Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Nov 17, 2012
 
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You are a senseless FREAKSHOW....wanting to be heard.........your views are decisive and corrupt. You are a scummy person trying to be like all of us....you never will be, as you spew garbage...sadly...daily.
Get behind.
This is reality that no one can ever deny including a freak like you.

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Nov 17, 2012
 
You mean, like your denial of the fact that your only source was a crackpot who had to publish his own material because it didn't pass scientific muster?
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ScienceDaily is a popular website. Got any actual peer-reviewed scientific research articles? No, I didn't think so.
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Quack quack, have you told Hawkins he is an idiot yet??????
Still no peer-reviewed scientific research article that identifies any of those 10 items you provided.

I expect we'll be waiting a long time for such an article to be produced by you.

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Nov 17, 2012
 
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How about the myth of single celled LUCA, the story of a tree stumped by HGT?
Stumped? Don't think so:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB822.h...

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Nov 17, 2012
 
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I read the site. Nothing in that site says that Germans can understand Old English.
If you believe otherwise, provide a quote from the site.
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Until you provide an actual quote from the site that says that Germans can understand Old English, then I am correct, and you are still wrong.
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The article doesn't say that Old English is closely related to "German". It says that it is closely related to "Old Frisian and Low German". Low German is not what we mean when we say "German". Low German is an Ingvaeonic language. What we call "German" is actually *High* German, which is not an Ingvaeonic language. High German is a Erminonic language.
In any event, Old English, Old Frisian, and Low German (actually, its ancestor, which was Old Saxon) were closely related because they are all Ingvaeonic. But that doesn't tell us that modern speakers of Low German can *understand* Old English. Speakers of Old Saxon might have been able to understand Old English, but just as speakers of Modern English cannot understand Old English, there is no reason to believe that speakers of Low German can understand Old English.
Now, unless you can provide an actual source that tells us that speakers of Low German can *understand* Old English, you still have nothing.
It means that the languages are similar to one another. Old English is closely related to German and Icelandic, that means the people of Germany and Iceland can understand old English more than the modern English.
My stand is that, English(modern), though having roots in other European languages, started as a single independent language in England. That independent language called English or modern English, was first spoken in England.
You are still not getting the point. This is not the issue of claiming any rights, but the issue of understanding. Old English is not the same as modern English, but it is closely related to German and Icelandic. What does that mean to you?
You are wrong.

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Drew Smith wrote:
I read the site. Nothing in that site says that Germans can understand Old English.
If you believe otherwise, provide a quote from the site.
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Until you provide an actual quote from the site that says that Germans can understand Old English, then I am correct, and you are still wrong.
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The article doesn't say that Old English is closely related to "German". It says that it is closely related to "Old Frisian and Low German". Low German is not what we mean when we say "German". Low German is an Ingvaeonic language. What we call "German" is actually *High* German, which is not an Ingvaeonic language. High German is a Erminonic language.
In any event, Old English, Old Frisian, and Low German (actually, its ancestor, which was Old Saxon) were closely related because they are all Ingvaeonic. But that doesn't tell us that modern speakers of Low German can *understand* Old English. Speakers of Old Saxon might have been able to understand Old English, but just as speakers of Modern English cannot understand Old English, there is no reason to believe that speakers of Low German can understand Old English.
Now, unless you can provide an actual source that tells us that speakers of Low German can *understand* Old English, you still have nothing.
It means that the languages are similar to one another. Old English is closely related to German and Icelandic, that means the people of Germany and Iceland can understand old English more than the modern English.
My stand is that, English(modern), though having roots in other European languages, started as a single independent language in England. That independent language called English or modern English, was first spoken in England.
Liar!
This is not true, the article mentioned old English having a relationship between low German and old frisian. Further down, it also went further to explain that, its relationship is also closer to German and Icelandic. This is a fact that you can not shy away from. You lose.

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You are a senseless FREAKSHOW....wanting to be heard.........your views are decisive and corrupt. You are a scummy person trying to be like all of us....you never will be, as you spew garbage...sadly...daily.
Again, from it shows you really don't have any thing tangible to offer, other than to insult. If you have evidence, bring it up. Untill then, get behind.

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Nov 17, 2012
 
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No, that's not what the site said. It said nothing about Old English being "closely related to German and Icelandic". It said that the *grammar* of Old English was much closer to that of German and Icelandic.
It still does not say that modern speakers of either German or Icelandic would be able to understand Old English. The changes in both vocabulary and pronunciation would be the problem.
Ofcourse, you are now on track. If it says that, the grammar between old English and German are similar, it means that the Germans understand the language better than the modern English.
The above statement, was also mentioned on the presented sites.

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The article doesn't say that Old English is closely related to "German". It says that it is closely related to "Old Frisian and Low German". Low German is not what we mean when we say "German". Low German is an Ingvaeonic language. What we call "German" is actually *High* German, which is not an Ingvaeonic language. High German is a Erminonic language.
In any event, Old English, Old Frisian, and Low German (actually, its ancestor, which was Old Saxon) were closely related because they are all Ingvaeonic. But that doesn't tell us that modern speakers of Low German can *understand* Old English. Speakers of Old Saxon might have been able to understand Old English, but just as speakers of Modern English cannot understand Old English, there is no reason to believe that speakers of Low German can understand Old English.
Now, unless you can provide an actual source that tells us that speakers of Low German can *understand* Old English, you still have nothing.
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Liar!
The liar would be you, since you're the one claiming that Germans can understand Old English, despite the fact that you have yet to provide a single source that supports that claim.
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This is not true, the article mentioned old English having a relationship between low German and old frisian.
Yes, their *relationship* is that they are descended from a common language. Just as French and Romanian are descended from a common language. But there's no evidence that French speakers can understand Romanian or vice versa.
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Further down, it also went further to explain that, its relationship is also closer to German and Icelandic.
No, it says that it has *features* that are closer, such as its grammar.

Where in there does it say that Germans can understand Old English?

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Nov 17, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
If it says that, the grammar between old English and German are similar, it means that the Germans understand the language better than the modern English.
Where is your evidence that modern Germans can understand Old English? We're still waiting.

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Stumped? Don't think so:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB822.h...
Your links says nothing to refute the fact that single celled LUCA was killed by HGT. You evos are now looking for some organelle!

Strange how you pick one example out of a plethora that support my point? or desperate? How about over 150 years of human knuckle walking ancestry that was shoved at creationists, ad nauseum, that now resides in the huge rubbish bin of evolutionary delusions past?

This is from your link...."As a result, the tree of life does not stem from a single trunk but from a reticulated collection of stems". That, is what has changed!

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Horizontal gene transfer (HGT; also known as lateral gene transfer) has had an important role in eukaryotic genome evolution, but its importance is often overshadowed by the greater prevalence and our more advanced understanding of gene transfer in prokaryotes. Recurrent endosymbioses and the generally poor sampling of most nuclear genes from diverse lineages have also complicated the search for transferred genes. Nevertheless, the number of well-supported cases of transfer from both prokaryotes and eukaryotes, many with significant functional implications, is now expanding rapidly. Major recent trends include the important role of HGT in adaptation to certain specialized niches and the highly variable impact of HGT in different lineages.(2008)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18591983

What is suggest is any interpretation of the data I present could not be worse than the 150 years of instability and change you have to offer. Atheist and theist based TOE remains a philosophy just like any other faith.

In the end, it does not matter to me 'how' God created. Supporting creationism and the possibility that a God may possibly be able to do something we or I don't understand just means that I am not egocentric.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Archaeologists have uncovered what appears to be the foundation of the Tower of Babel within the ancient city ruins of Babylon. The base is square, 91 metres along each side, with earthen embankments.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/newgw/gw_shaye...
As for Adam and Eve...
You would have to go back in time only 2,000 to 5,000 years — and probably on the low side of that range — to find somebody who could count every person alive today as a descendant.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201908,00...
The Tower of Babel is just a mythical story. We know for a fact that humans were spread all over the earth in the time period associated it...had been for many many thousands of years. I really doubt that they were grunting at each other.

Adam and Eve as written in the Bible never existe. We know that Homo-sapiens were roaming the plains of Africa around 200,000 years ago. Archaeologists have been saying for decades that Humans were descendants of the earlier Homo species that existed hundreds of thousands of years ago, such as: Homo heidelbergensis, Homo-erectus, Homo-habilis, etc., etc.

Just last year we found out with DNA science that most people on earth carry a small amount of Neanderthal genes/blood, linking humans to Homo species, all of which are extinct now. This year we found out that some peoples in the South Sea Islands are related to another species that was just found a few years ago...Homo-Denosova. The link is made...humans are in the line of the great apes.

The creation of Adam and Eve is nothing more than a Hebrew foundational myth. Big implications for the Christian Dogma.

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Where is your evidence that modern Germans can understand Old English? We're still waiting.
Now, between old English and modern English, which of them is more closer to German?
Answer this questions sincerely.

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Nov 17, 2012
 
Sorry for the typos in the above post. Really late here...really tired.

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Where is your evidence that modern Germans can understand Old English? We're still waiting.
Between old English and modern English, which of them is more closer to German?
Answer this question sincerely.
I am waiting.

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Where is your evidence that modern Germans can understand Old English? We're still waiting.
Evidence?
If you are sincere with your self. It was stated on the site that, old English is more closer to German than modern English.
By this implication.
Old English is more Germanic than modern English.
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Nov 18, 2012
 
youtube.com/watch... …FM stupid compared???? unlikely evolution vs creation?

this a goof topic creating vs birth and old age death?
I dunno?
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Nov 18, 2012
 
Languages apparently branch and splinter off the farther a field they range. The peoples which comprise Anglo-Saxondom by in large worship Jesus Christ. The Anglo-Saxon word for "good" and refers to divine goodness is identical to how English speaking people say GOD. In most cases a person who knows Hebrew well can understand English, Hebrew is faintly visible in its offspring though. The original language of our Creator would be the common ancestor and Greek and Latin are merely grandparents which was scrambled during the output of God at the tower of Babel. Among the original words and terms leading to this conclusion are the most common ones like MAMA, PAPA and SACK which come from EMA or ABBA (mom and pop).

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Denial is not a good look. Anyone that suggests that big bang theory has no concerns has already demonstrated the level of their true scientific base.
Look at you quacking about my straw men. Either these idiots know what they are saying or they do not.
This is what you are hiding your head i the sand over.
University Of Alabama In Huntsville (2006, September 5). Big Bang's Afterglow Fails Intergalactic 'Shadow' Test. ScienceDaily.
No shadows, no big bang. Is that too scientific for you? Perhaps you can quote Womans Day.
"The various theories that exist on the early universe are, therefore, experimental and have not been empirically verified. The direct measurement of gravitational waves would enable us to look back to the first billionth of the first second after the Big Bang and thereby obtain completely new insights into the universe."
http://www.mpg.de/4333311/background
The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago. The beginning of real time, would have been a singularity, at which the laws of physics would have broken down.
http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-ti...
Words from man himself....... If you disagree you should go give Hawkins a mouth full.
And the big one that everyone should know is this, Hawkins knows his physics break down at the singularity. Of course that is not a problem for these scientific types with an assumption to sell off as science. A stuff up at the base is easily hand waved away, just as long as all the research chooks in the chook pen are happy.

Please learn some real science from real scientists and come back when you can do more than quote crap from antiscience, fundy, creotard sites.

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Do you mean like over 150 years of human knucklewalking ancestry was evidence that turned to myth on the back of one single fossil find? Or would you like to discuss the multitude of common ancestors that have never surfaced when you discuss myths? How about the myth of 1% difference between the chimp and human, or the revolving door of human ancestors? How about the myth of single celled LUCA, the story of a tree stumped by HGT?
Archaeologists have uncovered what appears to be the foundation of the Tower of Babel within the ancient city ruins of Babylon. The base is square, 91 metres along each side, with earthen embankments.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/newgw/gw_shaye...
As for Adam and Eve...
You would have to go back in time only 2,000 to 5,000 years — and probably on the low side of that range — to find somebody who could count every person alive today as a descendant.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201908,00...
We all know that one can find some research to support just about anything one wants. We can also find heaps of woffle to challenge any other. You can also likely find some research to support whatever you wish to support. Isn't theoretical science great????
Algorithmic population size, mutation rates and many other values are unknown insertion values tweaked to support any status quo. Indeed even biased evolutionary research points to a single male and female common ancestor. Indeed the dates for mteve and Yadam are based on assumptive algorithms with assumptive and unknown insertion values. Evolutionary researchers assume the above dates relate to extra cohorts and assume that advanced culture also coincidently appeared at around the same time.
Do you suppose Darwin proposed TOE as a process orchestrated by God?
Is it not so, that the majority of evolutionists need a naturalistic interpretation of any data that does not evoke the hand of any God?

What pseudoscience outhouse do you dig this crap out of?

Just to pick one item, Mitochondrial Even lived over 150 thousand years ago. Y-Chromosomal Adam lived over 60 thousand years ago.

The MRCA was about 2,000 years ago.

There have been human populations and active human population centers going back over 100,000 years.

Sorry. Check facts next time.

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Nov 18, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
Again, if old English is similar or closely related to German and Icelandic, that means, the Germans and the people of Iceland will definitely understand old English unlike modern English.
Paranoia is the excuse of the delusional

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