Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 171619 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#25023 May 6, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>There is lots of evil in the God camp, but--

I doubt that abolishing god could even happen, as there are way to many gullible and simple minded people in the US that need something to lean on and put blame on.

I think what needs to happen is a strengthening of the separation of church and state laws and strict enforcement. One in particular that needs enforcement is about keeping churches from endorsing certain political parties and/or candidates...if they do they lose tax exemption.

Also, I am a straight person so I have little to fear, but government and churches need to keep the hell out of everyone's bedroom and head.
Ok so you want to strengthen part of the first amendment (separation of church and state) while eliminating another part (freedom of speach).

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#25024 May 6, 2012
Illustrated Man wrote:
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Apparently politicians are dictating moral codes, that coincide with their agendas, and forcing them on the populace.
And this is different...since when?

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#25025 May 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Recognition does not mean understand. Intelligence of another life form is a threat when it exceeds your own, so yes, perception of a threat does include perceiving intelligence.
The real world is not as simple as you want to make it appear. There is a lot to study, learn, and so much beauty in the real world, it would be nice if you joined us in it.
Join you in what way?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#25026 May 6, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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God created time the he created you in it. There is little chance you would ever be able to understand much about that kind of superior being. "
Apparently YOU don't understand very much either. How could a being exist, plan, create, etc. OUTSIDE of time or before time was created? Those are all actions that take place IN TIME.

It takes time to realize you're lonely and want some company so you ought to create a world and people in it, etc.

And you are telling us all of this happened BEFORE time was created?
Langoliers wrote:
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And here's the real mind blowing part. He gave you the total freedom to do what your doing against him. Why would he do that?
God said " Revenge is mine. "
Let me guess -- so he can revel in sadistically burning and torturing me endlessly, for all eternity because I don't "believe in him"?

You worship a God who will torture you forever if you don't. And you are PROUD of this?

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#25027 May 6, 2012
Illustrated Man wrote:
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Join you in what way?
What by committing myself to the secular view of science?(lol)

Not gonna happen.

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#25028 May 6, 2012
One cannot have a finite, without a infinite. They define each other.(Infinite being "God")

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#25029 May 6, 2012
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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And this is different...since when?
good point.lol

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#25030 May 6, 2012
Illustrated Man wrote:
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Join you in what way?
It's a turn of phrase. I am inviting you to stop repeating the same thing over and over again and learn something new. Like I did with the intelligence perception, that is what's called critical thinking. You have some facts, and from those facts you apply logic and draw a conclusion that is supported by the facts. It may not be correct, and if someone could show that it is not correct with other facts then I would have to concede. Just saying "you're wrong" is not a fact, nor is it a valid argument to counter any logical assumption. This is why science changes and religion does not, religion parrots and the followers parrot the same old stuff over and over again, science grows and people learn to use it to come to new conclusions, new premises, new ideas. This is also why science produces results and helps progress humanity, while religion does not.

In short, come up with different material, use your own head to do this. Become a critical thinker. So far you are just repeating the same things that have already been countered, the ant argument for example, I did not repeat the perfectly valid commonly used point to counter it, I'm bored with those. But most of what you have asserted has been covered. If anything, learn about the science so you can counter it with something new. Who knows, you may actually be able to challenge the theory successfully. But you have to learn it in order to do that. Kent Hovind and his ilk have not learned it.

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#25031 May 6, 2012
Illustrated Man wrote:
One cannot have a finite, without a infinite. They define each other.(Infinite being "God")
That's like saying you cannot have time without no time.

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#25032 May 6, 2012
CTEd wrote:
<quoted text>Neither did the universe, no god needed.
Oh yea the big bang. When nothing exploded great science there.
Or a singular exploded then of course we have to deal with where did the singular come from? And what ever made it explode? And why did it just happen to coincide with the start of time. And what is a singular. Why was it just sitting there waiting to explode?

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#25033 May 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Then where did your god come from?
I don't know he didn't tell me yet.

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#25034 May 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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It's a turn of phrase. I am inviting you to stop repeating the same thing over and over again and learn something new. Like I did with the intelligence perception, that is what's called critical thinking. You have some facts, and from those facts you apply logic and draw a conclusion that is supported by the facts. It may not be correct, and if someone could show that it is not correct with other facts then I would have to concede. Just saying "you're wrong" is not a fact, nor is it a valid argument to counter any logical assumption. This is why science changes and religion does not, religion parrots and the followers parrot the same old stuff over and over again, science grows and people learn to use it to come to new conclusions, new premises, new ideas. This is also why science produces results and helps progress humanity, while religion does not.
In short, come up with different material, use your own head to do this. Become a critical thinker. So far you are just repeating the same things that have already been countered, the ant argument for example, I did not repeat the perfectly valid commonly used point to counter it, I'm bored with those. But most of what you have asserted has been covered. If anything, learn about the science so you can counter it with something new. Who knows, you may actually be able to challenge the theory successfully. But you have to learn it in order to do that. Kent Hovind and his ilk have not learned it.
I try to see things from all perspectives, And this is what I define as true critical thinking. Not just the bias secular views of science.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#25035 May 6, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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It does not phase you that they knew of things that was lost to man an took 6000 years to rediscover?
Nope, it's happened with other civilizations on the other side of the planet.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#25036 May 6, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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Unbelievable
Thousands of years separate these writing. Clearly Total separate development of the two doctrine that share a lot of common ideas. Just maybe there is something to it other then what you call myth. I for one find the oldest known human writing a bit more valuable then a children's bed time story. They carved in stone their most valued ideas not children's story's
The the dead sea scrolls were not very valuable children's story's that they had to hide from the invaders. If you wish to remain ignorant but remember this on judgement day. You've been told. And you will be held accountable for all those that you have taken with you.
"Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming, But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
"Therefore, you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect." Matthew 24:36-44
Jesus clearly speaks about the last day being similar to a thief breaking into our house. The analogy is again the same - we do not know when a thief will break into our house. In view of such passages, it becomes difficult, even impossible to believe that someone can predict the occurrence of Judgment Day. We do not know when it will occur, so we must be ready at all times.
the thousand years probably explains why the myth cahnged in the retellings. as all myths do.

of course they write down their most important myths. it has always been the shamans and the priests that had the most power..until the enlightenment and the rise of an educated populace.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#25037 May 6, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
Oh yea the big bang. When nothing exploded great science there. Or a singular exploded then of course we have to deal with where did the singular come from? And what ever made it explode? And why did it just happen to coincide with the start of time. And what is a singular.
The word you are reaching for and missing is "singularity". Not "singular".

Perhaps you should do some basic research before engaging in a debate.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#25038 May 6, 2012
Illustrated Man wrote:
A hundred years from now most, if not all of the science of today will be consider primitive, backword thinking.
But the idea of "God" as an inconceivable intelligence behind the Universe will still be as viable as it has been, and is today.
But history would show this god being replaced by another one, and people looking at christians as pagan worshippers of silly ancient gods. if you want to be honest about looking at history and projecting forward, that is...

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#25039 May 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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That's like saying you cannot have time without no time.
True.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#25040 May 6, 2012
Illustrated Man wrote:
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"Close only counts in horse shoes" so the saying goes.
if someone could even come 'close' to a shred of evidence for some creator, we could actually start that debate rationally...

i thought it was horseshoes and handgrenades.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#25041 May 6, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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There aren't 12 planets.
there once was. Then there were more than twelve. Back to eight now.

Sorry Pluto, but you are our coolest comet!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#25042 May 6, 2012
Illustrated Man wrote:
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Can an ant recognize the intelligence of a human?
Does that ant have a soul?

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