Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#60246 Nov 23, 2012
superwilly wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for validating scripture!

Proverbs 21:3
"To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice."
Proverbs 21:2-4
Scrutamini Scripturas
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60247 Nov 23, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Suck eggs. You are one of the boofheads have no clue about what is or isn't a creationist site.
"let's just say"..What now are you still unclear what is or isn't a creationist site even though you can open the links and look for yourself. Don't you know how to open links either?
Your ignorance supports the fact that you have no idea about recent advances in evolutionary theory. It is that simple. It is like I am trying to have a debate with a 12 year old.
Now you're just being a forum mud wrestler!

That sciencemag.org site looks fairly legitimate, but don't read into what is posted. Things like "negative epistasis" doesn't mean that natural mutation doesn't drive evolution. It just means what scientists have always said. A vast majority of mutations are harmful. I suppose that it also says that even with the best of efforts, some species run out of strategies to exploit and go extinct.

Researchers don't usually spew out political dogma. It's dangerous to their careers. I will concede that university types tend to have some liberal prejudices and most consider religions that fight against a natural order to be obstructionist.

That's what it comes down to. Science is about a natural order that is NEVER changed by divine intervention. The burden of proof is on you. Nobody has to prove a negative.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#60248 Nov 23, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>The name "Stella" is of Latin derivation, twit.
Then would you please tell us when you think the name "Stella" first came into the American Indian dialect?

“Waytogo”

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#60249 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And yet you like every other living being will die.
And like all religions. Your is a man mad lies to control people and make money and gain power by the churches.

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#60250 Nov 23, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
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Who created God?
That is absurd, define God ?
An all-powerful and the all sufficient God can never be created.
He is the alpha and omega.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60251 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And yet you like every other living being will die.
And you are trying to sell snake oil that you claim will cheat death. Face it. You're trying to cheat the dirt nap, one way or another.

Liar!

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#60252 Nov 23, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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Liar!
LIAR!!!
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60253 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> That is absurd, define God ?
An all-powerful and the all sufficient God can never be created.
He is the alpha and omega.
Than we can assume that he is already complete in purpose. No further action required.

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#60254 Nov 23, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Why would humans want to create another Earth, there are probably an infinite number of Earths out there.
Created by no one but God.
He created the universe.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60255 Nov 23, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Then would you please tell us when you think the name "Stella" first came into the American Indian dialect?
I'm sure that any language with vocabularies in the hundreds of thousands will coincidentally have one or two words of similar meaning and phonetics.

“Waytogo”

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#60256 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> That is absurd, define God ?
An all-powerful and the all sufficient God can never be created.
He is the alpha and omega.
LOL LOL LOL.....Ok so oooooooooooooogod is all powerfull so he doesnt have to abide by rules or laws of science...LOL....Keep your nazi fascist KKK religous lies....I will lvie in facts and truth.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60257 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>LIAR!!!
Gonna cry?
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#60258 Nov 23, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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The universe formed, there were certain "laws" in the universe. The Earth formed as a result of these laws. Now we're on it. There, explained at a level even you can comprehend.
The earth was without form, and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep until the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, and God said, Let there be light: and there was light. God is the law.

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#60259 Nov 23, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
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And like all religions. Your is a man mad lies to control people and make money and gain power by the churches.
That is why every one, including pastors will be judged accordingly. This is after death.

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#60260 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> That is why every one, including pastors will be judged accordingly. This is after death.
LOL ok insane person. After a thousand or more years does your cult have any proof of your god or anything to back up your buybull BS?....??

“Waytogo”

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#60261 Nov 23, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The earth was without form, and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep until the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, and God said, Let there be light: and there was light. God is the law.
Proof?

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#60262 Nov 23, 2012
superwilly wrote:
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Then ignore it instead of prattling on and on like this.
SubdutionZone is a champ due to amounts of post and nothing to do with content. He has absolutely no idea except to mimick others words he likely cannot comprehend himself.

Here is a message to Subduction Zone.....

The work on epitasis I have presented actually supports other research on genetic entropy by John C Sanford.

Of course evos, that have some clue, will point to a swathe of blather that refutes Sanford. Of course evos use their own assumption as a refute and tis is and always has been circular. This new research actually refutes the refute to Sanfords work and turns previous refutes into mindless blather.

"These results provide the first evidence that patterns of epistasis may differ for within- and between-gene interactions during adaptation and that diminishing returns epistasis contributes to the consistent observation of decelerating fitness gains during adaptation."

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...

These data support models in which negative epistasis contributes to declining rates of adaptation over time. Sign epistasis was rare in this genome-wide study, in contrast to its prevalence in an earlier study of mutations in a single gene.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...

Some geese here suggest quoting the operative phrase of a research article is quote mining. I say to them they should try presenting some evidence instead of quacking and demonstrating they have no clue what it is to support ones view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Sanford

Sanford was a respected evo researcher with published papers, turned YEC.

Yes evo researchers that provide this stuff still support TOE. It is just that they have to keep coming up with the most ridiculous and non plausible scenarios to protect their TOE from zombification. The point being that evos have nothing more than handwaving to refute anything any creationist has to say.

Hence a creationist view or faith is no less valuable nor less supported than yours, be it theist or atheist.

So your claim that creationists have not come up with their own algorithmic magic, nor their own interpretations of any data, is made from ignorance. You want croes to understand TOE better than any of you here can and you also appear to have no idea what creos have to present in support of their beliefs. Many evos here are extraordinarily ignorant. Few have any clue.

What evolutionists present as empirical evidence is not really empirical evidence at all. That is just one reason I assert evolutionists have nothing of substance to offer. Subductionzone can feel free to refute me with some evidence rather than his most humble opinion.

Evos invent hypothesis backed by rubbish and then use that to challenge creationists.eg junk dna, an organisms ability to adapt without limits on the back of endless accumulative beneficial mutations, knucklewalking wrist bones,Mendellian inheritance must be the only form of inheritance etc.

So go your hardest evos. My prediction is that I will get more woffle and generalizations with not a shred of research in support and no articulated reply, meaning my points are made and sustained.

Hint: Most research older than 10 years is likely outdated or falsified in favour of the latest flavour of the month.

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#60263 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>The earth never came up on its own or through any big bang.
God created the earth.
Man can only shape the earth, but can never create one.
Charles the Earth gains around 40,000 tons of space rocks and dust every year in the same process that created it. Earth didn't come to be from the "Big Bang" or a giant magic thumb and forefinger.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#60264 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> That is why every one, including pastors will be judged accordingly. This is after death.
Liar! What you're really saying is that you are always judgmental and you don't wait until you have any facts.

You built this wall. Until you tear it down, nobody is going to believe that you are anything but a liar.

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#60265 Nov 23, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
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LOL LOL LOL.....Ok so oooooooooooooogod is all powerfull so he doesnt have to abide by rules or laws of science...LOL....Keep your nazi fascist KKK religous lies....I will lvie in facts and truth.
An all-powerful that can create the solar system, the nine planets, and makes the earth the only verifiable place of existence can never be created.

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