Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 169062 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

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#45808 Sep 14, 2012
[QUOTE who="Monkey's Paw"]<quoted text>
You a missing one Key point.
Evolutionist traced back to the first life form believe that fist life form started life on it own from non living matter. How could it know how to do it or if it really wanted to try.
Christians believe in a God outside of our universe that he created for us. Thus he is not bound by the laws of physics (that he created).
Your question points to the assumption that you can't grasp what that means.
No time where God is.
No gravity
No mass
So did God alway exist?
In time as we know it yes bit outside of our little universes who knows.[/QUOTE]

Insane.......... Get help fast....LOL....There is no god...if there was people would see him...Funny how only for a short time did a group of insane desert dwellers see him...OUT IN SUN MUCH??? LOL
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#45809 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>You fail to see the magnitude of failure the junk DNA hypothesis was. The entire edicife of evolution was propped up for two decades by the perceived worthlessness of 98% of the genome. It was also used in the attempt to diffuse probability challenges to evolution. This is not a minor detail...This totally derails the evolutionary hypothesis.
Oh, please. You "fundamentalshit christian creotards" have been saying this for the past 150 years. Every time some new information, data, research, empirical evidence comes to light that YOU don't think fits, and which you "funadamentalshit christian creotards" HAVE NEVER BEEN A PART OF DISCOVERING, you claim that the ToE is falsified.

The Theory of evolution is still going strong and your "creation science" is the laughing stock of the entire world.

BTW the probability that evolution can form all of the species we see on planet Earth today is exactly 1:1.

Evolution is a FACT. Evolution HAPPENS. The Theory of Evolution is the scientific framework we humans use to understand the FACT and PROCESS of evolution. There is NO other explanation for the diversity of life we see on planet Earth, past and present.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#45810 Sep 14, 2012
[QUOTE who="Monkey's Paw"]<quoted text>
"Divine Messiah predicted in the Old Testament
Isaiah 7:14:‚&#8364;&#339;The refore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.‚&#8364;&#655 33;1
‚&#8364;&#339;Immanuel ‚&#8364;&#65533; literally means:‚&#8364;&#339;Go d with us.‚&#8364;&#65533; See also Matthew 1:23; Jesus was ‚&#8364;&#339;God with us.‚&#8364;&#65533;
This Messiah would be born a human son, but have a higher nature
Isaiah 9:6:‚&#8364;&#339;For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.‚&#8364;&#65533;
This was a radical statement coming from a monotheistic Jewish prophet -- especially calling a human being ‚&#8364;&#339;Mighty God‚&#8364;&#65533;; but one that God fulfilled centuries later in Christ.
A couple hundred years later, but still more than half a millennium before Jesus walked the earth, more was predicted about the Messiah‚&#8364;&#8482; s divine nature
Daniel 7:13-14:‚&#8364;&#339; There before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven ... He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.‚&#8364;&#65 533;
‚&#8364;&#339;Son of Man‚&#8364;&#65533; was the primary title Jesus used for Himself -- and this passage shows that this was a clear and strong claim of deity. And in Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, He also included the unmistakable phrase,‚&#8364;&#339;c oming on the clouds of heaven‚&#8364;&#65533; and applied it to Himself (Mark 14:62). His listeners got the point, refused to believe it, and added it to their reasons to try to kill Him."
http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/jesus-is-g... [/QUOTE] May God bless you for your truthfulness.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#45811 Sep 14, 2012
[QUOTE who="Monkey's Paw"]<quoted text>
You a missing one Key point.
Evolutionist traced back to the first life form believe that fist life form started life on it own from non living matter. How could it know how to do it or if it really wanted to try.[/QUOTE]

REALLY stupid argument.

How does a meteor "know" to fall to the Earth to the EXACT spot where it hits?

How does the Sun "know" how to burn hydrogen into helium so that we get sunlight here on Earth?

How does one oxygen atom "know" to combine with two hydrogen atoms to form a water molecule?

How does a spiral galaxy "know" to spin in a particular way so that it has those cool galactic arms?

How does a self replicating prion protein "know" to reproduce so that it kills you?

Just because YOU don't understand physics and chemistry does NOT mean that "goddidit with magic".
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#45812 Sep 14, 2012
[QUOTE who="Monkey's Paw"]<quoted text>
Charles
Subpar is a liar and can't be trusted.[/QUOTE]

Anyone who has ever dealt with "fundamentalshit christian creotards" KNOWS who the liars are.

Heck, you can't help yourselves.

You HAVE to LIE. Mostly to yourselves.

When you tie your entire world view and the fate of your "eternal soul" to the "literal and inerrant" veracity of a collection of bronze age, goat herder myths, fables and fairy tales, as you "fundamentalshit christian creotards" do, then you HAVE to lie about REALITY in order to maintain that belief.

If your collection of bronze age myths, fables and fairy tales implies that the universe is only 6000 years old, but ALL the empirical evidence from cosmology, astronomy, physics and geology indicate that the Cosmos is ~14 billion years old and that the Earth is ~4.5 billion years old ... then you HAVE to lie about the speed of light, and radiometric decay rates, and polystrate fossils, and cosmology, and physics, and geology, and chemistry, etc..

If your collection of bronze age myths, fables and fairy tales says that the first man was conjured up out of a pile of dirt and the first woman magically formed from a rib taken out of the first man, but ALL of the logic, reason, research, empirical evidence and sound science leads to the conclusion that humans evolved from primate ancestors ... then you HAVE to lie about the fossil evidence, and the genetic evidence, and the anthropological evidence, etc..

If lying about Tiktaalik roseae and Archaeopteryx and Australopithecus afarensis and other transitional fossils means that you get to continue believing that you are special, that you are chosen, that your life has Cosmic meaning, that there is a loving "father" ready to take care of you for eternity "on the other side", then so be it. Lie your fool "creationshit" head off.

And that commandment about lying that was so dramatically written on some stone tablets ... well, forget about that because that's mostly for the non-"fundamentalist christians" who are going to Hell anyways.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#45813 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
I've already posted probability challenges and they are always ignored. Evolutionists don't believe in any absolute complexity. TEd incessantly challenges me to define complexity, while he refuses to do so. They think that DNA is a recipe, not a code. They think a random deck of cards is equally as complex as DNA. They think a biochemistry textbook is fundamentally no different than a random selection of letters. I can't argue with people who embrace such perverted logic.

Since you are arguing against science a rational person my question their OWN "logic". But I see that you don't

“I am Sisyphus”

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#45814 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>If you will acknowledge that complexity exists and give me your definition of complexity, I will proceed to demonstrate how evolution fails every probability challenge. So far all you have done is create smokescreens.

"complexity" is a human concept and thus is something projected outward. It is a relative conceptualization. It is not a data and is not supported by anything but a human opinion as to what is "complex".

Complex is to non-complex as more is to less.

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#45815 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>evolution is not "science". Science has proven evolution false. evolutiondidit with magic is not a valid argument.
Admit it you messed up when you clicked on the "post comment " button.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#45816 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>evolution is not "science". Science has proven evolution false. evolutiondidit with magic is not a valid argument.

This is just delusional. Evolution is, as I have informed you, the most materially supported theory in the entire history of science.

It is supported by uncounted lines of evidence.
It is supported by nearly every biological scientist in the world.
It is supported by countless fields of science, each with different lines of evidence.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

“I am Sisyphus”

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#45817 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>You fail to see the magnitude of failure the junk DNA hypothesis was. The entire edicife of evolution was propped up for two decades by the perceived worthlessness of 98% of the genome. It was also used in the attempt to diffuse probability challenges to evolution. This is not a minor detail...This totally derails the evolutionary hypothesis.

As I pointed out to you, this is simply a lie. It indicates you have had no formal exposure to science nor the scientific method.

Probability is not applicable to what has already happened. The probability that a past event happened is always 100%

This is two semesters of graduate level prob & stats talking.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#45818 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>You're living in the dark ages, Dude. The junk DNA paradigm is dead. The grand evolutionary prediction was DEAD WRONG. Do you know what the hallmarck of a flawed hypothesis is? THE FAILURE TO MAKE ACCURATE SCIENTIFIC PREDICTIONS.

Again, you are regurgitating something you got from a fundy pseudoscience site. You have never taken a history of science class no do you seem to have much actual understanding of how evolution works.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#45819 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>What are you talking about. The ERV/junk DNA paradigm is a failed hypothesis. ERV's are functional and are therefore not past viral infections, regardless of how much you wish they were. How many times do I have to explain this to you? It is impossible to randomly insert a meaningless sequence of nucleotides into DNA and result in a vital function to the host. I know you don't get it, because evolutionists categorically ignore any improbability. They think a monkey can type Shakespeare.

Please read some science source material. You really don't get it.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#45820 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>I knew all along that you were a spineless liberal. It only makes sense... those who embrace twisted logic allow it to permeate every facet of their lives, including politics.

You mean evolution which is the foundation for modern biology (which, in turn, is the foundation for medicine).

“I am Sisyphus”

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#45821 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Dude, you are a veritable ignoramus who literally enjoys living in scientific darkness. Why do you keep clinging to a paradigm that has been proven to be false. The junk DNA/ERV paradigm is total BS... it is an embarrassment to evolutionary biologists. You should be hiding your head in shame. Instead, you keep bringing it up as if it somehow validates evolution.

Actually, Dude seems to have a strong grasp of science from what I have read of his posts. He is a bit sardonic at times, but I appreciate that. You, on the other hand, sound like you have bought into crappy fundy pseudoscience web sites with your whole heart.

Science needs your head, not your heart.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#45822 Sep 14, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>I think that post is met for you. Check your tenses...

And your spelling still needs work.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#45823 Sep 14, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing to offer!!!

I know you don't, but what about me?

And your mother dresses you funny.

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#45824 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
I've already posted probability challenges and they are always ignored. Evolutionists don't believe in any absolute complexity. TEd incessantly challenges me to define complexity, while he refuses to do so. They think that DNA is a recipe, not a code. They think a random deck of cards is equally as complex as DNA. They think a biochemistry textbook is fundamentally no different than a random selection of letters. I can't argue with people who embrace such perverted logic.
You said this...

"I can't argue with people"

Liar

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#45825 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
*, Dr. Jerry, Why Evolution Is True, pp. 67, 81
† Brown University biologist Kenneth R. Miller wrote,†
"The human genome is littered with pseudogenes, gene fragments, "orphaned" genes, "junk" DNA, and so many repeated copies of pointless DNA sequences that cannot be attributed to anything that resembles intelligent design.... In fact, the genome resembles nothing so much as a hodgepodge of borrowed, copied, mutated, and discarded sequences and commands that has been cobbled together by millions of years of trial and error against the relentless test of survival."†
*"Life's Grand Design," Technology Review, February/March 1994

Actually Dr. Coyne did a pretty good job for something written nearly 20 years ago. DNA is indeed a "hodgepodge". It is more like what is in a programmers trash can than what his final program looks like.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#45826 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Viruses are not "life" because they lack the machinery for self replication. Your post is entirely pointless.

Where do you draw the boundary between life and not life?

Do they have to meet all 7 characteristics of life, or is 6 good enough?

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#45827 Sep 14, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Buckwheat, it is interesting to listen to you rant about brainwashing and child abuse. You are wallowing in base ignorance if you think the complexities of life proceeded from simple to complex by random forces. What scientific observation leads you to that conclusion? There is none. All you have is our religion of atheism. You have faith in e supernal power of mutations and natural selection. You have faith that millions of years can accomplish anything. What you pretend to be science is nothing but a stupid fairytale for grown ups.

You are very emotional and high strung. You would do better if you took a few cleansing breaths and tried to post from the rational half of your brain. We will take you more seriously if you can do that.

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