts off outsiders.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#60724 Nov 24, 2012
timm17..my reply

Nearly being the operative word like 'similar' that evos have no idea what it means. Nearly the same to evos means the same as long as one ignores all the vast differences. What does nearly mean? Yiu have forgotten to mention that not that long ago the fucion site was meant to be 'the same'. So now it is not the same, is that what you are clarifying for us?

1. Because evos can make no prediction around junk dna yet saw fit to shove the crap you call science down creationists throats, adnauseum. Now the table have turned and I am loving it so.

2. Because good theories do not need to be contantly adjusted and any science is meant to be appropriately able to be falsified, which TOE can't. eg Junk dna proves evolution then a year later no junk dna says nothing for evolution. Hypocrites!

3. I have not made any mistake in relation to human ch2 at all. If you think you posted an adequate reply that I have missed then please requote it or shut up. You lot always like to pretend great replies

You are such a dork!.

Your stupid words are...

"This sequence (5'-CCCTAA-3) is the reverse complement of the standard pattern - which is what you would expect to find in a fusion.Get it? Probably not, or you wouldn't have posted evidence for me."

Opposite in this case means exactly what it says, the reverse of what would be expected, and is an anomoly that flies in the face of the expected patterning you boofhead, just like it reads.

Additional linked copies of the PGML/FOXD/CBWD genes exist elsewhere in the human genome, particularly near the p end of chromosome 9. This suggests that a copy of these genes may have been added to the end of the ancestral 2A or 2B prior to the fusion event. It remains to be determined if these inserted genes confer a selective advantage.

Listed are the extra genes not found in the chimp..PGML. FOXD. CBWD. etc there are a stack of them listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee_genom...

So the fusion site is the same or similar or nearly the same, as long as you ignore all the differences and are a good story teller and can come up with rhemes of evowoffle to explain why the obvious differences are not really there. Blind fools is what these desperados are!

Let's also not forget that 80% of genomic expression separates chimp from man? How does this reflect in these simplistic results that ignore all differences in a effort to derive the results one seeks?

How are the differences in telomere length calculated into the equation to produce anything that remotely should be desribed as similar.

So what does 'THE SAME' or "nearly the same" now mean to evolutionists? It means they will ignore all evidence to the contrary and zone in on what will support their view. It is however, misrepresentation, as usual!

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#60725 Nov 24, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
It's kind of depressing. She's probably a college dropout who still thinks she can hang with the pros.
I don't make any great scholarly claims but I'm fairly sure that I can usually pick out the fakes. Real academics don't often hang out on Topix for one. They don't ever talk like they're in a sailor hangout. Most importantly, they don't go off half-cocked and criticize someone's work unless they are VERY sure that they have a good grasp on the subject.
Maz is all over the place. The poor scientists probably attract a lot of loonies. I imagine they miss out on some good ideas by closing the door on the weirdos with messianic complexes.
You are still standing there with your huge mouth open on the back of just learning that all our dna is likely functional effectively meaning that for the past decade evolutionists have pratted on about shit. Yu are the fu.kwits.
Drink the hiVe

New York, NY

#60726 Nov 24, 2012
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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#60727 Nov 24, 2012
MazHere wrote:
timm17..my reply

1. Because evos can make no prediction around junk dna yet saw fit to shove the crap you call science down creationists throats, adnauseum. Now the table have turned and I am loving it so.
You have turned no tables. Merely made straw man arguments,arguments from ignorance, arguments from incredulity, and misinterpreted the few valid peer reviewed journals that you have linked. So far you have nothing.
2. Because good theories do not need to be contantly adjusted and any science is meant to be appropriately able to be falsified, which TOE can't. eg Junk dna proves evolution then a year later no junk dna says nothing for evolution. Hypocrites!
And who told you this? Newtons's Law of Gravitation was "wrong" by your standards. It had to be corrected by Einstein. And we know that Einstein is not right since he never could work in a quantum theory of gravitation. And gravity is extraordinarily simple. Why wouldn't a much more complex issue like life need a theory that had to be tweaked many times? And though tweaked often it is still essentially the same as it originally was. The theory of evolution is perhpas the most tested and most successful theory that man has ever made.
3. I have not made any mistake in relation to human ch2 at all. If you think you posted an adequate reply that I have missed then please requote it or shut up. You lot always like to pretend great replies
You are such a dork!.
Your stupid words are...
"This sequence (5'-CCCTAA-3) is the reverse complement of the standard pattern - which is what you would expect to find in a fusion.Get it? Probably not, or you wouldn't have posted evidence for me."
Opposite in this case means exactly what it says, the reverse of what would be expected, and is an anomoly that flies in the face of the expected patterning you boofhead, just like it reads.
Additional linked copies of the PGML/FOXD/CBWD genes exist elsewhere in the human genome, particularly near the p end of chromosome 9. This suggests that a copy of these genes may have been added to the end of the ancestral 2A or 2B prior to the fusion event. It remains to be determined if these inserted genes confer a selective advantage.
Listed are the extra genes not found in the chimp..PGML. FOXD. CBWD. etc there are a stack of them listed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee_genom...
So the fusion site is the same or similar or nearly the same, as long as you ignore all the differences and are a good story teller and can come up with rhemes of evowoffle to explain why the obvious differences are not really there. Blind fools is what these desperados are!
Let's also not forget that 80% of genomic expression separates chimp from man? How does this reflect in these simplistic results that ignore all differences in a effort to derive the results one seeks?
How are the differences in telomere length calculated into the equation to produce anything that remotely should be desribed as similar.
So what does 'THE SAME' or "nearly the same" now mean to evolutionists? It means they will ignore all evidence to the contrary and zone in on what will support their view. It is however, misrepresentation, as usual!
From what I have seen you have failed on this issue. You have a huge lack of peer reviewed articles that support your claim. That sort of science is outside of my comfort zone and I know it is well out of yours. Again, all you brought to the argument was a whole stinking pile of nothing.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#60728 Nov 24, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
You are still standing there with your huge mouth open on the back of just learning that all our dna is likely functional effectively meaning that for the past decade evolutionists have pratted on about shit. Yu are the fu.kwits.
You still have not shown that at all. You have at best shown that some of the non-coding DNA has a similarity to vestigial organs.

Get back to us when you show that ALL of the noncoding DNA has a function. And that has to include ERV's.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60729 Nov 24, 2012
MazHere wrote:
timm17..my reply
Nearly being the operative word like 'similar' that evos have no idea what it means. Nearly the same to evos means the same as long as one ignores all the vast differences. What does nearly mean? Yiu have forgotten to mention that not that long ago the fucion site was meant to be 'the same'. So now it is not the same, is that what you are clarifying for us?
1. Because evos can make no prediction around junk dna yet saw fit to shove the crap you call science down creationists throats, adnauseum. Now the table have turned and I am loving it so.
2. Because good theories do not need to be contantly adjusted and any science is meant to be appropriately able to be falsified, which TOE can't. eg Junk dna proves evolution then a year later no junk dna says nothing for evolution. Hypocrites!
3. I have not made any mistake in relation to human ch2 at all. If you think you posted an adequate reply that I have missed then please requote it or shut up. You lot always like to pretend great replies
You are such a dork!.
Your stupid words are...
"This sequence (5'-CCCTAA-3) is the reverse complement of the standard pattern - which is what you would expect to find in a fusion.Get it? Probably not, or you wouldn't have posted evidence for me."
Opposite in this case means exactly what it says, the reverse of what would be expected, and is an anomoly that flies in the face of the expected patterning you boofhead, just like it reads.
Additional linked copies of the PGML/FOXD/CBWD genes exist elsewhere in the human genome, particularly near the p end of chromosome 9. This suggests that a copy of these genes may have been added to the end of the ancestral 2A or 2B prior to the fusion event. It remains to be determined if these inserted genes confer a selective advantage.
Listed are the extra genes not found in the chimp..PGML. FOXD. CBWD. etc there are a stack of them listed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee_genom...
So the fusion site is the same or similar or nearly the same, as long as you ignore all the differences and are a good story teller and can come up with rhemes of evowoffle to explain why the obvious differences are not really there. Blind fools is what these desperados are!
Let's also not forget that 80% of genomic expression separates chimp from man? How does this reflect in these simplistic results that ignore all differences in a effort to derive the results one seeks?
How are the differences in telomere length calculated into the equation to produce anything that remotely should be desribed as similar.
So what does 'THE SAME' or "nearly the same" now mean to evolutionists? It means they will ignore all evidence to the contrary and zone in on what will support their view. It is however, misrepresentation, as usual!
1. I never heard about junk DNA before seeing this forum. It couldn't have been that big of a deal.

2. The abstractions behind the theory of Evolution don't change. The understanding of the actual mechanisms has changed. There's a lot to account for!

3. I'm pretty sure you don't understand what telomeres are and how they would manifest themselves in the case of two chromosomes combining. What was stated was NOT "the reverse of what would be expected". It was that you normally see a code string of "ABC" at the telomere. What you see in the middle of chromosome 2 is "ABCCBA". You're reading it wrong.

Stick to layman publications for a change!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomere

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#60730 Nov 24, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
It's kind of depressing. She's probably a college dropout who still thinks she can hang with the pros.
I don't make any great scholarly claims but I'm fairly sure that I can usually pick out the fakes. Real academics don't often hang out on Topix for one. They don't ever talk like they're in a sailor hangout. Most importantly, they don't go off half-cocked and criticize someone's work unless they are VERY sure that they have a good grasp on the subject.
Maz is all over the place. The poor scientists probably attract a lot of loonies. I imagine they miss out on some good ideas by closing the door on the weirdos with messianic complexes.
Evos have had to eat humble pie over junk dna. Evos are also able to meet the criteria of fools because for the past 150 years up until relatively recently, all the evidence they had for human knucklewalking ancestry was also shoved down creos throats only to turn to crap as well.

You quacker you are. The published research on Lucys flat foot highlights and references all the competing idea on just that one topic and all the garble that they point to in support of opposing ideas.

It is you lot of boofheads that go from one topic to the next in desperation and never take any discussion to completion because you are clueless sheep that need to be spoon fed your replies from the available literature.

So on the back of your history no creo has anything to worry about as far as looking like a clown is concerned.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#60731 Nov 24, 2012
Jim wrote:
So what you are saying is God F-ed him self to become the one God. What did he do look in a mirrow and say I am the one God. Even thow God is an English word. So there must have not been a God till the English created the word so the English created God.
Seriously Jim, you need to pay attention to your spellchecker.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#60732 Nov 24, 2012
Orangelion wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, no, it is from the bibles historical accuracy and proof of Christs resurrection.
There is NO proof of Christs resurrection.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60733 Nov 24, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Evos have had to eat humble pie over junk dna. Evos are also able to meet the criteria of fools because for the past 150 years up until relatively recently, all the evidence they had for human knucklewalking ancestry was also shoved down creos throats only to turn to crap as well.
You quacker you are. The published research on Lucys flat foot highlights and references all the competing idea on just that one topic and all the garble that they point to in support of opposing ideas.
It is you lot of boofheads that go from one topic to the next in desperation and never take any discussion to completion because you are clueless sheep that need to be spoon fed your replies from the available literature.
So on the back of your history no creo has anything to worry about as far as looking like a clown is concerned.
I quacker I am? Nuff said.

Good night.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60734 Nov 24, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously Jim, you need to pay attention to your spellchecker.
Or put down the TokeMaster!

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#60735 Nov 24, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
1. I never heard about junk DNA before seeing this forum. It couldn't have been that big of a deal.
2. The abstractions behind the theory of Evolution don't change. The understanding of the actual mechanisms has changed. There's a lot to account for!
3. I'm pretty sure you don't understand what telomeres are and how they would manifest themselves in the case of two chromosomes combining. What was stated was NOT "the reverse of what would be expected". It was that you normally see a code string of "ABC" at the telomere. What you see in the middle of chromosome 2 is "ABCCBA". You're reading it wrong.
Stick to layman publications for a change!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomere
if you have never heard about junk dna I am done talking to you. I am not interested in a discussion with an uneducated fool that suggests I am the incompetent one.

Human telomeres, with the exception of those in human sperm, are much shorter than telomeres in non-human primates. While human telomeres are shorter overall, there are gene families within telomeric regions, such as the KIR family, that have undergone human lineage specific duplication, have unique locations in telomeres in humans, and have undergone recombination and conversion events.

http://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/tel...

Well above is a published article that Wiki has not caught up with yet. That is why Wiki is a good place for fools like you to start.

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