Evolution vs. Creation

[Charles Idemi]

MazHere wrote:

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This is what Charles said "People really can say all sort of things, whether true or false.
But we can not rule out the existence of spirits and demons.
They do exist."
Charles is being reasonable here. He suggests one has no evidence to rule them out. Then you call him a liar. He is not a liar. If there is no evidence to the contrary then one is no more delusional believing in a God than evos are for beliving in common ancestors that you have never seen.
By the way....Seeing that you want to talk philosophy instead of science, here is some for you......
Importantly, this has a direct bearing on the question of whether humans and other living creatures have souls. As Kant pointed out over 200 years ago, everything we experience – including all the colors, sensations and objects we perceive – are nothing but representations in our mind. Space and time are simply the mind's tools for putting it all together. Now, to the amusement of idealists, scientists are beginning dimly to recognize that those rules make existence itself possible. Indeed, the experiments above suggest that objects only exist with real properties if they are observed. The results not only defy our classical intuition, but suggest that a part of the mind – the soul – is immortal and exists outside of space and time.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentri...
You would rather think of yourself as a souless ape. Congratulations!

Intelligent.

[Subduction Zone]

MazHere wrote:

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So I gather that seeing as no evolutionist here can defend their theory I suggest that the conclusion to the deabte is that evolutionsists really have no clue.
They can talk alot, make big claims and point to mountains of outdated speculative rubbish. What they can't do is defend thier stance in the evolution vs creation debate with any more than 'they said so' and a gutful of philosophical rhetoric. EVOLUTIONISTS...YOU LOOSE!

Maz, I know you love to recycle old debunked creationist arguments. So you are rather low on the anyone's list of people to reply to.

You have never had a successful argument against evolution and worse yet you have never posted any scientific evidence for creationism. Of course you can hardly be blamed for the latter, there is no scientific evidence for creationism.

[NikkiShae]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text>Most dreams do come true.
This is an evidence no one can deny.

Most? Thats a stretch. Some do because they represent outcomes based on real life experience or consuming will.

[Charles Idemi]

MazHere wrote:

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So I gather that seeing as no evolutionist here can defend their theory I suggest that the conclusion to the deabte is that evolutionsists really have no clue.
They can talk alot, make big claims and point to mountains of outdated speculative rubbish. What they can't do is defend thier stance in the evolution vs creation debate with any more than 'they said so' and a gutful of philosophical rhetoric. EVOLUTIONISTS...YOU LOOSE!

Yes, nothing to show for over 150 years, but instead gossips, accusations and backbiting, to mention a few.

[NikkiShae]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text>In your deluded opinion.

All I have to say is score board. 2000+ years trumped by about 200.

[thewordofme]

MazHere wrote:

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This is what Charles said "People really can say all sort of things, whether true or false.
But we can not rule out the existence of spirits and demons.
They do exist."
Charles is being reasonable here. He suggests one has no evidence to rule them out. Then you call him a liar. He is not a liar. If there is no evidence to the contrary then one is no more delusional believing in a God than evos are for beliving in common ancestors that you have never seen.
By the way....Seeing that you want to talk philosophy instead of science, here is some for you......
Importantly, this has a direct bearing on the question of whether humans and other living creatures have souls. As Kant pointed out over 200 years ago, everything we experience – including all the colors, sensations and objects we perceive – are nothing but representations in our mind. Space and time are simply the mind's tools for putting it all together. Now, to the amusement of idealists, scientists are beginning dimly to recognize that those rules make existence itself possible. Indeed, the experiments above suggest that objects only exist with real properties if they are observed. The results not only defy our classical intuition, but suggest that a part of the mind – the soul – is immortal and exists outside of space and time.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentri...
You would rather think of yourself as a souless ape. Congratulations!

Sounds like some quantum theory to me...does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is there to hear it? Is quantum entanglement real, and how does it work exactly

Who says apes have no soul?

Can you define and prove the existence of souls? Where do they reside in my body? Who first made up this soul thing...was it Paul. Could be Paul I guess...he made up 'Original Sin' after all.

[Charles Idemi]

NikkiShae wrote:

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Fact never brings about faith, nor does faith bring about fact. Fact exist in complete disregard of faith.

Keep searching, until the answers are gotten. This is an act of faith.
Exploration, research, quest, etc, are all acts of faith.

[macumazahn]

FREE SERVANT wrote:

My grandmothers name was Stella which is a very old American Indian word that means star and it has origins in northern Italy. Nimrod sent out colonizing fragments that must have reached here,because it is on record that he reached Italy.

The name "Stella" is of Latin derivation, twit.

[NikkiShae]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text>Intelligent.

Ok so the Easter bunny, Santas' elves nor Fairies can be proven to not exist.

[Charles Idemi]

NikkiShae wrote:

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Fact. Flushing waste isn't biblical. Burying it is.

Likewise.

[Charles Idemi]

NikkiShae wrote:

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Most? Thats a stretch. Some do because they represent outcomes based on real life experience or consuming will.

In summary, dreams do come true. Period.

[NikkiShae]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text>Keep searching, until the answers are gotten. This is an act of faith.
Exploration, research, quest, etc, are all acts of faith.

Really? You seem to disregard this...

"There is another form of temptation, even more fraught with danger. This is the disease of curiosity. It is this which drives us to try and discover the secrets of nature, those secrets which are beyond our understanding, which can avail us nothing and which man should not wish to learn."

St. Augustine (354 - 430)

[MazHere]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Intelligent.

Yes Gods creation is intelligent...But no molecules to man, my friend....

We may also be special, despite the Copernican principle.....

Mathematicians’ theory means Earth may be the center of the universe

http://wallacegsmith.wordpress.com/2010/10/22...

[Charles Idemi]

NikkiShae wrote:

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All I have to say is score board. 2000+ years trumped by about 200.

Oh, you mean your projections or your wild guesses?

[MazHere]

thewordofme wrote:

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Sounds like some quantum theory to me...does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is there to hear it? Is quantum entanglement real, and how does it work exactly
Who says apes have no soul?
Can you define and prove the existence of souls? Where do they reside in my body? Who first made up this soul thing...was it Paul. Could be Paul I guess...he made up 'Original Sin' after all.

As I said previously you lot are hiding behind philosophy and trying to score fruitless points. The point is there is no evidence to suggest there is no God, so stop chasing your tail into philosophical conundrums and walkes doesn the garden path of evasion.

What's up?????????? Is science too hard for you evolutionists to get your head around?

[NikkiShae]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text>In summary, dreams do come true. Period.

Lol

[NikkiShae]

MazHere wrote:

<quoted text>Yes Gods creation is intelligent...But no molecules to man, my friend....

We may also be special, despite the Copernican principle.....

MathematiciansÂ’ theory means Earth may be the center of the universe

http://wallacegsmith.wordpress.com/2010/10/22...

Intelligent to who? The judge and jury?

[Charles Idemi]

NikkiShae wrote:

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Lol

LOL

[macumazahn]

NikkiShae wrote:

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Ah the power of God... Amazing how he/she/it can miraculously conform to your position without a shred of reliable evidence.

Poor Charles.

In addition to his difficulty with ESL (though fair dues to him for sorta trying), he appears to be a firm believer in the BPT*.

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*Big "Poof" Theory.

[Tinka]

heh wrote:

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Are all gods real or just the Christian one?

That's what I am saying so my Egyptian neighbor's cat is the real God...

End of the God saga and the stories of the God we trust in and give our life to..The money God the no.1 god is he...

I much rather pray to a black cat and feed her a rat as a treat than to lie my faith into the theory that money heals all wounds...

Love than really wouldn't mean a thing but that and it is supposed to be the ultimate force and I think now that America for a most of it's in part is a bigger flip flop FLOP than anything...
Merry Christmas and may the presents be of plenty under every child's tree this year and may there be a way that every child throughout America will have that place a home and a tree with presents under it...

If that is not going to happen the Real Deal may really get p's off...

Christ and his all memory of when he was born in the stable freezing it was what did the wise man bring Mary anything?

She deserves her peace too more than Christ does I am sure to have given birth to have dealt and to have watched her son being placed on the cross with no one even trying to get him freed?

People that once grabbed at him were healed through a believe if maybe for none other than that to have had a believe, well Christ Jesus GOD LORD AND KING he is like the super magical super hero if he knows math too that would be extreme...