Relatives steal woman's body from hearse

Mar 6, 2008 Full story: www.app.com 16
Family members of a deceased New Zealand woman snatched her body after a dispute erupted over how her remains should be buried. Full Story
Church Slave

Seattle, WA

#1 Mar 6, 2008
I think the woman's wishes should be honored. Not some ding dong maori service.
Give her what she wanted. Good grief.

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Where?

#2 Mar 6, 2008
Is that what they call a hearse down under under? A fender bender could be a nasty sight.

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#3 Mar 6, 2008
I believe the poor woman, God rest her, should be buried in the manner she wished. of course, I know relatives can come in and try to change things, but if she was specific in her will, that should definitely be upheld.

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#4 Mar 6, 2008
Church Slave wrote:
I think the woman's wishes should be honored. Not some ding dong maori service.
Give her what she wanted. Good grief.
Instead of a ding dong maori service, let her have a good old traditional one where someone describes what a perfect being she was, tears are shed, and everyone runs to the buffet table to stuff their faces with bologna and potato salad.
As if one religious service were more rational than another.
Church Slave

Seattle, WA

#5 Mar 6, 2008
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
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Instead of a ding dong maori service, let her have a good old traditional one where someone describes what a perfect being she was, tears are shed, and everyone runs to the buffet table to stuff their faces with bologna and potato salad.
As if one religious service were more rational than another.
If the woman wanted tears, a buffet and religious service. By all means they should do it.

These particular Maori care more about themselves than her. God rest her soul.

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Since: Jan 08

Woodstock, GA

#6 Mar 6, 2008
Stealing her body will settle everything.
beatlesinthebog

Christchurch, New Zealand

#7 Mar 6, 2008
Church Slave wrote:
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If the woman wanted tears, a buffet and religious service. By all means they should do it.
These particular Maori care more about themselves than her. God rest her soul.
You're right, they do. This is not the first time body thieving has happened. Customary rights!! Hah!!

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#8 Mar 6, 2008
Church Slave wrote:
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If the woman wanted tears, a buffet and religious service. By all means they should do it.
These particular Maori care more about themselves than her. God rest her soul.
I agree completely that the woman's wishes should have been respected. I was trying to make the more general point that religious rituals in general are, by definition, based on superstition.
Anyone who thinks God gave instructions along these lines is a little light in the noodle.
Angry Gurl

Asheboro, NC

#10 Mar 7, 2008
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
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I agree completely that the woman's wishes should have been respected. I was trying to make the more general point that religious rituals in general are, by definition, based on superstition.
Anyone who thinks God gave instructions along these lines is a little light in the noodle.
Well, at least my faith doesn't believe that way. It isn't superstition but the tradition, the sense of, "Well, that is how we've always done it." Most of the time, such things are not in the faith or religious writings at all. It is just that people of whatever faith have chosen to do x for so long. So we are talking about extra-scriptural folkways and mores rather than commandments. Nearly every faith has those.

This is like with Islam, except that they've put so many words in the prophet's mouth over the years that it isn't funny. In fact, their traditions state that if there is a controversy, go with the more conservative ruling or tradition, even if the more conservative one is newer. But yet, when they choose something more strict than in the original writings, they still say that Mohammad said it.
Church Slave

Seattle, WA

#11 Mar 7, 2008
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
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I agree completely that the woman's wishes should have been respected. I was trying to make the more general point that religious rituals in general are, by definition, based on superstition.
Anyone who thinks God gave instructions along these lines is a little light in the noodle.
You are right. Hey, I'm not used to agreeing with you, have I gone madd?
DaDA

Dallas, TX

#12 Mar 7, 2008
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
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Instead of a ding dong maori service, let her have a good old traditional one where someone describes what a perfect being she was, tears are shed, and everyone runs to the buffet table to stuff their faces with bologna and potato salad.
As if one religious service were more rational than another.
Bologna buffet ?
gerri-berri

Federal Way, WA

#13 Mar 7, 2008
Let's not get into a discussion on different faith......the fact remains that the woman's own instructions about her own body were not granted by her selfish family.

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Thompson's Station, Tn

#14 Mar 7, 2008
I'd offer you a cold stiff one but my bar doesn't serve Necros.

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NoVa

#15 Mar 7, 2008
Funerals, wakes, whatever are for the survivors. They help with the grieving process, the deceased is beyond caring at this point. While it would have been nice if there was some sort of compromise, like having 2 services in the different styles, ultimately, whatever helps the family deal with their loss is what's important.

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#16 Mar 7, 2008
Church Slave wrote:
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You are right. Hey, I'm not used to agreeing with you, have I gone madd?
It's a fine madness, have no fear.

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#17 Mar 7, 2008
Angry Gurl wrote:
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Well, at least my faith doesn't believe that way. It isn't superstition but the tradition, the sense of, "Well, that is how we've always done it." Most of the time, such things are not in the faith or religious writings at all. It is just that people of whatever faith have chosen to do x for so long. So we are talking about extra-scriptural folkways and mores rather than commandments. Nearly every faith has those.
This is like with Islam, except that they've put so many words in the prophet's mouth over the years that it isn't funny. In fact, their traditions state that if there is a controversy, go with the more conservative ruling or tradition, even if the more conservative one is newer. But yet, when they choose something more strict than in the original writings, they still say that Mohammad said it.
I respect your comments. I do believe there are loonies all across the religious spectrum, as well as among non-believers. Screwballs can distort any set of beliefs. Respecting the wishes of the dying is certainly important, and I was never trying to suggest otherwise. My point simply is that whatever ritualistic behavior is involved, none are more rationally-based than others. You and I may prefer more "traditional" practices, but I don't think we have a right to impose them on others.

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