Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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“I am Sisyphus”

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#59500 Nov 17, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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I got involved in this as a student the 90s but much is on the internet now, For the heavy stuff you need to filter out the incredulous religious attempts at discreditation and head to the university history databases.
A search for “Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera of Sidon” is a great start, you can still see his grave in Germany. The Tanack, Jewish bible also alludes to Pantera as the father of Jesus.
The Fourth Philosophy and Judas the Gillian (Also known as Judas of the Sicari) is well documented now. This is the same Judas in my post
Most of the surviving roman archives, tax records and military documents are catalogued now.
There are also some books that are of interest
Pantera by Sara Reinke
James, the brother of Christ by Robert Eisenman
The Mythmaker by Hyam Maccobys
Judas the Galilean: the flesh and blood Jesus by Danial Underbank
I've also seen extracts from a book now published I believe by Paul Cresswell entitled Jesus the Terrorist

I am aware of Simon Zelotes being a member of Jesus' disciples and that the Zelotes were another name for the Sicarii (or a subgroup of the Zelots). The Zelotes were the "forth sect" of Judaism at that time.

I will research what you have given me.

Thanks. It is an interesting diversion at the very least.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#59501 Nov 17, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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The bible isn't the only text that talks about Jesus. Proof he was the son of God is based on word of mouth and faith. That Jesus the man existed is there.
There is no proof that Jesus existed...there is evidence he did not exist.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Tenerife

#59502 Nov 17, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
I'm not trying to sound stupid I believe this to be a lagit question for the evolutionists out there. If human evolution is true and man has been around millions if not billions of years evolving slowly through all this time than shouldn't their be proof in the fossil record shouldn't paleontologists be digging up protohuman bones all over the earth finding small colonies of remains? Where is the missing link? Oh and also if evolution is absolute why would Human evolution followed such a different path from all others if man comes from ape than why are their still apes?
I came from European stock...why are there still Europeans??
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Bellevue, WA

#59503 Nov 17, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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You would know Mr. Satan.
Satan is the spirit of sin and disobedience to God and the Bible says he is a real being and he is a deciever and a liar. Are you knowingly following him or are you ignorant of his devices?

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Everton, Australia

#59504 Nov 17, 2012
Professor wrote:
Even if evolution is true (and there is plenty of evidence to support it), scientists cannot explain how the very first cell came into existence.
After the Big Bang, the universe was sterile. SOMETHING happened to cause life to appear out of nothing.
That's only if Big Bang has merit. There is as much around to refute it as support it as a theory. Don't forget the latest flavour of the month is that we are on the outer edge of a bubble, with zilch or something in the middle depending on whose work one wishes to support.

In the end any philosophy can find some interpretation of some data to support it and try to turn a philosophy into a science. TOE is nothing more than an atheist philosophy around how life came to be WITHOUT the hand of God or direction from a deity at its base.

If the hand of God was involved in any way "creation" is established regardless of whether or not it was via the process of instant creation or via intelligent and directed design of some sort.

To date the fact that with all the advances in science and genetics life cannot be seen to evolve from non life. A living cell is by definition a complex factory of irreduceably complex functions such as reproduction.

The fact that amino acids cannot be given 'that spark of life' attests to have been given by the hand of God as suggested in the bible. This is some of the best "evidence' that the creation of life remains miraculously unobtainable by mankind, despite many theoretical possibilities.

Hence any variation of creation appears to have more merit at its base than any philosophy that suggests otherwise.

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#59505 Nov 17, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Prove it, Charles. Prove that Germans can understand Old English.
The internet or other historical sources can not lie. The Saxons, Jutes and Angles, spoke a form of German, that is similar to the modern German today.
Why their language is called old English is not far fetched, they are the ancestors of the English nation.
Middle and modern English, is a blend of Latin, Greek, French, old Norse, etc, all these blending took place in England.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#59506 Nov 17, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Satan is the spirit of sin and disobedience to God and the Bible says he is a real being and he is a deciever and a liar. Are you knowingly following him or are you ignorant of his devices?

I am most certainly not following YOU!

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Tenerife

#59507 Nov 17, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
I'm not trying to sound stupid I believe this to be a lagit question for the evolutionists out there. If human evolution is true and man has been around millions if not billions of years evolving slowly through all this time than shouldn't their be proof in the fossil record shouldn't paleontologists be digging up protohuman bones all over the earth finding small colonies of remains? Where is the missing link? Oh and also if evolution is absolute why would Human evolution followed such a different path from all others if man comes from ape than why are their still apes?
Fossilization of bones is pretty rare, only a very small percentage of bones end up in an environment that is conducive to being fossilized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil and
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/...

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#59508 Nov 17, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> A good one. These are one of the question left unanswered. All answers given to date, are guesses, projections, exaggerations, assertions and manipulations, etc.
Sorry guy, but you are wrong.
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Bellevue, WA

#59509 Nov 17, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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I am most certainly not following YOU!
I don't want anybody to follow me, I want everyone to follow Jesus. I am just a man and like all men I will die unless the lord comes back first. I have made mstakes in the past and I don't want to but I may make some sort of error because to err is human, but the one I serve is worthy.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Tenerife

#59510 Nov 17, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
I'm not trying to sound stupid I believe this to be a lagit question for the evolutionists out there. If human evolution is true and man has been around millions if not billions of years evolving slowly through all this time than shouldn't their be proof in the fossil record shouldn't paleontologists be digging up protohuman bones all over the earth finding small colonies of remains? Where is the missing link? Oh and also if evolution is absolute why would Human evolution followed such a different path from all others if man comes from ape than why are their still apes?
Yeah, and I know where you get your questions. From fundamentalist religious sites...and every one of them have been answered before by science.

Learn some new stuff please you are boring the sh!t out of us.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#59511 Nov 17, 2012
MazHere wrote:
That's only if Big Bang has merit. There is as much around to refute it as support it as a theory.
What refutes it?
MazHere wrote:
To date the fact that with all the advances in science and genetics life cannot be seen to evolve from non life.
Sure about that? Let's look:

http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/07/what-...
MazHere wrote:
A living cell is by definition a complex factory of irreduceably complex functions such as reproduction.
Who says that the first living thing was a "cell"?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#59512 Nov 17, 2012
Prove that Germans can understand Old English.
Charles Idemi wrote:
The internet or other historical sources can not lie.
Identify a specific, authoritative source, Charles. You can't get away with waving your hand vaguely at the Internet or at unnamed "historical sources".
Charles Idemi wrote:
The Saxons, Jutes and Angles, spoke a form of German, that is similar to the modern German today.
Prove that claim, Charles.

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#59513 Nov 17, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
Prove that Old English was a type of German.(Hint: The words "Germanic" and "German" are not synonyms in this context.)
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No, Charles, Old English was not a "type of German language".
Old English was a *Germanic* language.
"Germanic" and "German" are not synonyms.
You've lost the debate again.
Yes it is a Germanic language that it is closer to German and old frisian language.
enwikipedia.org/wiki/old.English
libra.england.arts.gla.ac.uk/o eteach/units/3_description_of_ OE.html
babae.tripod.com/archive/grammar43.html

“I am Sisyphus”

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#59514 Nov 17, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I don't want anybody to follow me, I want everyone to follow Jesus. I am just a man and like all men I will die unless the lord comes back first. I have made mstakes in the past and I don't want to but I may make some sort of error because to err is human, but the one I serve is worthy.

You are Satan the deceiver. The near enemy of god. Outright lies are not your forte, but rather twisting the truth so that people look away from God.

You are very good at your job.

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#59515 Nov 17, 2012
Typographical error:
Please check these sites, to see the relationship between German, old friesian with old English.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/old.English
libra.englang.arts.gla.ac.uk/o eteach/units/3_Description_of_ OE.html

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#59516 Nov 17, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Yes it is a Germanic language that it is closer to German and old frisian language.
enwikipedia.org/wiki/old.English
libra.england.arts.gla.ac.uk/o eteach/units/3_description_of_ OE.html
babae.tripod.com/archive/grammar43.html
Neither link works.

And again, you claimed that Germans could understand Old English.

Prove it.
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Bellevue, WA

#59517 Nov 17, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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You are Satan the deceiver. The near enemy of god. Outright lies are not your forte, but rather twisting the truth so that people look away from God.
You are very good at your job.
I don't know what you are talking about. I tell it as I see it and you are the one twisting the truth around here as far as I can see, but I am supposed to pray for you and as hard as it is for me to obey that part of the lord's commands I will.

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#59518 Nov 17, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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Sorry guy, but you are wrong.
To your understanding. But in reality, NO!

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#59519 Nov 17, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
Prove that Germans can understand Old English.
<quoted text>
Identify a specific, authoritative source, Charles. You can't get away with waving your hand vaguely at the Internet or at unnamed "historical sources".
<quoted text>
Prove that claim, Charles.
Check this sites or sources as against the previous ones, i gave.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/old_English

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