Certain types of ultralights ought to...

Certain types of ultralights ought to be allowed to fly over urban areas.

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He who likes to fly

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Apr 22, 2014
I understand that there are certain types of ultralight aircraft, especially the fixed-wing versions, that can be prone to crashing. But to ban every single type of thing capable of short takeoffs and landings and carrying a person is totally ridiculous! It would be like banning bicycles in urban areas because they are slow compared to car traffic and prone to tipping over, or even banning boomerangs and toy balloons because they are unpowered and are at the mercy of the wind. Powered paragliders and even powered parachutes are obviously a lot more stable than fixed-wing ultralights, far less prone to stalling, they can take off in as little as 300 feet, and unlike fixed wing ultralights, if the engine quits, a powered paraglider/parachute is totally unlikely to go nosediving into the ground at 80 miles per hour, unlike a fixed-wing ultralight. Benson gyrocopters also ought to be allowed over urban areas as they are very nearly as stable as a powered parachute, and contrary to belief, a Benson gyrocopter is also very unlikely to simply fall straight out of the sky if the engine quits as the wind going through the overhead rotor continues to spin the rotor like a windmill, in turn also tremendously slowing the rate of descent and allowing the aircraft to even glide like a Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Boomaring before touching down, assuming in a soccer field, baseball field, an open area of a park, or a vacant parking lot with enough space that you don't hit the rotor blades on any light poles, trees, power lines, walls, or what not.
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Paw Paw, MI

#2 Apr 23, 2014
you apparently are not familiar with the term chute collapse

in a down draft or cross wind I would much prefer a fixed wing, the Eipper Quicksilver is an excellent aircraft fitted with BRS recovery chute makes them very safe

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#3 Apr 23, 2014
ultralights must comply with FAA rules and ... that place air restrictions on

so all aren't banned
He who likes to fly

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Apr 23, 2014
Chute collapses are totally unlikely to occur over open plains type/flat terrain. Also, urban areas normally create more heat than surrounding areas, and as everyone knows, heat rises, and rising air from an urban area would easily prevent a chute collapse from occuring. As far as I know it, chute collapses are only a problem in mountainous terrain and in canyons, although a chute collapse could occur if one flies beneath a helicopter and catches the downdraft from the helicopter's rotor blades. Also, powered paragliders especially normally only consist of a person with a propeller and a parachute strapped to his back and can not possibly do any more damage than a few dents to metallic surfaces and a few broken twigs/small tree branches if it were to crash. Heck, a person wearing a powered paraglider can even harmlessly land right on the street if his engine failed, especially if he can do so without getting his parachute lines/canopy snagged by a tree or a light pole.
He who likes to fly

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Apr 23, 2014
Not to mention another type of aircraft, the paracycle, is also quite harmless; I mean, a paracycle is not much more than a conventional 3 wheeled bicycle with an engine, a propeller, and a parachute stuck on.
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Paw Paw, MI

#6 Apr 23, 2014
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#7 Apr 23, 2014
tallyho wrote:
ultralights must comply with FAA rules and ... that place air restrictions on
so all aren't banned
really?

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Nehwon

#8 Apr 23, 2014
He who likes to fly wrote:
I understand that there are certain types of ultralight aircraft, especially the fixed-wing versions, that can be prone to crashing. But to ban every single type of thing capable of short takeoffs and landings and carrying a person is totally ridiculous! It would be like banning bicycles in urban areas because they are slow compared to car traffic and prone to tipping over, or even banning boomerangs and toy balloons because they are unpowered and are at the mercy of the wind. Powered paragliders and even powered parachutes are obviously a lot more stable than fixed-wing ultralights, far less prone to stalling, they can take off in as little as 300 feet, and unlike fixed wing ultralights, if the engine quits, a powered paraglider/parachute is totally unlikely to go nosediving into the ground at 80 miles per hour, unlike a fixed-wing ultralight. Benson gyrocopters also ought to be allowed over urban areas as they are very nearly as stable as a powered parachute, and contrary to belief, a Benson gyrocopter is also very unlikely to simply fall straight out of the sky if the engine quits as the wind going through the overhead rotor continues to spin the rotor like a windmill, in turn also tremendously slowing the rate of descent and allowing the aircraft to even glide like a Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Boomaring before touching down, assuming in a soccer field, baseball field, an open area of a park, or a vacant parking lot with enough space that you don't hit the rotor blades on any light poles, trees, power lines, walls, or what not.
What's this ban you are talking about?

Last I knew, there was a basement for controlled airspace that ultralights were free to fly. Well, except for areas where large aircraft are expected to land.

And is there a connection with civilian drone aircraft?
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Paw Paw, MI

#9 Apr 23, 2014
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
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Last I knew, there was a basement for controlled airspace that ultralights were free to fly. Well, except for areas where large aircraft are expected to land.
..........
TCA
terminal control area

shaped like an upside down wedding cake

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Nehwon

#10 Apr 23, 2014
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>TCA
terminal control area
shaped like an upside down wedding cake
Can you help me understand what's going on here?

I've read tidbits here and there on the internet about flight space. Hence, I'm no expert.

So what's the opening post's beef?

Even a link to a website would be helpful.
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Paw Paw, MI

#11 Apr 24, 2014
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you help me understand what's going on here?
I've read tidbits here and there on the internet about flight space. Hence, I'm no expert.
So what's the opening post's beef?
Even a link to a website would be helpful.
he makes no sense to me, I haven't flown in years so I am out of the loop

how do ya tell who is the paraplane pilots at Oshkosh, they are the ones with a limp

I think it must have to do with homeland security
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Paw Paw, MI

#12 Apr 24, 2014
maybe pops can copy and paste something for us

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#13 Apr 24, 2014
try reading ......... mr youtube..

I tell ya you call me a liar ...so I show you .. you cry like a baby ... because you can't debunk that

but any how ....he said over [urban areas] last thing we need is a bubble falling from the sky over a community

over cows we don't care [ rural ]

FAA rules

are you sure because I didn't think an ultra-light could get that much weight aloft
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Paw Paw, MI

#14 Apr 24, 2014
tallyho wrote:
try reading ......... mr youtube..
I tell ya you call me a liar ...so I show you .. you cry like a baby ... because you can't debunk that
but any how ....he said over [urban areas] last thing we need is a bubble falling from the sky over a community
over cows we don't care [ rural ]
FAA rules
are you sure because I didn't think an ultra-light could get that much weight aloft
reading what pops?

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Nehwon

#15 Apr 25, 2014
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>he makes no sense to me, I haven't flown in years so I am out of the loop
how do ya tell who is the paraplane pilots at Oshkosh, they are the ones with a limp
I think it must have to do with homeland security
I'm glad I'm not the only one. It seems like there was a lot rambling ranting going on there.

On second reading of the initial posters post, I wonder if he landed his ultralight on an Interstate highway and got cited for drunk driving once he touched down.
A TROLL NAMED SLACK

Paw Paw, MI

#16 Apr 25, 2014
hard landings will take their toll

if ya ever get the chance for someone to take you up in a two seater jump on it

its like nothing else man
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Paw Paw, MI

#18 Apr 25, 2014
NOOOOOOoooooooo

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Nehwon

#19 Apr 25, 2014
A TROLL NAMED SLACK wrote:
hard landings will take their toll
if ya ever get the chance for someone to take you up in a two seater jump on it
its like nothing else man
Like one of these?

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.airpo...

Alas, it would probably end up like this:

He who likes to fly

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Apr 26, 2014
tallyho wrote:
ultralights must comply with FAA rules and ... that place air restrictions on
so all aren't banned
All ARE banned over populated areas! Currently as it appears, the FAA's attitude towards any kind of non-licensed aircraft other than kites and boomerangs is as follows; if you are too scared to drive, if there are no bicycle trails, or if car traffic is too heavy and there is nothing but road construction, too bad, sore loser! You will learn to live in isolation from all but your immediate neighborhood! And under absolutely NO circumstances at all WHATSOEVER does ANY person within the United States of America have any business making/having friends/meeting people who live 50 and 60 miles from them!

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#21 Apr 26, 2014
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