SUICIDE---NO!!??---(why NOT?)
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Tragic

San Jose, CA

#112 Apr 7, 2013
nathanielornament wrote:
Theres one good thing that bad situations & depression both have in common and that is things change, nothing lasts forever. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem
Kurt had addictions and a pained spirit. RIP Nathaniel

Every time I hear of another suicide ... I remember those I've survived and feel overwhelmed with compassion for anyone suffering a loss. Rick Warren's family is suffering the loss now. I want to watch and see how he handles this in the church since we so often hear what some churches believe happens to those that take their own lives.



Depression is like an addiction and there is no magic pill for many. My brother was under a doctors care and even had electric shock therapy two weeks prior to his death. They said he was better and he told me he wasn't. Today would have been my brothers 49th birthday.
:(

“I call it as I see it.”

Level 8

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#113 Apr 8, 2013
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Arsenic an old lace

Lansing, MI

#114 Apr 8, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I abhor that contrite self appeasing quote and here is why.
A temporary 'problem' does not last for decades. Suicide is a permanent solution to psyche and soul eating pain. Suicide is a permanent solution to never ending despair. Suicide is a permanent solution to ridding the world of ones self if you take the life or harm the soul of an innocent.
Do you not praise the suicides of murderers, child molesters, or the more popular expression today 'crazy mo'fers' who save time and money in the courts? Do you not worship the suicide of your God on a cross? Did He choose a permanent solution to a temporary problem? If you have never stood on that cliff of anguish then you have no business pretending you have an inkling of what suicide is. This is not directed specifically at you Fbco but to all who spurt off that ridiculous quotation.
Level 6

Since: Nov 10

Melbourne, Australia

#115 Apr 9, 2013
I don't want to step on anyones toes here, but isn't it a personal choice if one takes their own life. No one knows an individuals mental scars and how deep they go. Life to them is obviously indiscribably painful and choosing to end it, i'm sure after exhuasting all other posibilities, is their choice. Take it from one who knows. It is not a selfish act... It is selfish on your behalf wanting someone to carry on in misery, something most could not possibly understand or comprehend. The tragedy of suicide needs to be addressed, i agree... but sometimes there is just no other way out.

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#116 Apr 9, 2013
ikryptoniter wrote:
I don't want to step on anyones toes here, but isn't it a personal choice if one takes their own life. No one knows an individuals mental scars and how deep they go. Life to them is obviously indiscribably painful and choosing to end it, i'm sure after exhuasting all other posibilities, is their choice. Take it from one who knows. It is not a selfish act... It is selfish on your behalf wanting someone to carry on in misery, something most could not possibly understand or comprehend. The tragedy of suicide needs to be addressed, i agree... but sometimes there is just no other way out.
It Should be a personal choice.
Unfortunately it's a crime.

In many cases ppl who suffer from mental
illnesses merely need diagnosis, treatment
and therapy.
In some cases the illness is so severe, or
reactions to medication so extreme, that
helping them is very difficult or next to
impossible
Pain is subjective. All pain whether it be
psychological or physical. You can't judge
a persons pain.

I believe that suicide Is a personal choice.
A person who is terminally ill should be allowed
to end their suffering when and how they feel it
is appropriate.
With psychiatric illnesses a person would need
to be treated to at least see how a treatment
works...or doesn't work.
Wizard of Kaaz

Saint Albans, WV

#117 Apr 9, 2013
If I happen to die and it is said that I committed suicide, somebody had better investigate it for me.. Cause I would NEVER do it! I don't care what the situation..
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Blessings and A Special Grace to all those whoever contemplated or had a close person do this foolish-somewhat selfish thingy.
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dh

“I call it as I see it.”

Level 8

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#118 Apr 11, 2013
Arsenic an old lace wrote:
<quoted text> I abhor that contrite self appeasing quote and here is why.
A temporary 'problem' does not last for decades. Suicide is a permanent solution to psyche and soul eating pain. Suicide is a permanent solution to never ending despair. Suicide is a permanent solution to ridding the world of ones self if you take the life or harm the soul of an innocent.
Do you not praise the suicides of murderers, child molesters, or the more popular expression today 'crazy mo'fers' who save time and money in the courts? Do you not worship the suicide of your God on a cross? Did He choose a permanent solution to a temporary problem? If you have never stood on that cliff of anguish then you have no business pretending you have an inkling of what suicide is. This is not directed specifically at you Fbco but to all who spurt off that ridiculous quotation.
I will rephrase that. Suicide is often a permanent solution to a temporary problem. There are too many people who see suicide as a first option rather than a last resort. I am always reading about teens killing themselves over being spurned by a member of the opposite sex.

Yes, some problems can persist for years, but the good news is that there is help available to deal with it. There are a number of people who today are glad that a past attempt at suicide failed.

“I call it as I see it.”

Level 8

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#119 Apr 11, 2013
ikryptoniter wrote:
I don't want to step on anyones toes here, but isn't it a personal choice if one takes their own life. No one knows an individuals mental scars and how deep they go. Life to them is obviously indiscribably painful and choosing to end it, i'm sure after exhuasting all other posibilities, is their choice. Take it from one who knows. It is not a selfish act... It is selfish on your behalf wanting someone to carry on in misery, something most could not possibly understand or comprehend. The tragedy of suicide needs to be addressed, i agree... but sometimes there is just no other way out.
It is a selfish act if there are grieving loved ones left behind, especially if the individual did not seek counseling of any type before committing such an act.

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Since: Jan 12

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#120 Apr 11, 2013
Depression' at its deepest is worse than some of th major physical illnessess..
and I often think the proof here is.. it's
intensity sometimes pushes one to 'end it all'
whereas.(while, in no way making light of serious physical illnesses) people with physical illnesses mostly want to strive to become well again

Level 1

Since: Jan 12

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#121 Apr 11, 2013
DONT DO ITt

“I call it as I see it.”

Level 8

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#122 Apr 11, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>It is a selfish act if there are grieving loved ones left behind, especially if the individual did not seek counseling of any type before committing such an act.
I have a thick enough skin to deal with cyber bullying and not contemplate suicide over it as I realize that the bullies are a fringe minority and not the mainstream. To our resident icon troll who has to play such childish games on a serious thread like this, people have been known to take their own lives over cyber bullying. I would rather see fewer suicides than more. Your icon trolling also says more (negatively) about yourself than your target.
Wizard of Kaaz

Milton, WV

#123 Apr 29, 2013

Queen
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Don't Try Suicide..
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dh
Level 5

Since: Nov 12

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#124 Apr 29, 2013
Have you read what every one has told you?
DEAD IS FOREVER !, all problems can be solved. When you think you have hit rock bottom the only way id UP. No one ever said life would be easy you get out of it what you put in to it.

What if what if can go all day and night and still not settle any thing. Knowing some one is always available to listen and help is a given.
Its selfish to take your life because you leave people behind to clean up Your MESS and they have no way of knowing why it happened.

You cause deep pain and hurt with those people, they will have to live with it for the rest of their lives and thats not FAIR.
Pick up a phone and call a help line and talk to some one and tell them every thing not just what you want them to know. Let some one reach out and give you the help you need and help you find a path to get to a safe place.

Level 8

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#125 Apr 29, 2013
sometimes it's not quite that easy...

my son has depression... caused by an imbalance of dopamine in the brain... we can control it with drugs to a point, but it's up to me to watch the swings.

he is hospitalized again to regulate the meds... if i was NOT vigilant he would be dead... he does not have the capacity yet to control it, and its quite possible he may never...

telling someone like this "your selfish" is about as crass as you can get... bullying a depressed person is only gonna drive them deeper into themselves and into their despair... LOVE, RESPECT,
SUPPORT... that's what they need... a hug, a kiss... sometimes just a jostle of the hair can be enough... knowing that you're there for them is sometimes enough...

just saying
Wizard of Kaaz

Milton, WV

#126 May 4, 2013
Did you know that it is impossible to commit suicide by holding your breath??--Go ahead try it.....
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dh

“My Bad! Just hold me. ”

Level 9

Since: Aug 07

Orion's Belt

#127 May 4, 2013
Read this the other day and thought to put it here. Sad ..but interesting. Is the New York Times. So is a safe site:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/health/suic... ;

Suicide Rates Rise Sharply in U.S

Suicide rates among middle-aged Americans have risen sharply in the past decade, prompting concern that a generation of baby boomers who have faced years of economic worry and easy access to prescription painkillers may be particularly vulnerable to self-inflicted harm.

Go to site to read more....

“My Bad! Just hold me. ”

Level 9

Since: Aug 07

Orion's Belt

#128 May 4, 2013
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
It Should be a personal choice.
Unfortunately it's a crime.
In many cases ppl who suffer from mental
illnesses merely need diagnosis, treatment
and therapy.
In some cases the illness is so severe, or
reactions to medication so extreme, that
helping them is very difficult or next to
impossible
Pain is subjective. All pain whether it be
psychological or physical. You can't judge
a persons pain.
I believe that suicide Is a personal choice.
A person who is terminally ill should be allowed
to end their suffering when and how they feel it
is appropriate.
With psychiatric illnesses a person would need
to be treated to at least see how a treatment
works...or doesn't work.
I sure don't want to anger or hurt anyone. But as you..I believe in what I call..."The No Day After pill". Kind of on the same line as the 'day after pill'. Both deal with life and both deal in the end of life.

What you said is painful to hear, but is true. No one really knows what another person is deeply truly going through. Complete understanding is not easy to come by...if can be obtained at all.

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