SUICIDE---NO!!??---(why NOT?)

SUICIDE---NO!!??---(why NOT?)

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Sidewaze

Charleston, WV

#1 Apr 25, 2009
What if 'rein carnal ation' IS true??
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Then maybe, justy maybe, I would possibly, immediately, come back to this earth as an----
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OUTHOUSE FLY..........
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My best of friends would be--- a big ole pile of dung.....Hmnn I already have a few of those.. hehehehe
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I DON'T THINK SO!! WHy would'nt YOU??
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>!<+>-<><@@@ ----- Duh WoK
Sidewaze

Charleston, WV

#2 Apr 25, 2009
And besides, I justy GOTTA stick around to think up these 'TREE MEND US' threads,
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and even torture a few people...YET... tee hee...
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Duh----------4956

“Ridin' The Devils Little Horse”

Since: Mar 08

Straight To Hells Door

#3 Apr 25, 2009
OK so you struck a nerve here... My brother took his life... and now I'll tell you why it is wrong to do it.. It has nothing with religion or the threat of hell or perdition... It has nothing to do with what's morally right or wrong in anyway.. The reason you shouldn't take your own life is because when you do you take part of the lives of every person who ever loved you. They die right along with you... Not to mention that You have beaten the people you love half to death emotionally and maybe even caused one or two to die as a result of the shock. If they make it past the fact that you have taken such a selfish route then they still have to live with the pain of your decision for the rest of their lives....Suicide is a very permanent solution to life's temporary problems...

If you are talking Euthanasia that would be a different thing entirely... I do believe that people who are staring eminent death in the face should have the right to make that call... no questions asked...

My two cents for whats it's worth... Sending you my best wishes for Peace, Love, Health and Happiness...
@}-'--,---

“June ”

Level 8

Since: Dec 06

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#4 Apr 25, 2009
Wildbluerose wrote:
OK so you struck a nerve here... My brother took his life... and now I'll tell you why it is wrong to do it.. It has nothing with religion or the threat of hell or perdition... It has nothing to do with what's morally right or wrong in anyway.. The reason you shouldn't take your own life is because when you do you take part of the lives of every person who ever loved you. They die right along with you... Not to mention that You have beaten the people you love half to death emotionally and maybe even caused one or two to die as a result of the shock. If they make it past the fact that you have taken such a selfish route then they still have to live with the pain of your decision for the rest of their lives....Suicide is a very permanent solution to life's temporary problems...
If you are talking Euthanasia that would be a different thing entirely... I do believe that people who are staring eminent death in the face should have the right to make that call... no questions asked...
My two cents for whats it's worth... Sending you my best wishes for Peace, Love, Health and Happiness...
@}-'--,---
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6xSGLZd9Vg4XX
A lot of what you say is true WBR..

but it runs VERY.. VERY deep and- while on one hand the person is semi conscious of
the hurt and deep sadness that will resound thru' the
family- like a pebble being cast in the waters- it's rings widening ever outward..
bringing inense and immense sorrow...

and YET.. the depth of despair and hopelessness that now has the suicide
victim firmly in it's fierce grip CHANGES and Distorts his/her thinking and removes them 'mentally'
from reality..

“Ridin' The Devils Little Horse”

Since: Mar 08

Straight To Hells Door

#6 Apr 25, 2009
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
A lot of what you say is true WBR..
but it runs VERY.. VERY deep and- while on one hand the person is semi conscious of
the hurt and deep sadness that will resound thru' the
family- like a pebble being cast in the waters- it's rings widening ever outward..
bringing inense and immense sorrow...
and YET.. the depth of despair and hopelessness that now has the suicide
victim firmly in it's fierce grip CHANGES and Distorts his/her thinking and removes them 'mentally'
from reality..
Hi Grace... I'm just speaking from my heart about what it can do to those left behind... I think about taking that route myself as you well know... What keeps me here are the very reasons I listed for why you shouldn't take your life.. I know what it would do to my children and the rest of my friends and family... Depression is a very dangerous disease and it will mess your mind up in all kind of ways.. You can tell yourself no one will miss you, that the world would be a better place without you, that people would be better off without you in their lives.. That you have no future, that there is no way to make anything better.. and you will believe it all the while knowing it isn't true... I know all of those personally and I'm still here living with those thoughts on a regular basis... Knowing what is causing you to feel the way you do really does help you to deal with it.. Many things can trigger thoughts of suicide and depression and sometimes I get blindsided by it.. But then I can stop and really think about what it is that is making me feel like life isn't worth living and I can reason with my emotions... and make some sense of it then I can get past it.. OH well like I said it was just my two cents for what it's worth... if my personal experiences help someone to see that suicide isn't the answer then I guess sharing this personal information was worth it..
@}-'--,---

“June ”

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Since: Dec 06

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#7 Apr 25, 2009
Wildbluerose wrote:
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Hi Grace... I'm just speaking from my heart about what it can do to those left behind... I think about taking that route myself as you well know... What keeps me here are the very reasons I listed for why you shouldn't take your life.. I know what it would do to my children and the rest of my friends and family... Depression is a very dangerous disease and it will mess your mind up in all kind of ways.. You can tell yourself no one will miss you, that the world would be a better place without you, that people would be better off without you in their lives.. That you have no future, that there is no way to make anything better.. and you will believe it all the while knowing it isn't true... I know all of those personally and I'm still here living with those thoughts on a regular basis... Knowing what is causing you to feel the way you do really does help you to deal with it.. Many things can trigger thoughts of suicide and depression and sometimes I get blindsided by it.. But then I can stop and really think about what it is that is making me feel like life isn't worth living and I can reason with my emotions... and make some sense of it then I can get past it.. OH well like I said it was just my two cents for what it's worth... if my personal experiences help someone to see that suicide isn't the answer then I guess sharing this personal information was worth it..
@}-'--,---
Thanks indeed WBR for fine post..
and I agree, I think we all feel that way 'at times' about life and like you say..
if one gives oneself the wrong signals often enuf' one will tend to start believing them..

Also.. I might add.. many families (behind the scenes here .. and indeed .. possibly several amongst us..)
have been affected by .. or personally had a brush with ..'suicide' altho 'many' may not
choose to openly come forward .. and admit it on Topix.. the respectful right of each person ..
therefore ..'thank you' for being so open
and in that way .. helpful..

Yes I agree..
DEPRESSION .. left unaided .. can do untold damage.. and in the blackest moments,
when everything seems hopeless, there seems
no other way out but ONE!

'Depression' at its deepest is worse than some of th major physical illnessess..
and I often think the proof here is.. it's
intensity sometimes pushes one to 'end it all'
whereas.(while, in no way making light of serious physical illnesses) people with physical illnesses mostly want to strive to become well again..

At least in our 21st century, great in-roads have been made in the treatment and care of mental illnesses and 'endogenous and
reactive depressions'..with high powered drugs which enable folks to lead a relatively normal life...

I'm not saying, of course, EVERYONE who ends a life was depressed, there are a myriad of reasons as to
why people take this final course of action.. but ' deep depression' IS a very common cause.

Thanks again WBR.

Vee

“Happeeeeeee 2016!!!!!!!”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#8 Apr 25, 2009
WildBlueRose.......we shared a lot but you never told me. This is emotionally scarring and painful and I know what you want to ask above and beyond anything else is WHY. Each day you go through the grief, if only I could have done this, or said this, if I could take back things I said years ago, if I had a clue, if he only came to me, if I had been there when it was impossible for me to be there, if we were closer, you can go over this a million and one times and if not this time, another place and time he would have found a way to still do what he did. It was nothing you did or did not do. It was not anything anyone else did or did not do. He was troubled, burdened, this is the path he chose and no one who takes their lives stops to think of who they leave behind or the anguish of others. This made you care deeper for other people, to love harder, to be closer to your children, to cherish the ones you love, to go through this world and see things like no one else sees them. This taught you the lesson of how easy God giveth and God taketh away. So sing, dance, poot like no one is watching because once they finish with the curtain call....who really knows??????????

Just call me BETH

“My Favorite Aunt”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#9 Apr 25, 2009
I saw this just now. I have seen many folks refer to it at times. This makes me upset and sad. I cannot adequately how devasted I feel when I see this.

It is something I have dealt with in my own family. If I could have told them ,in the right time, for them....Maybe they would be here.

You have no idea how loved you are, wanted by others around you. Could you just reach out and ask?

If only we knew how important we were to others ....would that help ? I wonder. I never reached out. Others did to help me....Knowing I needed them in my dark spaces, giving thier love.

Maybe this is what is needed ?

“Ridin' The Devils Little Horse”

Since: Mar 08

Straight To Hells Door

#10 Apr 25, 2009
Vee wrote:
WildBlueRose.......we shared a lot but you never told me. This is emotionally scarring and painful and I know what you want to ask above and beyond anything else is WHY. Each day you go through the grief, if only I could have done this, or said this, if I could take back things I said years ago, if I had a clue, if he only came to me, if I had been there when it was impossible for me to be there, if we were closer, you can go over this a million and one times and if not this time, another place and time he would have found a way to still do what he did. It was nothing you did or did not do. It was not anything anyone else did or did not do. He was troubled, burdened, this is the path he chose and no one who takes their lives stops to think of who they leave behind or the anguish of others. This made you care deeper for other people, to love harder, to be closer to your children, to cherish the ones you love, to go through this world and see things like no one else sees them. This taught you the lesson of how easy God giveth and God taketh away. So sing, dance, poot like no one is watching because once they finish with the curtain call....who really knows??????????
I have mentioned my brother a lot but this part of his life is not something I talk about very often.. You see Vee there have been more suicides in my family and it has touched us all very deeply... We have all dealt with it is our own ways but the one thing we all have in common is the wish that there was something we could have done to stop them somehow.. That tiny bit of self doubt can cause a lot of guilt...

My Brother in Law Gary's son took his daddy's gun and at age 14 thought he had nothing to live for and he blew his brains out..
Jeremy was a beautiful boy and smart kid who did well in school and had many friends.. Decided one day that life was not worth living and he shot himself in the head..

His father...
My brother in law Gary consumed with grief and drinking one night about six months later... Put a quarter stick of dynamite in his mouth lit the fuse and blew his head off....

My little brother Billy... Had a wife and a daughter, his own home, his own very successful business, a Cadillac, a chopped out screaming Harley, a new Pontiac Firebird and a Vintage Ford truck he was restoring sitting in his driveway... It seemed he was living the life everyone wants to live... My daughter had visited him the night before he killed himself and she said there wasn't anything wrong that they were all just visiting and having a great time... She said he hugged her and told her he loved her when she got ready to leave nothing unusual about that.. The next morning he sent his wife out to get a Sunday paper and some Taco Bell, when she left he walked into the laundry room and hung himself... He didn't leave a note, I suppose that he just said that's it and it was...


No one can stop someone who is going to take their life.. It is hard to accept but there really wasn't anything I could have done or anything anyone else could have done to stop these deaths from happening... It is the decision that when made can not be unmade.. So there it is in black and white.. there's more but it is simply to hard to discuss...

I am here and here I'll stay I made a promise...
so no matter how much I think about it and that is often, no matter how much I talk about it which is much less often, I will not do it. I made a promise to my Mom and My Sister... Mom's gone 5 years now and Billy is gone 15 and not a day goes by that I don't feel that loss... not one... I won't put my family through that Hell again no matter what I have to deal with...
@}-'--,---

I hope that whoever reads this post will know that if you choose to take your life you are taking a lot more than just one life when you do....
Peace.....
@}-'--,---
Carly

Memphis, TN

#11 Apr 25, 2009
I lost my aunt to suicide when I was 16... she was only 22 and left behind 2 small babies, now teenagers. My family was ripped apart and still has not healed... I'm not sure it ever will fully recover.

Just 2 years ago my husband made an attempt and broke my heart... I am just now beginning to heal this deep wound.

Don't do it, because the pain you are trying to escape gets passed on to those you leave behind.

Ask for help... if you are too scared to ask someone you know, please call this number, they can help you... National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-TALK.
Carly

Memphis, TN

#12 Apr 25, 2009
WBR.. I can relate a lot to your posts... I was suicidal when my aunt killed herself... I had made two attempts, thinking I wouldn't be missed... I'm sure she thought the same thing... that thought couldn't have been more wrong for either of us, because I miss her EVERYday. I still get depressed and ponder if the fight is worth it... and even when I think it isn't, I hang on for the people I love... I love them more than I hate myself even in my lowest state of mind. It helps to come here and read beautiful and uplifting posts by people such as you... thank you for making the fight a little less difficult... at least today.

:)
MeanandNasty

Penrose, CO

#13 Apr 25, 2009
A good friend at college committed suicide in my freshman year. None of us saw it coming. We were around him every day, and there were no signs. He acted like the rest of us guys, so not one clue.

Don't do it! The reasons WBR stated were spot on. Another reason is 5 years from now, whatever was hurting you so bad isn't going to matter. You will be in a different place with different people. Talk to someone, anyone! You can and will get past this!
Druid

United States

#14 Apr 26, 2009
Ms Nerissa....I dont know if you recall a "conversation" we had a while back regarding my own brothers succesful suicide....regarding his last, full breathe ....in the rain...as he hung himself ..... your thoughtfulness at that time helped me a great deal.....and Im coming up on yet another "milemarker" if you will....your careful and well thought out words helped me immensely that night long ago.....you are a thoughtful, inspirational guide.....through matters of the heart and soul.....I hope that this person seeking guidance, solace, attention.....love....looks no further than your words of wisdom......your words saved me from despair.........I feel comfort in seeing you here.........and so should the poster.........
Druid

United States

#15 Apr 26, 2009
Abuse tore a huge hole in my familys life...serious abuse....to this day I tread an emotional pool....trying my best to keep my nose above drowning...my brother hung himself....in the early morning....in the rain....I know the very last breathe he took, was his finest....was his most absolute cleansing breathe....his last was his first....his first real decision in his life...when it rains, I stand in it....I appreciate it....he loved the rain....and I pay him respect.....by loving the rain as well....his teardrops on my face....his escape from the pain...gently washed away....one drop at a time....its a very final answer, to a manageable situation....as long as you reach out...dont even consider it....the pain and anguish you cause will never affect you....and the whole reason most individuals want to kill themsleves is due to pain and anguish....learn from it...and never inflict it on another....isnt that what you ultimately want to begin with?
RE-IN-CARNAL-A-T ION

Charleston, WV

#17 Apr 26, 2009
Sidewaze wrote:
What if 'rein carnal ation' IS true??
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Then maybe, justy maybe, I would possibly, immediately, come back to this earth as an----
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'
OUTHOUSE FLY..........
'
'
My best of friends would be--- a big ole pile of dung.....Hmnn I already have a few of those.. hehehehe
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I DON'T THINK SO!! WHy would'nt YOU??
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>!<+>-<><@@@ ----- Duh WoK
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Oh my... I just woke up with the wierdest of thoughts.... What about if I came back .....
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AS A PUBIC CRAB... and I would be caught rubbing between the thighs of some CRACK MOMMA....??? Down and dirty ....HUH??? WHAT????
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SHEESH!!!
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BTW.. You ALL bring about some very interesing points and sad instances... Blessings to you all..
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ALL OF YOU...
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YES,, EVEN YOU!!

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Duh--WoK
Grace Nerissa

Dublin, Ireland

#18 Apr 26, 2009
RE-IN-CARNAL-A-TION wrote:
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Oh my... I just woke up with the wierdest of thoughts.... What about if I came back .....
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AS A PUBIC CRAB... and I would be caught rubbing between the thighs of some CRACK MOMMA....??? Down and dirty ....HUH??? WHAT????
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SHEESH!!!
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BTW.. You ALL bring about some very interesing points and sad instances... Blessings to you all..
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ALL OF YOU...
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YES,, EVEN YOU!!
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Duh--WoK
AND .. blessings to you Terry..
for bringing up the thread that is an outlet for VERY
heart rending thoughts to be expressed on such a
deeply sensitive subject..

Hoping as always that you and yours are well..
dear friend...

“June ”

Level 8

Since: Dec 06

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#19 Apr 26, 2009
Druid wrote:
Ms Nerissa....I dont know if you recall a "conversation" we had a while back regarding my own brothers succesful suicide....regarding his last, full breathe ....in the rain...as he hung himself ..... your thoughtfulness at that time helped me a great deal.....and Im coming up on yet another "milemarker" if you will....your careful and well thought out words helped me immensely that night long ago.....you are a thoughtful, inspirational guide.....through matters of the heart and soul.....I hope that this person seeking guidance, solace, attention.....love....looks no further than your words of wisdom......your words saved me from despair.........I feel comfort in seeing you here.........and so should the poster.........
Thank you VERY MUCH for such a truly complimentary post..
I
am delighted to think I was of any help at the
time...

It goes to show, we are all fragile and need
a kindly word .. which can make a difference.. I'm so honoured mine did that night...

Hope it will get easier as time goes on..

I think the words of this lovely song
say a lot...

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Vee

“Happeeeeeee 2016!!!!!!!”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#20 Apr 26, 2009
In Judiasm, G-d gave you a body so that you can follow the Torah and be a good person. He also told us that it's Issur( not allowed) to kill someone, bec:
a) they're his children, and who are you to take them away from Him?
b) killing violates the Shalom Ben Adam V'Chavero (peace bet. a man and his friend). killing is wrong.
Another thing we learn is that it's Issur to kill yourself. Why? Becuase He gave you this body to live in, but when you move on, it's still His and not yours for the taking. So you're are not allowed to do harm to yourself even, because ultimately, you are harming G-d.
About the hell thing. Jews don't believe in hell. We believe you get an Onesh (punishment) for doing this to yourself in the Olam Habah (world to come) or simply, when you die and go to face Him.
(This is a round about way the reasons why it is sinful for Jews to commit suicide. Also, if you do, you are not allowed to be buried in a Jewish cemetary.)

“June ”

Level 8

Since: Dec 06

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#21 Apr 26, 2009
Vee wrote:
In Judiasm, G-d gave you a body so that you can follow the Torah and be a good person. He also told us that it's Issur( not allowed) to kill someone, bec:
a) they're his children, and who are you to take them away from Him?
b) killing violates the Shalom Ben Adam V'Chavero (peace bet. a man and his friend). killing is wrong.
Another thing we learn is that it's Issur to kill yourself. Why? Becuase He gave you this body to live in, but when you move on, it's still His and not yours for the taking. So you're are not allowed to do harm to yourself even, because ultimately, you are harming G-d.
About the hell thing. Jews don't believe in hell. We believe you get an Onesh (punishment) for doing this to yourself in the Olam Habah (world to come) or simply, when you die and go to face Him.
(This is a round about way the reasons why it is sinful for Jews to commit suicide. Also, if you do, you are not allowed to be buried in a Jewish cemetary.)
Vee,
That was interesting .. as it is always to read of the rulings of
differing religions.

I know YOU are not responsible for what is written in 'your' religion.. as I am not in 'mine'

but I consider it very harsh.. that > because the 'deceased' may be the result of suicide 'he' is alienated from 'his' own' cemetery
or the cemetery of 'that' religion..

This USED to be the case too in Catholic religion but as time went on.. it was deemed to be too harsh a ruling.. unmerciful as well as .. offensive to the
relatives of the deceased,.. thus the law was discontinued ..

Also, and this is my own personal thinking..
Unfortunate people who commit suicide NEVER do it lightly, when they
resort to it, most times, as a very last resort - their poor minds far removed from reality, broken from the pain of despair and full of anguish, desperate and isolated ... no longer, even in a position of clarity to wonder if >what they are about to do
is 'right' or 'wrong'

HOW then can ANY GOD judge so harshly (in my opinion) and maintain suicide is sinful???

It is beyond ME for sure .. as GOD ..(so we are told) is ALL KNOWING... FULL of understanding, compassion HIS mercy is beyond all and knows no end..
WHY even "I" a mere lowly human can have love and empathy in my heart for a suicide victim ..

I DONT understand it...

It not only makes me sad...

but angry too..

However,

Thanks Vee for your interesting input..

“Our Grand daughter”

Level 3

Since: Sep 06

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#22 Apr 26, 2009
These stories break my heart. Death is permenant, once you're there, you can't come back. I have talked with a lot of youth and have told them this and it worked with several..God bless you all.

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