Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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So what you're saying is you've been around for a tiny fraction of the length of time of the Earth and you want to see total changes of biological DOMAINS?
Well done. You just told everyone you never had any science education at all.
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The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. This is not a problem.
Also those fake fossils you mentioned like Piltdown et al, according to you they are NOT fake. Because you REJECT the science involved that demonstrated them to be fake.
You don't know this because not only have you not had an education you decided to find out about science from a bunch of idiots stuck in Dark Age thinking who think everything happened by magic due to an invisible Jewish wizard.
And hey, maybe it did.(shrug)
But it used evolution.
Sorry if you don't like that.
Go for the gusto progressive!, PLUNDER! PISS IT AWAY! AND APPLAUD YOURSELF!. As the great Margaret Thatcher said, "Socialism is great until you run put of other people's money". After that you'll have to "evolve your ass off the free ride couch" and discover the basic science of economics. You applaud your education, but do you take more than you give Mr Progressive ? Who is it that you feel entitled to weigh down ? Does it make you feel important to try bring others down to your level ? Is it fair, progressive that they forgo going to the pub, and not buying your drinks ? Is it fair that they save and invest, while you've piss your time away ? Is it right that they recognize to need to grow, while you feel the need to confiscate their reputation, resources, and freedom ? It appears you missed your calling and time. You should have been born in the 17th century, as you fit the profile of a fine English slave trader

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<quoted text>What does Isaac Newton's death have to do with anything? Why would my witnessing his death have any bearing on the topic?
Isaac Newton was a heretic who did not believe in the holy trinity. Somehow, he made it through life without being exposed but he probably was not happy with the confinement that the politics of his day forced on him. He spent a good part of his latter days researching religion and alchemy. He also is suspected to have had Asperger syndrome and may have developed Mercury poisoning through his alchemical pursuits.
That's something you can look up on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton
He was a Christian that is all.
He is unlike you guys that are liars and backbiters.

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Oh, he usually comes back. And perhaps this time he'll have another Bigfoot carcass.
He might say he has.

Will anyone believe him, that’s is the question.
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Sure you can debunk evolution if you use straw man arguments. Why don't you try to argue against what the theory of evolution actually says?
Earlier you lied and said there is no evidence for evolution. Well, perhaps you didn't lie. You might be a total gibbering idiot. Those are the only two possible cases. Now there is no scientific evidence that supports creation, you could have claimed that. Of course a group that is largely responsible for that is creationists themselves. The problem with scientific evidence is that it cuts both ways and creationists who know at least a smidgeon of science know that it would be too easy to debunk any hypothesis of creation. It would not ever get to the theory stage.
Of course not, when the judge and jury are socialist , then I'm judged by their agenda which strangely doesn't acknowledge their past forgeries and "mistakes". Can you ever remember a textbook disclaiming one of their irrefutable findings ? If you don't smell rotten fish in Denmark, friend, you have a sinus infection. And a very large sinus indeed.
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All we ask for is some evidence for the existence of any god. It does not make sense to worship anything that there is no evidence of existing.
The makers are if fact manipulating and controlling all life on this planet.........they function in a dimension the primitive human animal will never and dosnt want to comprehend. The Bible story is nothing more than intelligent beings distorting the truth.....to fool the human animal. A brilliant disguise!

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Chuck IS a liar, but that's beside the point in this case. However Charles in this case too is being unreasonable. He made a claim with zero evidence. Scientifically speaking, the existence of spirits and demons cannot be ruled out. But without evidence they cannot be ruled in either.
So until he can provide objective testable scientific evidence to support his claim there is no reason to lend any credence to his claims.
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Unfortunately when one looks at the actual paper there is nothing about Quantum interference of large organic molecules to suggest the existence of the soul. Of course internet being what it is, and that even includes popular websites directed at Joe-Public, it is inevitable that complicated subjects like quantum physics is twisted by some wishful thinking crank who thinks it supports quantum woo. And this is precisely what you've got a case of right here.
Besides, even if it DID prove spirituality it's quite obvious it's proving the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
If you don't dream, others do dream, fall into trance, reveal the un-imaginables and prophesy, etc.

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The rocks that I stacked up when I was a kid, are still rocks. The caterpillars I caught never turned into a fish or a snake, but miraculously stayed moths or butterflies. Tadpoles didn't turn into Rihanna or earthworms, but miraculously remained frogs or toads. Most " irrefutable" evidence was fraudulent like the evolving moths, or pilt- down man or Lucy. And the the famous lightning in a mudhole proclamation forming amino acids. Do me a favor, and take apart your car piece by piece and scatter all over your back yard. After this, lets wager in 10 years, that those car pieces will evolve back into your Buick ready and running. And you think we believe in MAGIC ?
Intelligent.
Interesting...

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So what you're saying is you've been around for a tiny fraction of the length of time of the Earth and you want to see total changes of biological DOMAINS?
Well done. You just told everyone you never had any science education at all.
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The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. This is not a problem.
Also those fake fossils you mentioned like Piltdown et al, according to you they are NOT fake. Because you REJECT the science involved that demonstrated them to be fake.
You don't know this because not only have you not had an education you decided to find out about science from a bunch of idiots stuck in Dark Age thinking who think everything happened by magic due to an invisible Jewish wizard.
And hey, maybe it did.(shrug)
But it used evolution.
Sorry if you don't like that.
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Go for the gusto progressive!, PLUNDER! PISS IT AWAY! AND APPLAUD YOURSELF!. As the great Margaret Thatcher said, "Socialism is great until you run put of other people's money". After that you'll have to "evolve your ass off the free ride couch" and discover the basic science of economics. You applaud your education, but do you take more than you give Mr Progressive ? Who is it that you feel entitled to weigh down ? Does it make you feel important to try bring others down to your level ? Is it fair, progressive that they forgo going to the pub, and not buying your drinks ? Is it fair that they save and invest, while you've piss your time away ? Is it right that they recognize to need to grow, while you feel the need to confiscate their reputation, resources, and freedom ? It appears you missed your calling and time. You should have been born in the 17th century, as you fit the profile of a fine English slave trader
Hey Dude, methinks you have upset another godbot

Gstspkr, the “Great” Margaret Thatcher legacy –

The institutionalised corruption of privatising the nation’s utilities so her mates in the City could get ever richer.
The complete dismantling of entire industries and the communities that relied on them.
Engineering the biggest transfer of wealth from the poorest to the richest ever seen in the UK up to that point.
The Poll Tax
Riots.
Poverty.
Record unemployment,
The most draconian and repressive employment legislation anywhere in the developed world

Her defence of and friendship with Chilean mass-murdering dictator General Pinochet
The ruination of the NHS to name but a few of her achievements.
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Portal wrote:
<quoted text>The makers are if fact manipulating and controlling all life on this planet.........they function in a dimension the primitive human animal will never and dosnt want to comprehend. The Bible story is nothing more than intelligent beings distorting the truth.....to fool the human animal. A brilliant disguise!
And the socialist gospel proclaims that once upon a time a lightning bolt struck a possible ammoniated methane pool, generated stray amino acids which possibly hooked up in a manner which allowed it feed, digest and reproduce itself. Sorry progressive genius, I just can't buy swamp land in southern Arizona, but you obviously have that "kind of blind faith" for such an investment.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> If you don't dream, others do dream, fall into trance, reveal the un-imaginables and prophesy, etc.
So that’s how you manage to survive, you seem to be in a dream, you are totally ignorant of the effect you spite and hatred has on people, you are clueless to the facts of the real world

Yes you living in a dream world really does make sense

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, the curiousity to find out the unknown without giving up, is an act of faith.
But no concrete evidence to date, to in-validate the existence of the almighty.
I've never found concrete evidence to date to invalidate the existence of the boogie man under my bed. Oh wait, I looked and he wasn't there.

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Maybe it programmed the organisms to be able to adjust within certain parameters. You seem to think that that if you jump off a cliff, you'll evolve wings before hit the bottom. Perhaps the Russian citizenry discovered the Christians weren't public enemy #1 like Marx, Lenin, and Stalin claimed. Maybe as they witnessed them being shipped off to the Gulag didn't make their own life any better. And maybe they saw something real instead of listening to a bunch of empty promises from their government, media, and professors.
Methinks you have a serious problem with the concept of time
 
You seem think that because god is claimed to have done it in 6 days then science should be able to do the same, and here lies the falacy.  There is no evidecne that god did it in 6 days, it’s a story made up by bronze age guys

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macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>That's the motto of the Jesuits.
"Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam".
Are you sure you're not a Closet Catholic?
God is the creator of the world and the universe.
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Hey Dude, methinks you have upset another godbot
Gstspkr, the “Great” Margaret Thatcher legacy –
The institutionalised corruption of privatising the nation’s utilities so her mates in the City could get ever richer.
The complete dismantling of entire industries and the communities that relied on them.
Engineering the biggest transfer of wealth from the poorest to the richest ever seen in the UK up to that point.
The Poll Tax
Riots.
Poverty.
Record unemployment,
The most draconian and repressive employment legislation anywhere in the developed world
Her defence of and friendship with Chilean mass-murdering dictator General Pinochet
The ruination of the NHS to name but a few of her achievements.
Ah ! The English slave trader's best friend has arrived. I'm in fine company now.

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MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>Unfortunately, the evolutionary fiasco played out like the changing scenes and scenarios that support the overarching TOE is much like any bed time story and cannot be proven to not exist. That is why TOE is virtually unfalsifiable and does not meet the a credible standard of falsifiability.

Hence, my question in relation to evolutionists predictions around non coding dna. What supports TOE? If in 50 years time it is demonstrated that all of the genome is functional, as creationists predict, what then? Does that mean TOE is flse?

Not on Darwins death bed! Hence although TOE can make a few scant predictions, it is virtually unfalsifiable and has little predictability.

All faiths can interpret data to suit themselves and come up with their own algorithmic magic to support themselves.

I think to be closed to only one view is problematic.

The thing is it seriously looks like creos are on better tracks than evos.

General creationist predictions on junk dna and so called vestigal organs are being supported more as time goes on. That appears to be a fact. These are stable predictions.

If proven in time, I suggest evolutionists will have lost a huge support for evolutionary theory, despite any handwaving they come up with to explain it.
For the last 2000+ years the sheep have been stating that "one day you'll see".

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<quoted text>To God be the glory.
Without God, there is no earth or universe( planets).
Says who?

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So that’s how you manage to survive, you seem to be in a dream, you are totally ignorant of the effect you spite and hatred has on people, you are clueless to the facts of the real world
Yes you living in a dream world really does make sense
All humans do dream...
May be you are not a human.

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I've never found concrete evidence to date to invalidate the existence of the boogie man under my bed. Oh wait, I looked and he wasn't there.
Funny. God is ominispresent, he is every where. Feel his presence.
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For the last 2000+ years the sheep have been stating that "one day you'll see".
And since Plato's Republic, men have been creating Utopias. At the expense of others in the fine progressive fashion.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> All humans do dream...
May be you are not a human.
Actually, no. In REM sleep not all of the brain's activities cause a dream, what we see as a dream is actually processing of information that we recall in the morning, but the memories of that process are incomplete, thus they get blanks filled in with randomness. The effect eventually fades, some people it fades immediately on waking, thus they have no "dream," to them it is all just sleep.

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