Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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ARGUING with IDIOTS

Chico, CA

#60509 Nov 23, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Hardly. What other sort of "evidence" would you use? If you have some suggestions I am open to them. It seems that you might finally realize that evolution does have evidence that supports it.

Also, I judge science by its results. And do the same for religion. Things aren't looking too good for religion.
Mathematical, testimonial, logical, anecdotal...

How would you scientifically prove the number 5?

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#60510 Nov 23, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually there are over 20 fossil species between man and other apes that have been found to date.
That being said we don't need fossil evidence for every case of evolution. It seems that you still do not understand the evidence.
All fossils found to date fit into the model created by evolution. The one time creationists tried to make a model it was quickly busted by the fossil record. You cannot absolutely prove anything true in science. I believe that was Arguing With Himself who posted that, but you can disprove claims. A tricky point that many creationists cannot understand.
Oh for god sake you idiot will you please present some of this evidence.

What fossils? What what what?

The only thing tricky about all this is that evolutionists appear to think they are the only ones allowed to present the crap they have and the change that has littered evolutionary science for over 150 years.

That is your problem. You can hand wave away any evo anomoly, go with the flow around anything even after years of using some to refute creos now falsified, eg knuckle walking ancestry and junk dna. You evos have no shame at all.

What you can't do is give the same grace to creos where evos demand a higher level of substantiation from creationists than they have ever been able to provide themselves.

You have no chimp ancesotrs pal, I think they found some chimp teeth maybe dated to .5mya and that's about it unless you are one of the evo researchers that suggest Ardi or Lucy are chimp ancestors. There is a huge gap between erectus and anything else with a revolving door of supposed human ancestors.

So exactly what fossil evidence are you talking about and please present peer reviewed evidence or some shred of evidence, like you make creos do all the time.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

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#60511 Nov 23, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
<quoted text>
I seek because you proclaim. Now show me what convinced you.
The bible, the universe, personal encounter, through dreams and death...
Science and technology despite its potency, are unable to stop death. So, there is a power or knowledge above science and that is God.

Since: Oct 12

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#60512 Nov 23, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>Evolutionists do not need spagetti monsters. They have common ancestors to create myths about and support with algorithmic magic.

One would think it is the job of the scientific method to present more than myth and speculation to support the credibility of these so called common ancestors.

In relation to mankind you evos don't even have any fossil evidence to support chimp or gorilla ancestry. That's how great the fossil evidence is, one entire half of the story is missing.
Have you ever spent time with apes? Where do you think the idea came from that we might possibly be related.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#60513 Nov 23, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
<quoted text>
Mathematical, testimonial, logical, anecdotal...
How would you scientifically prove the number 5?
How would you apply mathematical proof?

What sort of testimony?

Logic, that is fine with me. Don't make false logical arguments.

Your rhetorical question indicates that you are a fool.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Chico, CA

#60514 Nov 23, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Actually there are over 20 fossil species between man and other apes that have been found to date.

That being said we don't need fossil evidence for every case of evolution. It seems that you still do not understand the evidence.

All fossils found to date fit into the model created by evolution. The one time creationists tried to make a model it was quickly busted by the fossil record. You cannot absolutely prove anything true in science. I believe that was Arguing With Himself who posted that, but you can disprove claims. A tricky point that many creationists cannot understand.
Again you make claims of evidence that supports your view but still do not provide any. It is clear that you are just repeating what you have heard and do not posses an understanding of subjects.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

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#60515 Nov 23, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
<quoted text>
Well at least you succumbed to his view of the holy trinity. Now you pose a new claim. Many non Christian cultures and tribes believe in god or gods. Are these also Christian because you have put forth the attribute that believing in a/the god/gods makes a Christian?
He was never a muslim, a pagan, or a budhist. He was ofcourse a christian, in his own right.

Since: Oct 12

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#60516 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>And yet death is inevitable. Every one including you, must get that penalty.
Penalty? My life nourishes the next as previous life nourished mine. Your view on terminus has no value in reality.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#60517 Nov 23, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh for god sake you idiot will you please present some of this evidence.
What fossils? What what what?
The only thing tricky about all this is that evolutionists appear to think they are the only ones allowed to present the crap they have and the change that has littered evolutionary science for over 150 years.
That is your problem. You can hand wave away any evo anomoly, go with the flow around anything even after years of using some to refute creos now falsified, eg knuckle walking ancestry and junk dna. You evos have no shame at all.
What you can't do is give the same grace to creos where evos demand a higher level of substantiation from creationists than they have ever been able to provide themselves.
You have no chimp ancesotrs pal, I think they found some chimp teeth maybe dated to .5mya and that's about it unless you are one of the evo researchers that suggest Ardi or Lucy are chimp ancestors. There is a huge gap between erectus and anything else with a revolving door of supposed human ancestors.
So exactly what fossil evidence are you talking about and please present peer reviewed evidence or some shred of evidence, like you make creos do all the time.
Nope Maz, I won't. You are too much of a contentious self contradicting idiot to help. I am merely pointing out the facts that you can look up yourself. Once again, over 20 fossil species. Transitional species have been shown to be transitional by Gish, one of your guys.

Do your own homework or apologize. You should know that if I claim something I can provide real science that backs it up. Unlike you. I don't need to misinterpret articles to make claims.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#60518 Nov 23, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
That is not evidence, or at best it is very weak evidence that does not have much credibility. Though it is impossible to debunk the entire Bible there are many flaws in it. Though creationists go into deep denial whenever it is pointed out it is true that all of Genesis has been debunked by science and Exodus has been debunked by archaeologists, which I guess would be under science too. Much of the Bible is historically wrong or self contradictory. The morals that it practices are horrible. As are its morals.
Oh pull your head in.

They have found pieces of Mark dated to the first century. That refutes a stack of all the woffle the intelligencia have to offer, who are no more than a bunch of chooks that have no idea what they are talking about anyway.

Moses, the composer of Genesis was the first to propose that the universe had a beginning, the water in the universe, plant life first, then the creatures of the sea, then land ending in mankind.

Do you really think evos were the first to think of that? They stole it fromn the bible and twisted it a little it to suit TOE. They have been having problems with the nested heirarchies of whales and birds ever since, including the fossil misrepresentation offered in support.

Genesis was the first to note that the moon was created after the earth.

There have been many biblical scriptures and sites discovered.

Quite frankly you have absolutley no idea what you are talking about.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#60519 Nov 23, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>Because you evos appear to be too silly to see that your research is handing creationists their evidence on a silver platter, and I love it.

Evots always think that the aim of creos is to falsify the unfalsifiable. So quack to you.

So far you lot have failed to provide credible replies to many things including your woffle on the backbone.

Also, Junk dna is just a great example of evos sprooking to one lot of evidence only to refute it. The same will go for any research you provide, that is if any of you knew how to provide it.

Also, it was the initial topic for discussion by Proffessor x in case you missed it.

Well again and for the umpteenth time I say bring it on. So far you have goofed off with vestigial organs, junk dna, fossil evidence for whales and half of the human/chimp split. We have spoken about ervs and that poster took off down another garden path, then another bright spark came up with human ch2. Who knows where he is hiding.

So you evos sprooke to this well documented evidence but when it comes to actually discussing any of it in depth you lot fall flat on your faces. It is all biased rubbish with no more credibility than anything I have supplied.

Would you like to have a go at presenting your best evidence or are you going to offer the usual evo banter of appealing to vagueary?
Ok... What's left for me to say. When I turn on CNN tomorrow ill expect a rewrite of known science by your side that's excepted by everyone. Cheers.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#60520 Nov 23, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope Maz, I won't. You are too much of a contentious self contradicting idiot to help. I am merely pointing out the facts that you can look up yourself. Once again, over 20 fossil species. Transitional species have been shown to be transitional by Gish, one of your guys.
Do your own homework or apologize. You should know that if I claim something I can provide real science that backs it up. Unlike you. I don't need to misinterpret articles to make claims.
If you are too lazy to post links then name these supoosed fossil that are meant to demonstrate the evolution of ape to man.

I don't use Gish. How many times do I have to tell you to stop being pathetic and puting words in my mouth you looser.

You certainly do not have any that support common ancestor to chimp!

I am simply asking you to name some of these so called 20 fossils. Is that too difficult for you.

I actually don't think you know what you are talking about and that is why you cannot name any of these great fossils.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#60521 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>He was never a muslim, a pagan, or a budhist. He was ofcourse a christian, in his own right.
Christian in his own right? So the individual can conclude himself a Christian outside of the establishment? Interesting. You just ripped down the principle foundation of the faith.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Everton, Australia

#60522 Nov 24, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok... What's left for me to say. When I turn on CNN tomorrow ill expect a rewrite of known science by your side that's excepted by everyone. Cheers.
Maybe you can help these others that keep saying they have all this evidendce but can never ever articlate any of it.

No CNN will have none of it, they are all inculcated to TOE and are fulled by such things as junk dna evo arguments for decades also.

Maybe you can mention some fossils that support ape to man.

I certainly can't think of any. Oh boy have I got some nice stuff from evos that suggest Ardi and Lucy are not human ancestors and huma ancestors are hiding in the human line up.

I am dying to share it with you all.

But there is no use refuting fossils of my choosing. You evos choose some that you suggest are convincing from the volumes you suggest you have, and we'll go fromn there.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#60523 Nov 24, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
<quoted text>
How is he not different? He had the audacity to question.
To me, that is a personal thing of him.
That however does not change his status as a christian.

“Don't be mad at me.”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#60524 Nov 24, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
<quoted text>
Christian in his own right? So the individual can conclude himself a Christian outside of the establishment? Interesting. You just ripped down the principle foundation of the faith.
Charles is a quaint little bugbear about anything intellectual. When his posts are inteligible they often refute themselves. He is so out of his own loop he doesn't recognize his self defeating nature.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#60525 Nov 24, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh pull your head in.
They have found pieces of Mark dated to the first century. That refutes a stack of all the woffle the intelligencia have to offer, who are no more than a bunch of chooks that have no idea what they are talking about anyway.
Moses, the composer of Genesis was the first to propose that the universe had a beginning, the water in the universe, plant life first, then the creatures of the sea, then land ending in mankind.
Do you really think evos were the first to think of that? They stole it fromn the bible and twisted it a little it to suit TOE. They have been having problems with the nested heirarchies of whales and birds ever since, including the fossil misrepresentation offered in support.
Genesis was the first to note that the moon was created after the earth.
There have been many biblical scriptures and sites discovered.
Quite frankly you have absolutley no idea what you are talking about.
They found pieces of Mark? Really? And how do they know that this is the Mark who wrote the gospel with his name. And even if this was true how do we know that anything he wrote was true?

So why did you bring this Mark nonsense up at all?

Moses probably did not write the penteteuch, and even if he did there are even older writings by other cultures.

Genesis got all sorts of facts wrong, and even got how the Moon was made wrong. So what if it got that the Moon was made after the Earth, the much huger mistake it makes is to claim that the Sun was made after the Earth. You cannot claim the Bible's victories if you are not willing to claim its mistakes.

It seems that Maz is quickly descending to the level of pure creatard.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#60526 Nov 24, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
<quoted text>
Penalty? My life nourishes the next as previous life nourished mine. Your view on terminus has no value in reality.
The truth is that, you will die like every other person. It is an inevitable end.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#60527 Nov 24, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you can help these others that keep saying they have all this evidendce but can never ever articlate any of it.

No CNN will have none of it, they are all inculcated to TOE and are fulled by such things as junk dna evo arguments for decades also.

Maybe you can mention some fossils that support ape to man.

I certainly can't think of any. Oh boy have I got some nice stuff from evos that suggest Ardi and Lucy are not human ancestors and huma ancestors are hiding in the human line up.

I am dying to share it with you all.

But there is no use refuting fossils of my choosing. You evos choose some that you suggest are convincing from the volumes you suggest you have, and we'll go fromn there.
Ok. Refute Homo Heidelbergensis as an ancestor. Make me believe!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#60528 Nov 24, 2012
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are too lazy to post links then name these supoosed fossil that are meant to demonstrate the evolution of ape to man.
I don't use Gish. How many times do I have to tell you to stop being pathetic and puting words in my mouth you looser.
You certainly do not have any that support common ancestor to chimp!
I am simply asking you to name some of these so called 20 fossils. Is that too difficult for you.
I actually don't think you know what you are talking about and that is why you cannot name any of these great fossils.
I am not too lazy. I gave you simple conditions to meet.

You may not use Gish, but you use just about every other creatard argument that there is out there.

But I will name some of the fossils found: Homo erectus and Australopithecus afarensis come to mind. There are many others. Do a Google search on them.

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