Committing suicide is a sin!

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He who knows

Cicero, IL

#1 Jan 26, 2013
It is very sad whenever someone takes their own life in a suicide. But here is another reason to refrain from committing suicide. Committing suicide is a sin. Even though it is the taking of one's own life, it is still in direct violation of #6 of God's commandments. And in fact, even more harrowing, there is also a very high possibility that the suicide person's soul can end up in the Lake of Fire for eternity, especially when there is no time for that person to repent. Unfortunately, it is very true in the spirit world. Committing suicide is very literally jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

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#2 Jan 26, 2013
Unless you're a liberal! Then it's encouraged!

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#3 Jan 26, 2013
If believing in fairy tales is your only reason to not commit suicide, than you might as well do it.

Since: Aug 08

Buffalo, NY

#4 Jan 26, 2013
... im gonna kill myself for stoppin here ...
60s chic

Bethlehem, PA

#6 Jan 28, 2013
Sad that suicide can be perceived as a topic for jokes. I know this is just a forum and we can say most anything we want, but I can't help failing to see the humor with suicide. Seriously, most of us know at least one person who have ended their life. Also, it seems very likely that Psychotropic drugs may have been responsible for 2 people I know who have killed themselves. These drugs are very powerful and contribute to unsatisfactory changes in the brain. I wonder how many others are taking these medications and are worse off or who also ended their lives? Sad and perhaps preventable.

“Mrs_E”

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Since: Apr 08

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#7 Jan 28, 2013
60s chic wrote:
Sad that suicide can be perceived as a topic for jokes. I know this is just a forum and we can say most anything we want, but I can't help failing to see the humor with suicide. Seriously, most of us know at least one person who have ended their life. Also, it seems very likely that Psychotropic drugs may have been responsible for 2 people I know who have killed themselves. These drugs are very powerful and contribute to unsatisfactory changes in the brain. I wonder how many others are taking these medications and are worse off or who also ended their lives? Sad and perhaps preventable.
Interesting, Im kindof torn on suicide, even given the biblical reamifications..
I think suicide is a very selfish act. To leave your loved one behind to sort out that kind of trauma..forcing them to wonder why "you" became so miserable , you felt you needed to leave them.. suicide leaves loved ones, never being able to find closer..
but on the biblical note. I wonder why god would allow someone, who clealry in their minds have lived in a hell worth killing themselves for,,, going to eternal hell.. even if not heaven,, you would think there would be somewhere they could go to find some kind of peace... not more torment...
danclark

Baltimore, MD

#8 Jan 28, 2013
60s chic wrote:
Sad that suicide can be perceived as a topic for jokes. I know this is just a forum and we can say most anything we want, but I can't help failing to see the humor with suicide. Seriously, most of us know at least one person who have ended their life. Also, it seems very likely that Psychotropic drugs may have been responsible for 2 people I know who have killed themselves. These drugs are very powerful and contribute to unsatisfactory changes in the brain. I wonder how many others are taking these medications and are worse off or who also ended their lives? Sad and perhaps preventable.
Absolutely this subject is no place for jokes and hate posting. Our military is currently high in suicides. Those who have lost much also. I remember a woman in the news that committed suicide because she was soon to become homeless decided to end her life than face the harshness of living on the streets during winter. She had all those comforts many years to be suddenly thrust into a terrible existance. No idea on how to survive that way, rather die in her home.

“Brains are wonderful,”

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I wish everyone had one.

#9 Jan 28, 2013
Some feel they cannot go on, very sad indeed.

I believe that hell in the afterlife is the turmoil that is within you. That you must face your own sins in order to travel on.
I believe that sinners like Hitler and such are stuck in a place of darkness, four levels deep. How could one like that overcome his fears and sins on humanity?
IMO, people who commit suicide are guilt ridding even more and have to try very hard to forgive themselves for leaving their loved ones. Maybe they become attached to earthly things and can't move on. That to me would be a kind of hell.

<lol, sorry, just my take on it>
danclark

Baltimore, MD

#10 Jan 28, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting, Im kindof torn on suicide, even given the biblical reamifications..
I think suicide is a very selfish act. To leave your loved one behind to sort out that kind of trauma..forcing them to wonder why "you" became so miserable , you felt you needed to leave them.. suicide leaves loved ones, never being able to find closer..
but on the biblical note. I wonder why god would allow someone, who clealry in their minds have lived in a hell worth killing themselves for,,, going to eternal hell.. even if not heaven,, you would think there would be somewhere they could go to find some kind of peace... not more torment...
I hear that sin is sin, none greater than another sin. If true, than suicide is equal to anyother sin we all do. Surely GOD would understand when a person is at that point and provide somekind of relief. I had a friend back in 1979 that did suicide. He got great grades in school, but grades began to decline. He got into drugs. He knew his father was strict. When his father found out about drug use, he killed himself. Now I have this other friend that got cylhmidia by unprotected sex. Before he knew what he had, claimed he would do suicide if he had AIDS. He also told me he nearly did suicide when his mother brought home a man. His father died of an anryism. So he was against her dating. He had 2 women that may have become pregnate. Still is against using protection. I think people have their strengths, varing degrees, to endure what life's problems happen. I certainly have mine. I'm on disabilty these past 12 years and live on less than $1,000/ month. Family have'nt offered me any assistance. This home is going to be foreclosed this spring. Yet I still hang onto life. I believe I know hardships. I was a caretaker for my mother for over a year. Her health rapidly declining, along with my health issues and nearby family did nothing to help. I was so worn out that visiting nurses seen my lack of sleep to the point I could no longer be a caretaker, so they removed her from home into a facility for hospice. My mother wanted yo die at home. Had I the help from family, she could have died at home. Her and my income allowed for us to live in this home 42 yrs. My mother reassurred me that one of my brothers would take me in their home. Did' nt happen. Now I face homelessness. I'm single, quiet,don't smoke, no drugs-except pain prescription and no help from family that have ample room for me. I prayed, do my best to lead a decent life. Nothing happening for me. Yet I still struggle to live in the face of difficulties.
danclark

Baltimore, MD

#11 Jan 28, 2013
Phil the Grillmaster wrote:
If believing in fairy tales is your only reason to not commit suicide, than you might as well do it.
I tried religion as far back as I can remember. Nothing came of it. That GOD only gives out hardships that we can take. Well, obviously some could'nt take what life threw at them so I doubt that saying. I prayed many years for help and nothing happened. When I said that to the " religiously inclined" I was told I'm not praying correctly or that I expect much out of life! All I asked for was just some kind of humble living that I have a home or small apartment, just enough income to survive. Those religious people day I ask. For too much, all the while they are not struggling with their well-to-do lives. So I no longer follow any religion.

“Mrs_E”

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#12 Jan 28, 2013
danclark wrote:
<quoted text> I hear that sin is sin, none greater than another sin. If true, than suicide is equal to anyother sin we all do. Surely GOD would understand when a person is at that point and provide somekind of relief. I had a friend back in 1979 that did suicide. He got great grades in school, but grades began to decline. He got into drugs. He knew his father was strict. When his father found out about drug use, he killed himself. Now I have this other friend that got cylhmidia by unprotected sex. Before he knew what he had, claimed he would do suicide if he had AIDS. He also told me he nearly did suicide when his mother brought home a man. His father died of an anryism. So he was against her dating. He had 2 women that may have become pregnate. Still is against using protection. I think people have their strengths, varing degrees, to endure what life's problems happen. I certainly have mine. I'm on disabilty these past 12 years and live on less than $1,000/ month. Family have'nt offered me any assistance. This home is going to be foreclosed this spring. Yet I still hang onto life. I believe I know hardships. I was a caretaker for my mother for over a year. Her health rapidly declining, along with my health issues and nearby family did nothing to help. I was so worn out that visiting nurses seen my lack of sleep to the point I could no longer be a caretaker, so they removed her from home into a facility for hospice. My mother wanted yo die at home. Had I the help from family, she could have died at home. Her and my income allowed for us to live in this home 42 yrs. My mother reassurred me that one of my brothers would take me in their home. Did' nt happen. Now I face homelessness. I'm single, quiet,don't smoke, no drugs-except pain prescription and no help from family that have ample room for me. I prayed, do my best to lead a decent life. Nothing happening for me. Yet I still struggle to live in the face of difficulties.
There but by the grace of god go I. I believe in GOD , over the years I believe less and less in religion and mans perception, including the bible.. you told two different stories regarding suicide.. the one who took his life, has endured as much pain as he felt he could tolerate.. a loving god is not going to condemm him to more torment.. however the second friend,, most of his issue already brought on by selfishness.. dunno bout him :) its all about intent and the heart I guess.
your story is tagic, many go through what you have faced, at the end of the day we can only count on ourselves.. good luck and prayers to you... and keep on keepin on!!
:)

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Since: Jan 10

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#13 Jan 28, 2013
danclark wrote:
<quoted text> I hear that sin is sin, none greater than another sin. If true, than suicide is equal to anyother sin we all do. Surely GOD would understand when a person is at that point and provide somekind of relief. I had a friend back in 1979 that did suicide. He got great grades in school, but grades began to decline. He got into drugs. He knew his father was strict. When his father found out about drug use, he killed himself. Now I have this other friend that got cylhmidia by unprotected sex. Before he knew what he had, claimed he would do suicide if he had AIDS. He also told me he nearly did suicide when his mother brought home a man. His father died of an anryism. So he was against her dating. He had 2 women that may have become pregnate. Still is against using protection. I think people have their strengths, varing degrees, to endure what life's problems happen. I certainly have mine. I'm on disabilty these past 12 years and live on less than $1,000/ month. Family have'nt offered me any assistance. This home is going to be foreclosed this spring. Yet I still hang onto life. I believe I know hardships. I was a caretaker for my mother for over a year. Her health rapidly declining, along with my health issues and nearby family did nothing to help. I was so worn out that visiting nurses seen my lack of sleep to the point I could no longer be a caretaker, so they removed her from home into a facility for hospice. My mother wanted yo die at home. Had I the help from family, she could have died at home. Her and my income allowed for us to live in this home 42 yrs. My mother reassurred me that one of my brothers would take me in their home. Did' nt happen. Now I face homelessness. I'm single, quiet,don't smoke, no drugs-except pain prescription and no help from family that have ample room for me. I prayed, do my best to lead a decent life. Nothing happening for me. Yet I still struggle to live in the face of difficulties.
Have you thought about sharing your home
with another person or two?
Offer room and board for the income
you lost when your mom passed.
You could save the house and perhaps
find a companion who could end up being a lifetime friend.

If I were you , I would contact some local churches, synagogs maybe the community outreach or Lions Club and let it be known you are looking for a person around your age who may have similar circumstances.

Another thought....You are probably eligible for rental assistance in a low cost handicapped accessible apartment.
You could rent out the house to own; or make payments and save it from foreclosure.

Your situation tugs at my heart,
as I've been there, in life,
where you are right now.

<3's and best wishes to you.
60s chic

Bethlehem, PA

#14 Jan 28, 2013
As far as religion goes, I don't make personal judgements. I don't feel its my right to do so, and I have compassion for anyone who is suffering and in so much misery that they would want to take their own life. Fortunately I have never been in such a position, and for that reason alone, I won't judge. How can any of us know who or how someone may be suffering inside or what problems they may have. Some of us are stronger then others. Some people haven't learned how to handle some of life's difficult problems. They may have come from abusive or dysfunctional homes. There are many reasons behind a person's misery. Maybe some have created that misery for themselves, but even they may not understand why. It's a complicated harsh world. It's not easy to understand the ifs and whys of everything in life. Sometimes people who are suicidal, end up killing others instead. To me, that is the ultimate in selfishness and evil.

“I call it as I see it.”

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Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#15 Jan 28, 2013
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
danclark

Baltimore, MD

#16 Jan 28, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>
There but by the grace of god go I. I believe in GOD , over the years I believe less and less in religion and mans perception, including the bible.. you told two different stories regarding suicide.. the one who took his life, has endured as much pain as he felt he could tolerate.. a loving god is not going to condemm him to more torment.. however the second friend,, most of his issue already brought on by selfishness.. dunno bout him :) its all about intent and the heart I guess.
your story is tagic, many go through what you have faced, at the end of the day we can only count on ourselves.. good luck and prayers to you... and keep on keepin on!!
:)
Like you, I at least hope there is a god. Who would'nt want to go to a paradise for eternity. Without following any religion has nothing to do with beleving in god, for me anyway, it's about sometype of interaction between God and I. So,I go with the possibility that God exsists. The most compelling evidence of exsistance beyond the physical are those who were clinically dead, resusitated and can tell what transpired in the emergency room.
danclark

Baltimore, MD

#17 Jan 28, 2013
TenderTink wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you thought about sharing your home
with another person or two?
Offer room and board for the income
you lost when your mom passed.
You could save the house and perhaps
find a companion who could end up being a lifetime friend.
If I were you , I would contact some local churches, synagogs maybe the community outreach or Lions Club and let it be known you are looking for a person around your age who may have similar circumstances.
Another thought....You are probably eligible for rental assistance in a low cost handicapped accessible apartment.
You could rent out the house to own; or make payments and save it from foreclosure.
Your situation tugs at my heart,
as I've been there, in life,
where you are right now.
<3's and best wishes to you.
Yes I have thought about sharing this home. But it's not my house. My mother had to do a reverse mortgage. My name was never on the deed. I have no legal rights to take in a renter/border. I contacted various agencies-lawyers-state human services-hud. All told me they can't help. I'm still in this home, 41yrs. here. Have family but have'nt offered me shelter. I really don't know why. When I mention about it to aqauitences, they say family members moving in with other family members not a good idea. Yet I read about people doing that during these tough financial times. I tried contacting the reverse mortgage copany by phone+mail. No response. I just can't inderstand so many "roadblocks". Something on the news about helping those facing foreclosure, but still, not being named on the deed or hier prevents help from agencies. Pay-scale housing has a waiting list about 5yrs. I don't have the luxury to wait that long. My younger brother has had built in his basement for his oldest son (now moved out) with a separate entrance, also has a half bath next to this basement room, has'nt offerred me it. On top of that he tried to sell the home I'm in! Because our mother got all the bank investment and some owed, the realestate agent said iy was'nt worth her effort to sell it. That's the only reason I'm still in it. So now I'm here till it is taken by the bank.
danclark

Baltimore, MD

#18 Jan 28, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>
There but by the grace of god go I. I believe in GOD , over the years I believe less and less in religion and mans perception, including the bible.. you told two different stories regarding suicide.. the one who took his life, has endured as much pain as he felt he could tolerate.. a loving god is not going to condemm him to more torment.. however the second friend,, most of his issue already brought on by selfishness.. dunno bout him :) its all about intent and the heart I guess.
your story is tagic, many go through what you have faced, at the end of the day we can only count on ourselves.. good luck and prayers to you... and keep on keepin on!!
:)
I also think that a loving God would'nt have his children tormented eternally. How short our existances are, be it sin/mistakes to gain enough wisdom, compared to Gods, to be tormented for eternity. What could we do in this short life to earn such punishment? What parent would punish their children for the rest of their lives when their children disobeyed?

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#19 Jan 29, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Yay! Look ma! It's Obvious-Man!

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#20 Jan 30, 2013
danclark wrote:
<quoted text> Yes I have thought about sharing this home. But it's not my house. My mother had to do a reverse mortgage. My name was never on the deed. I have no legal rights to take in a renter/border. I contacted various agencies-lawyers-state human services-hud. All told me they can't help. I'm still in this home, 41yrs. here. Have family but have'nt offered me shelter. I really don't know why. When I mention about it to aqauitences, they say family members moving in with other family members not a good idea. Yet I read about people doing that during these tough financial times. I tried contacting the reverse mortgage copany by phone+mail. No response. I just can't inderstand so many "roadblocks". Something on the news about helping those facing foreclosure, but still, not being named on the deed or hier prevents help from agencies. Pay-scale housing has a waiting list about 5yrs. I don't have the luxury to wait that long. My younger brother has had built in his basement for his oldest son (now moved out) with a separate entrance, also has a half bath next to this basement room, has'nt offerred me it. On top of that he tried to sell the home I'm in! Because our mother got all the bank investment and some owed, the realestate agent said iy was'nt worth her effort to sell it. That's the only reason I'm still in it. So now I'm here till it is taken by the bank.
Good morning Dan,
You have been heavy on my mind;
Having thought about you and this post for the past 72 hours.
There is more than the loss of your home going on here.
You are finding too many reasons to give up.

Depression and Grief are insidiousness things.
They can sneak into a person's psych and settle in comfortably without that person being aware of anything being wrong or different.
The only clues could be pervasive sadness or a bottomless feeling of despair.

I strongly encourage you to speak to your Dr.,
who is prescribing pain med.s,
about your home situation, your emotions
and frustrations about it all.

With that aside, there is no reason you can not be considered a permanent resident in your home of 41 years.
If family or the bank is telling you other wise, I assure you they are mistaken or out right lying to you.

Foreclosure is one thing; eviction is another....
I'd dare say you have squatters rights to live there
if nothing else!

Who is getting the mail and or notices, concerning this foreclosure?
If it is not coming to the house addressed
to you, or Mom, why not?
If your brother took over the note,
and he is letting the house go, that is very wrong,
and you have several recourse's available.

If you answer this post, I will reply to you.
Tink cares about you, and obviously several
other posters here do also.

Do not be discouraged if we can not get back quickly,
we all have different life events
and schedule's to deal with too.

Thank you for sharing your story with us
and opening yourself to the possibility
of an alternate solution.
That means so much to me.

I look forward to your next post.
Hugs and best wishes.
:-)
He who knows

Cicero, IL

#21 Jan 30, 2013
Ditto! Suicide is a permanent (and negative) solution to a temporary problem1

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