Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
Double Fine wrote:
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Language predates that
The language of the Hebrews is distinct enough to be the oldest. Think outside of the box! It's all I'm asking...*HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE*

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Nov 22, 2012
 
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The language of the Hebrews is distinct enough to be the oldest. Think outside of the box! It's all I'm asking...*HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE*
"Distinct enough"?

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Nov 22, 2012
 
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I believe the oldest language may be Hebrew and it was once known as the language of Canaan. One of the oldest writings in Hebrew is in that language and it is on the Moabite Stone. Babylon and the Assyrian empire played a great part in the history of ancient Hebrew.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_language...
Lists languages with written samples 2000 years before Hebrew, some few are

Seminarian
Egyptian
Hittite
Greek
Old Chinese

These excluded the proto literate Kish tablet from more than 2500 years before Hebrew writing and the evidence of the symbolic writing that dates back to the Neolithic Age

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_writi...

The Hebrew language did not begin to develop until early in the 1st millennium BC and the Moabite Stone is dated around 100 year later

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Nov 22, 2012
 
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The language of the Hebrews is distinct enough to be the oldest. Think outside of the box! It's all I'm asking...*HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE*
Ahh the old “Think outside the box” ploy

You mean never mind facts, everyone should all accept what you say.

Sorry, Life doesn’t work like that
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Nov 22, 2012
 
Double Fine wrote:
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"Distinct enough"?
Good start for the Aussies, no Watson though!

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Nov 22, 2012
 
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Good start for the Aussies, no Watson though!
224 off 243 balls. Simply staggering.

Fourth double ton this year... Clarke is somesthing special
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Nov 22, 2012
 
Double Fine wrote:
Oh really?
The farther species are from us on the evolutionary tree, the farther the differ in terms of DNA comparisons. Do you wish to argue that this is coincidence?
He's talking about datasets of larger genetic groups within the genome, which when measured that way leads to something like his figure of 80%. It's a different way of measurement and creationists dishonestly use that figure to claim that chimps aren't actually as closely related as we thought, but when goes for a straight base-for-base comparison it does match to around 98%. Either way it still means the most similar genome to humans is that of chimps,*and* it is consistent with nested hierarches found across comparative anatomy, fossil record, DNA *and* orthologous ERV's.

In other words, reality AIN'T what he wishes it to be. Now if only morphological hierarchies and DNA hierarchies didn't have to match...

:-(
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Nov 22, 2012
 
Hey MAZ! Got yourself a "scientific theory" of IDC yet?

Didn't think so.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
ChristineM wrote:
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Ahh the old &#8220;Think outside the box&#8221; ploy
You mean never mind facts, everyone should all accept what you say.
Sorry, Life doesn&#8217;t work like that
I believe that Noah may have spoke Canaanite because his son Ham is the father of Canaan. Read GENESIS 9:18.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
MazHere wrote:
TOE is based on the philosophical assumption that all life arose without the hand of God. From here theist evolutionists throw in their slant.
Hence, it does not matter if we are 99% the same as a chimp or 99% different, it does not matter if all our dna is functional or 98% is junk. It does not matter if one single finding can over turn the current thinking of the day, because evolutionists come from the standpoint that evolution must be true and they will interpret any data from an evolutionary base.
Really? Because this is *you* saying evidence doesn't matter.
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Evolutionists have made many claims that have been refuted.
Well no-one's refuted this yet:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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I, personally don't really care how God created.
Exactly, yes, I've already agreed with you that evidence does not matter to you. A God(s) may or may not exist. Either way, unlike I can with evolution, you can't even demonstrate that such a thing exists, much less how it did whatever it is you think it did, which apparently you don't even know, or care, because you just said so.

But if there is a God, it used evolution.

Sorry if you don't like it.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
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<quoted text>I believe that
We still don't care Mikey.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
The Canaanite word EMA or MOM or MAMA is vaguely seen today in most all languages refering to mother. My father called his mother Maw and she called her mother Mama and she was American Indian. Just sayin ;).
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Nov 22, 2012
 
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Freakshow...science supports scriptures. If there is doubt...then faith must preside.
So what you're saying is you can't back up your claims, and you can't address our rebuttals when we point out your errors because in the end evidence doesn't matter to you. Gotcha.

Fundies always shoot themselves in the foot...
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Nov 22, 2012
 
Russell wrote:
Now children remember, nothing, when left to itself turns into everything. This is how everything 'evolved' isn't it?? Oh don't forget, hydrogen, when left long enough turns into people. If you believe that you have great faith. Evolution is a religious faith - a substitute for Christianity. There is not one shred of evidence for evolution. Just lots of blind faith. Science has always supported what the Bible says about our origins, and other things. Gasp, stretch.. Has anything jumped out of the blender? Remember?? We did an experiment to see if life would jump out of a soup made up of amino acids, enzymes, proteins etc. All right I'll not keep you in suspense any longer. The answer is.... no! Life will not jump out of the chemical soup. Sorry for the disappointment. Life can only come from life:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now which smartypants can tell me the reference for this bible verse??
O HAI RUSS! I see you're still repeating fallacious refuted claims, lying and going for the Gish Gallop. And that's just the other thread.

Got a "scientific theory" for GODDIDIT WITH MAGIC yet?

Thought so.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
The Dude wrote:
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We still don't care Mikey.
Well at least you read three words of my post......

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Nov 22, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> There is no correlation what so ever.
This is just a false accusation, from the scriptures.

You are suggesting the scriptures bear false witness!?!?\

Blasphemy!

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He's talking about datasets of larger genetic groups within the genome, which when measured that way leads to something like his figure of 80%. It's a different way of measurement and creationists dishonestly use that figure to claim that chimps aren't actually as closely related as we thought, but when goes for a straight base-for-base comparison it does match to around 98%. Either way it still means the most similar genome to humans is that of chimps,*and* it is consistent with nested hierarches found across comparative anatomy, fossil record, DNA *and* orthologous ERV's.
In other words, reality AIN'T what he wishes it to be. Now if only morphological hierarchies and DNA hierarchies didn't have to match...
:-(
Yo Dude.

How's it hanging?

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FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I believe that Noah may have spoke Canaanite because his son Ham is the father of Canaan. Read GENESIS 9:18.
What you “believe” is irrelevant. Forget personalities for which there is no evidence, lets concentrate on actual languages for which there is evidence.

The Canaanite language developed around 3500 years ago and is the root of several other languages. Hebrew is a development of Canaanite that began to be used more than 500 years later.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
My mother called her mother MAMA and she was American Indian. I think most all languages have kinship with Hebrew.

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My mother called her mother MAMA and she was American Indian. I think most all languages have kinship with Hebrew.
Hebrew is not Canaanite. Just as English is developed from old German and other languages so Hebrew developed from Canaanite

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