Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 201432 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#37686 Aug 12, 2012
Yankee Yahoo, yes, some people will interpret the available data differently. The problem for creationists is that their interpretations can be tested. There is not one of their claims for a young Earth that have not failed when their prediction is analyzed with all of the data. If you look at only part of the data you can get a false idea, like in the story of the five blind men and the elephant. The failure of the creationists models is just like the failure of the blind men.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#37687 Aug 12, 2012
JBH wrote:
THE SPREE OF OBAMA'S DOING IS JUST SO CRAZY AND EXTREME BECAUSE HE IS THE BIGGEST EXTREMIST OF ALL TIME.
The craving for taking credit may even arise to the stand that Obama would boast he commanded the USA Olympic athletes to win A LOT OF MEDALS--JUST AS HE said he did command the getting of bin Laden BECAUSE HE THINKS HE IS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
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Many things are not true from what Obama says.
Obama would take credit that US won a lot of medals by having USA Olympic uniforms made in China.
Yet, concerning just less that some hundreds to a maximum of a few thousand people's Olympic uniforms as not masses (masses=lots of lots population), they are such costs considered tiny and minimal in a big country.
However,when Obama knows to wind up escalating trillions of debt, the costs of uniforms amount to nothing much as the unnoticeable, very small decimal ratio of any spending , compared to the huge national debts Obama has accumulated. This is radically illogical , due to the pathetic thinking of Obama and company.
Winning medals would have been done by US sportsmen-but not by Obama (being not a sportsman), yet would be taken by claiming credits by Obama. Also winning medals has nothing to do with where uniform clothing were made, that Obama would even claim credit because uniforms were outsourced--as made in China. It is ridiculous for outsourcing to make uniform clothing to win medals, which is done by Obama --but there is no such logical real equivalent that outsourcing uniforms is equal to winning medals.
Furthermore, the craving for taking credit may even arise to the stand that Obama would boast he commanded the USA Olympic athletes to win A LOT OF MEDALS--JUST AS HE said he did command the getting of bin Laden BECAUSE HE THINKS HE IS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
THIS DRAWS the same thing if any Getting bin Laden did ever happen, it was not done by Obama.
Yet Obama would boast it to his credit.
But the paradox is that he could not show clarity of all details , and description of such a happening,in addition to releasing pictures.
Obama is no question unbelievable as the biggest fake and baloney.
You do realize that you are crazy don't you?

You are also in the wrong forum...go away

“Is that all you've got?”

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#37688 Aug 12, 2012
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Yes the topix atheist will stop at nothing in effort to inject science with their philosophy ... in this case secular humanism.
There are still scientists who exhibit a sense of wonder that we have the "convenient" ability, or "gift" as it's described below, of defining the cosmos mathematically.

" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreasonable... ;

Notice the choice of words like "miracle", "faith", and "belief". It's common for the mysterious to invoke suspicions that it may come from uncanny origins.

“Wrath”

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Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#37689 Aug 12, 2012
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Do I detect hostility, Aura? Sad. There really is no place in a dialogue for this kind of posting.
Right , exactly what do you find hostile about that statement?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#37690 Aug 12, 2012
Here you go Yankee Yahoo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

"A Universe From Nothing" by Lawrence Krauss.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#37691 Aug 12, 2012
Krauss is not the last word on anything, much like Hawkings.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#37692 Aug 12, 2012
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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That is incorrect, as the social sciences teach us. ALL humans have some sort of bias. Peer review may reinforce them, thus the concept of institutionalization and tradition, which may or may not cause blindness to the pursuit of new scientific facts.
For example, there are still many in the scientific community that deny that anything may travel faster than light. This has been proven false, and the theory of relativity has been adjusted countless times to accommodate new findings.
I have read all the journals. I use to be an evolutionist myself. But it became an untenable theory after long thought and stepping back to see the larger picture. It is too corrupted by politics now, and this particular intellectual battle has ossified to the point of severe setback to the scientific community.
This is an absolute fact that no scientific journal ever written has overcome: evolution has no scientific basis whatsoever. There is no viable theory that explains the changes over great time of life, nor its origins. It is a hard thing for an evolutionists to accept, and even harder still if one wants to keep their career.
1. When you say that the idea that nothing moves faster then light is false do you mean there is a documented event of something going faster then 186,000 miles per second, or are you referring to light being slowed by going through some medium?

2. Absolutely bias can happen, including institutionalization. But not all science are in the same institutions. Scientists in Japan or Germany or Australia can criticize the work of American scientists, for example. And there is a lot of incentive to question those institutions. Hell, just about every movie about science ever made usually involves someone challenging them, it is a very romantic notion. But lots of different scientists with different agendas all analyzing the same data and coming up with the same conclusion is pretty telling.

3. What corruption could possibly result in somebody pushing the Theory of Evolution forward? No one benefits. There is no money to be made. It's not like the entire field of biology disappears if Evolution gets replaced.

4. So, 150 years of scientists saying there is scientific evidence for Evolution has just been a massive, global conspiracy? Did they rent out Madison Square Garden to meet and plan the biggest practical joke in history?

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#37693 Aug 12, 2012
HTS wrote:
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While you arrogantly mock the faith of others, you yourself play god by imagining what the world would be like if you designed it. Then you take your childish intuitions and use them to prop up what you consider "science". Evolution is clearly a secular religion, requiring faith in myth and miracle. The only difference between an atheist and a theist is that the atheist propagates scientific fraud in the vain attempt to validate his religion.
Evolution has nothing to do with Atheism.

From the Clergy Letter, signed by over 12,000 Clergy:

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as "one theory among others" is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God's good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God's loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#37694 Aug 12, 2012
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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That is correct. It was Christians and others that came up with the foundation of evolution before Darwin.
But there has always been problems with evolution as a theory, problems that, without all the ideological and political corruption, would have passed into obscurity with all bad theories.
The Big Bang theory, for example, is far from secure, just as many theories.
To deny this, is to do a grave disservice to science. Stop it.
Scientists always accept the fact that any scientific Theory might be overturned at any time by new evidence. That is one of the great strengths of Science.

The problem is, opponents of Science use that as a weakness. For one thing, they since that since Evolution or the Big Bang can be overturned by new evidence, then the Theory is obviously weak.

Second, when they attack Evolution, it prompts people to defend it. But when people defend Evolution, they use that defend to make it seem like Evolution is some kind of religion. Let me be very clear, neither I nor anyone else here has anything invested in Evolution being true. If Evolution was disproved tomorrow, we would be stunned and excited and thrilled for biologists because that would probably be the most interesting time to work in biology ever.

I don't care about Evolution, or the Big Bang. I care about proper science education in our schools and I care about proper scientific and medical research in our country and I care about Creationists willing to sacrifice the education of children just so they can have their religion taught in schools.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#37695 Aug 12, 2012
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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And philosophy, theology, and one's world views all have profound implications for scientific inquiry. One who holds to false premises will inevitably create false hypothesis. Groups who hold to false premises will inevitably corrupt science.
Never underestimate the influence of philosophy upon science.
I can buy that, but here's the thing: Christians accept Evolution, Atheists accept Evolution, Jews accept Evolution, Hindus accept Evolution, Democrats accept Evolution, Republicans accept Evolution. People of all different religions, political ideologies, philosophies, creeds agree on Evolution. It does not support or promote any specific ideology.

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Since: Apr 11

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#37696 Aug 13, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Chuckles, what is your fascination with monkey professors? Do you realize that you are making it obvious that you do not understand evolution. It is almost impossible to debunk a science that you do not understand.
Are you now debunking the claims of evolutions, that we existed from animals ?
Go on dodging!

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Since: Apr 11

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#37697 Aug 13, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Did someone let kirk cameron back on?
Not kidding, but quoting one of the theory of evolution...

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#37698 Aug 13, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No dodge Chuckles. You keep making that mistake that people can understand your drivel. What are you trying to ask, English would be the preferred language, but there are others I can deal with too.
Propound or explain the theories of evolution?

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#37699 Aug 13, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
Nope.
No 6-day creation. No worldwide flood. No exodus from Egypt.
Lots of lies about past events. As fictional in those parts as the Greek myths.
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That's your excuse for your complete lack of evidence to support a claim that a god exists?
In summary, the ultimate science to date are un able to stop death, why?

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Since: Apr 11

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#37700 Aug 13, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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I read the entire thing, but there wasn't anything it that provided evidence for the existence of a god.
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You're the one who has the burden of proof. How does the non-existence of "monkey professors" provide evidence for the existence of a god?(There isn't anything in the process of evolution that requires all species to evolve in the exact same way.)
In sincerity, explain the theory of evolution?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#37701 Aug 13, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>In sincerity, explain the theory of evolution?
In sincerity, if you had the slightest interest you'd learn about it using this amazing piece of machinery you currently have at your fingertips.

But you're a preacher nut so I guess that's out.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#37702 Aug 13, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>The theory of evolution assumes there is no God.
Obviously you assume there is no God since you keep lying.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#37703 Aug 13, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Still in the dream land...
Do you understand the meaning of independence(noun)?
During colonialism, all the necessary bills were all paid but that does not end the truth and that fact that, England is the source of English language to date...
They owned the language because it started there...
Your cheque obviously got lost in the mail, cuz I'm still waiting for it.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#37704 Aug 13, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>As usual, there is no logic to your arguments...only arrogant declarations and cheap rhetoric.
Incorrect. You have provided no evidence of a God, and evolution works whether one exists or not. The whole "atheism" shebang is your baseless rhetoric.

If you want that, talk to Skippy. He'll probably be happy to oblige ya.

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Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#37705 Aug 13, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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In sincerity, if you had the slightest interest you'd learn about it using this amazing piece of machinery you currently have at your fingertips.
But you're a preacher nut so I guess that's out.
Technology is just the exact replica of creation...
We are able to create things unlike other animals, because we are created in God's likeness and image. Period...

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