Level 7

Since: Feb 09

Cottonwood, AZ

#44 Feb 2, 2013
harley-hunni wrote:
it is a cowards way out. No matter the reason, still a cowardly act.
I used to think that. I know it's hard for the people that have to tend to the body. But think of this: imagine the poor cancer patient that has so much pain that he can't stand it. The pain can be so intense that they kind of go crazy and not think all too clearly. I know this to be true. My uncle dying of cancer jumped to his death off of a bridge. Cowardly act? Just maybe he just had enough suffering, and possibly also didn't want his family to see his daily pain either. You should have known him. There wasn't a nicer, more caring guy on this Earth. I think in the long run, God will judge us by not how we end our life- but by how we lived it. I do respect your opinion though, Dear Friend, and I hope you never have to see a person grasping for air as they die that aggonizing type of death.

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#45 Feb 2, 2013
skybobbie wrote:
<quoted text>
I used to think that. I know it's hard for the people that have to tend to the body. But think of this: imagine the poor cancer patient that has so much pain that he can't stand it. The pain can be so intense that they kind of go crazy and not think all too clearly. I know this to be true. My uncle dying of cancer jumped to his death off of a bridge. Cowardly act? Just maybe he just had enough suffering, and possibly also didn't want his family to see his daily pain either. You should have known him. There wasn't a nicer, more caring guy on this Earth. I think in the long run, God will judge us by not how we end our life- but by how we lived it. I do respect your opinion though, Dear Friend, and I hope you never have to see a person grasping for air as they die that aggonizing type of death.
I couldn't imagine judging somebody for such a final act. Who knows what is going on in their mind at the time. I could not even comprehend what the feelings of that FINAL moment would be when you know you are actually going to do it!

“I'll just kick me down a wall,”

Level 6

Since: Dec 11

And walk outa here!

#46 Feb 2, 2013
GMGMIKE wrote:
... im gonna kill myself for stoppin here ...
i finally gave in and checked out this thread and leave it to you to make me LMAO!!

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#48 Feb 2, 2013
Suicide isn't just selfish, it's violent, aggressive and very harmful. I'm against all suicide; life is valuable.

“More Brains Than .....”

Level 6

Since: Sep 11

..a Zombie Thanksgiving

#49 Feb 2, 2013
What if you're pregnant and commit suicide?

Is there an extra level of hades in that poorly written graphic novel called the Bible?
danclark

Newark, NJ

#50 Feb 2, 2013
skybobbie wrote:
<quoted text>
I used to think that. I know it's hard for the people that have to tend to the body. But think of this: imagine the poor cancer patient that has so much pain that he can't stand it. The pain can be so intense that they kind of go crazy and not think all too clearly. I know this to be true. My uncle dying of cancer jumped to his death off of a bridge. Cowardly act? Just maybe he just had enough suffering, and possibly also didn't want his family to see his daily pain either. You should have known him. There wasn't a nicer, more caring guy on this Earth. I think in the long run, God will judge us by not how we end our life- but by how we lived it. I do respect your opinion though, Dear Friend, and I hope you never have to see a person grasping for air as they die that aggonizing type of death.
Likewise here. Long story so I"ll keep it short. My grandmother was morr of a mother than my birth mother. She raised me for a year while my mom went through physch treatments. My mom never showed much concern for her 3 kids my grandmother did. She dief of cancer-large tumors that could'nt operate on without killing her, so they let her die slowly in a nursing home in utter agony!. I had to see this strong-willed-caring person cry out in pain. She wanted to die so not to suffer any longer. That's when I became pro for a person to decide for themselves when to end life, not a doctor who has no such pain(which is also law).They are not thr ones in agony making the decisions. Also my grandfather died yeats before (cirrosis of thr liver) he had hand pads on because he was pulling his hair ouy because of severe pain. Animals are treated better. Given a dose to end a pets life peaceably to stop their suffering,saying its humane to end their life, cruel to let a pet suffer. But we'll let people suffer to death.What's humane about that?

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Level 8

Since: Oct 07

Formerly From Kenya

#51 Feb 2, 2013
danclark wrote:
<quoted text> Likewise here. Long story so I"ll keep it short. My grandmother was morr of a mother than my birth mother. She raised me for a year while my mom went through physch treatments. My mom never showed much concern for her 3 kids my grandmother did. She dief of cancer-large tumors that could'nt operate on without killing her, so they let her die slowly in a nursing home in utter agony!. I had to see this strong-willed-caring person cry out in pain. She wanted to die so not to suffer any longer. That's when I became pro for a person to decide for themselves when to end life, not a doctor who has no such pain(which is also law).They are not thr ones in agony making the decisions. Also my grandfather died yeats before (cirrosis of thr liver) he had hand pads on because he was pulling his hair ouy because of severe pain. Animals are treated better. Given a dose to end a pets life peaceably to stop their suffering,saying its humane to end their life, cruel to let a pet suffer. But we'll let people suffer to death.What's humane about that?
There is nothing humane about it...follow the money...that is where the answer is and 'lies'..

Legislature in the near future will provide that a person has the choice..it is going to be slow in coming but it will arrive..the problem right now is the insurance companies and people have yet to make the decision between their own dignity and leaving money behind..hard to believe..
danclark

Baltimore, MD

#52 Feb 3, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Suicide isn't just selfish, it's violent, aggressive and very harmful. I'm against all suicide; life is valuable.
that statement, I find, does'nt cover all situations. some suicides are mild in doing (according to forensics). yes I agree life is valuable. Just look at the news and discover how life is treated. Wars, crime and large companies don't care who is dying or have died. where is the compassion for life among those entities? people who lost income, forrclosures on homes putting people on the streets, those already homeless. wheres the help for them and thier lives? Lack of health care. lack of food. so what happens? Some do suicide because no one valued thier life enough, know they're not wanted in this world, so they end it. jusy something to think about before labeling all as "taking thr easy way out". How many in society reach out to somone in despair to save a life?

Level 7

Since: Feb 09

Cottonwood, AZ

#53 Feb 3, 2013
danclark wrote:
<quoted text> Likewise here. Long story so I"ll keep it short. My grandmother was morr of a mother than my birth mother. She raised me for a year while my mom went through physch treatments. My mom never showed much concern for her 3 kids my grandmother did. She dief of cancer-large tumors that could'nt operate on without killing her, so they let her die slowly in a nursing home in utter agony!. I had to see this strong-willed-caring person cry out in pain. She wanted to die so not to suffer any longer. That's when I became pro for a person to decide for themselves when to end life, not a doctor who has no such pain(which is also law).They are not thr ones in agony making the decisions. Also my grandfather died yeats before (cirrosis of thr liver) he had hand pads on because he was pulling his hair ouy because of severe pain. Animals are treated better. Given a dose to end a pets life peaceably to stop their suffering,saying its humane to end their life, cruel to let a pet suffer. But we'll let people suffer to death.What's humane about that?
I agree with you. There is nothing humane about that at all. I watched my Dad "drown" with fluid in his lungs while his body struggled to breath as he slowly died of cancer. And there wasn't anything anybody could do about it, short of giving him pain shots. Anybody who hasn't seen a loved one dying like that has no business preaching to us about the "right" way to die. I think I'm going to stop watching this thread from here on.- It does bring back very painfull memories. Thankyou for your comments- and may God bless!

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Since: Mar 07

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#55 Feb 3, 2013
justaguess wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing humane about it...follow the money...that is where the answer is and 'lies'..
Legislature in the near future will provide that a person has the choice..it is going to be slow in coming but it will arrive..the problem right now is the insurance companies and people have yet to make the decision between their own dignity and leaving money behind..hard to believe..
Death with Dignity Act

On October 27, 1997 Oregon enacted the Death with Dignity Act which allows terminally-ill Oregonians to end their lives through the voluntary self-administration of lethal medications, expressly prescribed by a physician for that purpose....

http://public.health.oregon.gov/ProviderPartn...

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#56 Feb 3, 2013
Nancy Botwin wrote:
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Death with Dignity Act
On October 27, 1997 Oregon enacted the Death with Dignity Act which allows terminally-ill Oregonians to end their lives through the voluntary self-administration of lethal medications, expressly prescribed by a physician for that purpose....
http://public.health.oregon.gov/ProviderPartn...
LOL @ The Judge It Genie. Tell me, does TPX pay you to follow me around? You can judge me all you want...I don't care...but the information isn't diminished by your juvenile tactics. The FACT that Oregon has a "Death with Dignity Act" can not be disputed.

BTW..I worked in-home hospice for almost 15 years and suspect I've attended and seen more deaths than all of you put together. I have one word that covers it all.....COMPASSION.

THIS IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS...

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#57 Feb 3, 2013
Thanks to the "changing judge it genie"...Bless you

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#58 Feb 3, 2013
He who knows wrote:
It is very sad whenever someone takes their own life in a suicide. But here is another reason to refrain from committing suicide. Committing suicide is a sin. Even though it is the taking of one's own life, it is still in direct violation of #6 of God's commandments. And in fact, even more harrowing, there is also a very high possibility that the suicide person's soul can end up in the Lake of Fire for eternity, especially when there is no time for that person to repent. Unfortunately, it is very true in the spirit world. Committing suicide is very literally jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
That is ridiculous.
I'm sorry b/c I'm sure you believe that.
It's sad and a shame when someone commits
suicide but ppl who do are suffering.
Whether it be from a physical illness or
mental illness.
Who are we to judge someone elses pain?

We euthanize animals on the premises that
it's wrong to let them suffer.
Shouldn't ppl have that same option if
they are in their right mind?

And shouldn't we as a society learn to recognize
and treat mental illness b/f it leads to a
suicide that could have been prevent?

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#59 Feb 3, 2013
In short (too late..lol) I hope
we have something more to give ppl
than a threat of "burning in hell."

“New & Improved..”

Level 8

Since: Oct 07

Formerly From Kenya

#60 Feb 3, 2013
Nancy Botwin wrote:
<quoted text>
Death with Dignity Act
On October 27, 1997 Oregon enacted the Death with Dignity Act which allows terminally-ill Oregonians to end their lives through the voluntary self-administration of lethal medications, expressly prescribed by a physician for that purpose....
http://public.health.oregon.gov/ProviderPartn...
That is good information..
I tried to find out more about the after criteria, ie..if a patients life insurance would become null & void based on if this is considered suicide by law or not...not an easy road to answers there..very little straight forward talk on that..thanks.

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Location hidden

#61 Feb 3, 2013
justaguess wrote:
<quoted text>
That is good information..
I tried to find out more about the after criteria, ie..if a patients life insurance would become null & void based on if this is considered suicide by law or not...not an easy road to answers there..very little straight forward talk on that..thanks.
I found this...

"7. Will my loved ones be entitled to my life insurance policy if I choose to end my life by lethal ingestion of medication under The Act and will my health insurance policy carrier pay for the medical expenses associated with my using The Act?

A. YES to life insurance. Physician aid in dying is not the same as committing suicide, and is not treated as such by insurance companies. This is clearly explained in the Act. Loved ones (beneficiaries) are entitled to the proceeds of a patientís life insurance policy, just as they would be if the patient died naturally from their underlying illness.

www.compassionoforegon.org/forms/faq.doc

I hope this will answer most of your questions.

Regards...N
WIzard of Kaaz

Saint Albans, WV

#62 Feb 3, 2013
TenderTink wrote:
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Good morning Dan,
You have been heavy on my mind;
Having thought about you and this post for the past 72 hours.
There is more than the loss of your home going on here.
You are finding too many reasons to give up.
Depression and Grief are insidiousness things.
They can sneak into a person's psych and settle in comfortably without that person being aware of anything being wrong or different.
The only clues could be pervasive sadness or a bottomless feeling of despair.
I strongly encourage you to speak to your Dr.,
who is prescribing pain med.s,
about your home situation, your emotions
and frustrations about it all.
With that aside, there is no reason you can not be considered a permanent resident in your home of 41 years.
If family or the bank is telling you other wise, I assure you they are mistaken or out right lying to you.
Foreclosure is one thing; eviction is another....
I'd dare say you have squatters rights to live there
if nothing else!
Who is getting the mail and or notices, concerning this foreclosure?
If it is not coming to the house addressed
to you, or Mom, why not?
If your brother took over the note,
and he is letting the house go, that is very wrong,
and you have several recourse's available.
If you answer this post, I will reply to you.
Tink cares about you, and obviously several
other posters here do also.
Do not be discouraged if we can not get back quickly,
we all have different life events
and schedule's to deal with too.
Thank you for sharing your story with us
and opening yourself to the possibility
of an alternate solution.
That means so much to me.
I look forward to your next post.
Hugs and best wishes.
:-)
'

Very sweet of you TT.... Blessings.. 8)
'
Personally.. If someone ever says that I committed suicide I hope somebody investigates it....
'
On the other hand I kinda believe if somebody would commit suicide then somehow (KArma, God or something) just throws you immediatley right back onto this world to accomplish whatever it is that our purpose was..... Just sayin.. 8)

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Level 8

Since: Oct 07

Formerly From Kenya

#63 Feb 3, 2013
Nancy Botwin wrote:
<quoted text>
I found this...
"7. Will my loved ones be entitled to my life insurance policy if I choose to end my life by lethal ingestion of medication under The Act and will my health insurance policy carrier pay for the medical expenses associated with my using The Act?
A. YES to life insurance. Physician aid in dying is not the same as committing suicide, and is not treated as such by insurance companies. This is clearly explained in the Act. Loved ones (beneficiaries) are entitled to the proceeds of a patientís life insurance policy, just as they would be if the patient died naturally from their underlying illness.
www.compassionoforegon.org/forms/faq.doc
I hope this will answer most of your questions.
Regards...N
It does, thanks again...I did notice that the answer to question #7 had this statement..quote."federal funding cannot be used for services rendered under the Act."
Seems the new Obama system will suffer no loss..

This should be policy in every state in my opinion.

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#64 Feb 3, 2013
Since others were brave enough to
share a personal story with us I'll
share my own...or actually my families
b/c it was long b/f I was born.

My dads older brother committed suicide
when my dad was just a boy. 12 I think.

My dads brother was a young man, married
to the love of his life, with a 3 yr old
daughter that he adored.
His wife left, took the baby, and my
uncle tried everything to get his wife
and baby back.
She refused. She took the baby and moved
in with an older man w/a bad reputation.
At that time there were few laws for a
father who wanted his child. And few
places to go for mental health help.

He became Very depressed.
One morning he stirred rat poison into
his coffee.
You can imagine the rest of the story.
Horrifying as it was.

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#65 Feb 3, 2013
That was an example of a suicide that
should never have happened.

However in the case of terminal illness
I believe that is up to the individual.

When a person has had all they can take
and are ready to move on we should not
refuse them the right.
B/c all we do is prolong their suffering.

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