Should the legal drinking age be lowe...

Should the legal drinking age be lowered to 18?

Created by flbadcatowner on May 10, 2013

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#298 Jun 2, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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I dunno where you grew up and in what generation, but half my high school class went out and partied every weekend by say Sophomore or Junior year and and unless you were someone who just wasn't interested in that scene (and there are some kids like that, but they aren't going to be in that scene regardless of what the drinking age is), and certainly by 18 it was no problem to get beer if you were interested in that and sought it out.
I grew up a little faster and started partying when I was 14 only because I had two brothers who were 2 and 3 years older than me, and they took me out with them and their friends. Even if there was not a party with some kegs, and a lot of weekend nights there was (word travels fast), in our circle of friends, there were a couple of guys who had brothers who were 21 and one guy who was good buddies with my one good friend who was 21 and we would have them get us beer and give them maybe an extra $5 for their trouble. Same with a lot of guys I knew.
A few times I remember running out of beer and not being able to find someone later at night, but if we planned a head it was never a problem.
By the time I was 18 and in college it was just as easy. Then when I was 18 i used my bros ID to get in bars (eventually lost that) and had a fake ID that said I was from Wyoming.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
Pretty much the only thing that would have stopped me would have been my parents, but I was the last of 5 kids and they were pretty hands off with me (I think they were burned out). My oldest siblings had a much tougher time than me, but even though I had a lot of freedom, I think I handled it pretty well.
My wife on the other hand was more like you and she didn't hang in that circle. I don't think she ever had a drop of alcohol until we started dating when she was 16 and I took her to some parties with me. Had she not dated me would not have even known where to start if she wanted a drink (she wasn't really interested in it ... I corrupted her, lol).
My boys will not have that much freedom as I had. I can tell ya that much. That is parenting, tho, not the law.
When I graduated from HS in 1967, drug use and availability was next to nothing among most of the students as there was a general attitude of considering drug use as low class. The next year, drug use became more fashionable with the Billboard charts seeing an increase in drug related songs and drug themed LPs. By the fall of 1968, drug use was rampant, thanks in part to all the psychedelic music that was so prevalent on the airwaves. When I was a teen, most of those who drank kept quiet about it and I suspect that only a small minority were regular weekend drinkers We never had drinking parties in my neighborhood while I was still in High School and I never heard much about anybody in the entire township sponsoring booze parties.

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#300 Jun 2, 2013
tallyho wrote:
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interesting hope you allow your children to do what they want ..to hell with the law .... you have a lawyer on retainer
LOL. I personally think it is more of a parental matter than a law matter. I generally frown upon nanny state b.s. I think most European nations have a similar mentality. I think if our culture were a little bit different and responsible drinking at home was the norm, I might feel different. The way I grew up it was more like that movie Project X.

I just think it's not very safe the way I grew up ... drinking and driving was the norm. We were out in the sticks and took back roads as much as possible, but still, it's not safe. I was involved in an accident (I actually let my friend drive my car because he wasn't drinking and he ended up wrecking it and one of the guys in the car broke his leg (my wife's cousin ... this was before we were dating or I even knew who she was, lol) and my bros ended up getting in a wreck one night when one of their buddies was driving drunk. No one I know actually died drinking and driving, tho, but that's just luck.

It was a helluva good time and I'm glad I had that freedom, but things could have turned out badly, and as a parent, I have a different perspective.

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#301 Jun 2, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>When I graduated from HS in 1967, drug use and availability was next to nothing among most of the students as there was a general attitude of considering drug use as low class. The next year, drug use became more fashionable with the Billboard charts seeing an increase in drug related songs and drug themed LPs. By the fall of 1968, drug use was rampant, thanks in part to all the psychedelic music that was so prevalent on the airwaves. When I was a teen, most of those who drank kept quiet about it and I suspect that only a small minority were regular weekend drinkers We never had drinking parties in my neighborhood while I was still in High School and I never heard much about anybody in the entire township sponsoring booze parties.
If you wanted it, we had access to drugs (coke, acid, weed, crack (a few acquitences of mine got into that bad ... I was like dude, f'ing crack, wtf is wrong with these idiots), shrooms) and alcohol. Drugs were not always available because of supplies and whether the dealers had any on hand at any given moment, but the grocery or liquor store never ran out of alcohol.

I've never really been into hard drugs and I didn't even smoke weed in high school, except maybe twice, but that's just because i didn't want to. A lot in my circle did.

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#302 Jun 2, 2013
Some of my friends parents did not care if kids drank at their house. That is something I took advantage of as a youth, but do not understand from a legal perspective. My one friends, parents even built a fence around their house, with a gate and they would not let the cops on their property if they came.

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#303 Jun 2, 2013
harley-hunni wrote:
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Would one of those states be Georgia?? Because that would explain it.
You probably need to google some facts before making stupid comments.

I find it funny because I live in GA, you think that explains what exactly? A greater number of DUI's? This isn't the first post of yours trying to throw GA under the bus as being backwoods, uneducated, and of course now we are all a bunch of drunks .... phffft!

http://www.statisticbrain.com/number-of-dui-a...

California had over 200,000 while GA had 25,000. But then again California has a greater number of people.
Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, Tennessee, Washington, and Wisconsin all have higher DUI's and about the same number of people. That chart is 5 years old but I assume that the ratio hasn't changed that much.
Just because I live in GA doesn't make it the worst state in the US. GA is beautiful, with fabulous weather, good people, and we are just about average on everything else.
Grow up ..... you make a big fancy apology on another thread and then continue to make snide remarks toward me. It only proves your ignorance and is great entertainment for me.
Thanks for the laugh.

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#304 Jun 2, 2013
Why?

Is drinking yourself to death a passage of adult life?

Just asking.

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#307 Jun 2, 2013
DC tells it like it is wrote:
Why?
Is drinking yourself to death a passage of adult life?
Just asking.
There's no need to judge ... different strokes for different folks.

I dunno where you got the death part from. I didn't die and no one I knew died from drinking. Most everyone I know turned out fine and many of us became quiet successful.

It's just what my group of friends did. There wasn't much else to do on a weekend. Were we supposed to sit around and have milk and cookies? While not everyone liked to do that, a lot of us liked to party and so did a lot of the girls, which you are kinda all about at that age... It was the way we socialized on the weekend.

College was even worse ... we probably drank on average 5-6 nights a week.

I don't think most folks I know from back then drink that regularly anymore (I sure don't), but I hang with a lot of folks in their mid 30s-40s who like to go out and tear it up every now and then and most of my friends from back in those days are no different (I still keep in contact with a lot of them).

A group of us (10-15 of us) are going to a beer fest (hundreds and hundreds of different beers from all over the country and thousands of people) in a few weeks ... we are taking cabs, gonna get lit, have a blast (it's so funny cause you get one glass that is maybe 3 or four ounces ... when folks drop them everyone yells OOOOOOOOOOH ... at first you might here one crash to the ground every 15 minutes or half hour, but as the afternoon goes on and people get drunk, they are crashing to the ground like every minute towards teh end and thousands of people yell OOOOOOOOH, every single time, lol), then going out for dinner, then a lot of them are coming back to my place to hang and everyone is welcome to crash at my place. It's a damn good time.

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#308 Jun 2, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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LOL. I personally think it is more of a parental matter than a law matter. I generally frown upon nanny state b.s. I think most European nations have a similar mentality. I think if our culture were a little bit different and responsible drinking at home was the norm, I might feel different. The way I grew up it was more like that movie Project X.
I just think it's not very safe the way I grew up ... drinking and driving was the norm. We were out in the sticks and took back roads as much as possible, but still, it's not safe. I was involved in an accident (I actually let my friend drive my car because he wasn't drinking and he ended up wrecking it and one of the guys in the car broke his leg (my wife's cousin ... this was before we were dating or I even knew who she was, lol) and my bros ended up getting in a wreck one night when one of their buddies was driving drunk. No one I know actually died drinking and driving, tho, but that's just luck.
It was a helluva good time and I'm glad I had that freedom, but things could have turned out badly, and as a parent, I have a different perspective.
read the law.. every state in this union.... states to be 21 of age ... to purchase and consume alcohol... in your home it is your right as a parent... I say you go ahead hand them the car keys and when they kill someone and are in prison you can write them and tell them how much fun it was ....in your day

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#309 Jun 2, 2013
I can see that we are blaming the children , not the child's fault just a few breeders , as parents they fail ...

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#312 Jun 2, 2013
Bad Bex wrote:
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You probably need to google some facts before making stupid comments.
I find it funny because I live in GA, you think that explains what exactly? A greater number of DUI's? This isn't the first post of yours trying to throw GA under the bus as being backwoods, uneducated, and of course now we are all a bunch of drunks .... phffft!
http://www.statisticbrain.com/number-of-dui-a...
California had over 200,000 while GA had 25,000. But then again California has a greater number of people.
Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, Tennessee, Washington, and Wisconsin all have higher DUI's and about the same number of people. That chart is 5 years old but I assume that the ratio hasn't changed that much.
Just because I live in GA doesn't make it the worst state in the US. GA is beautiful, with fabulous weather, good people, and we are just about average on everything else.
Grow up ..... you make a big fancy apology on another thread and then continue to make snide remarks toward me. It only proves your ignorance and is great entertainment for me.
Thanks for the laugh.
I suppose you and your troll troupe never made posts of this nature in the past (like hell). It is not that I agree with or condone HH's post, rather it was your hypocrisy.

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#313 Jun 2, 2013
tallyho wrote:
I can see that we are blaming the children , not the child's fault just a few breeders , as parents they fail ...
If the parents at least make an honest attempt to discourage drinking including not allowing it to be served to minors under any circumstances, then at least they can't be blamed if their children find a way to get alcohol.

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#314 Jun 2, 2013
tallyho wrote:
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read the law.. every state in this union.... states to be 21 of age ... to purchase and consume alcohol... in your home it is your right as a parent... I say you go ahead hand them the car keys and when they kill someone and are in prison you can write them and tell them how much fun it was ....in your day
LOL. Aw, someone is butt hurt. What part of, I won't allow my kids to do what I did as a youth did you not understand?? You keep wanting to make an issue of something that doesn't exist.

It's also not legal in every state to allow your child to drink in your home, ignoramus. Probably not a good idea to be shooting your mouth off about what is legal and not legal, when you don't even know what the f' you are talking about... Do you always give poor legal advice or just on here???

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#315 Jun 2, 2013
tallyho wrote:
I can see that we are blaming the children , not the child's fault just a few breeders , as parents they fail ...
You need to visit www.rif.org .

That's pretty much what I said ... it's my job as a parent, because laws such as this are not very effective and laws or now laws, if left to their own devices a lot of teenagers are going to drink.

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#316 Jun 2, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>If the parents at least make an honest attempt to discourage drinking including not allowing it to be served to minors under any circumstances, then at least they can't be blamed if their children find a way to get alcohol.
It takes more than that. You really need to be an involved parent. My kids are screwed because I know all the tricks.

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#317 Jun 2, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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LOL. Aw, someone is butt hurt. What part of, I won't allow my kids to do what I did as a youth did you not understand?? You keep wanting to make an issue of something that doesn't exist.
It's also not legal in every state to allow your child to drink in your home, ignoramus. Probably not a good idea to be shooting your mouth off about what is legal and not legal, when you don't even know what the f' you are talking about... Do you always give poor legal advice or just on here???
helps if you could read .. I said in every state of this union the legal drinking age is 21 what happens in the parents home is up to them

no specific parent or house or state just a general statement ... in the parents home

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#318 Jun 2, 2013
Thorn_in_flesh wrote:
If you're posting stupid remarks that make no sense, you must be Ferrerman!
lol

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#319 Jun 2, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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It takes more than that. You really need to be an involved parent. My kids are screwed because I know all the tricks.
so you are saying your parents were dumb because you did it.. and now you know everything.....

your words cowboy..........
it was a helluva good time and I'm glad I had that freedom, but things could have turned out badly, and as a parent, I have a different perspective.

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#320 Jun 2, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I suppose you and your troll troupe never made posts of this nature in the past (like hell). It is not that I agree with or condone HH's post, rather it was your hypocrisy.
Grow up, I certainly don't condemn all of Canada because they have her as a citizen.
All places in the world harbor idiots. Canada just owns the biggest one.
You can defend her all day, seems to me that will be a full time job. It's certainly OK in your eyes for her to make snotty comments but no one else can ..... are you really that naive?

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#321 Jun 2, 2013
tallyho wrote:
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helps if you could read .. I said in every state of this union the legal drinking age is 21 what happens in the parents home is up to them
no specific parent or house or state just a general statement ... in the parents home
I can read just fine.

You said "read the law.. every state in this union.... states to be 21 of age ... to purchase and consume alcohol... in your home it is your right as a parent..."

So, you prefaced your statement by the fact that in every state in the union you need to be the age of 21 but then contrasted that general rule in every state with your erroneous belief that it was the right of parent to allow their child to drink in their home, which is not true in a number of states you were talking about.

A number of states make no distinction in terms of where someone under 21 is drinking and in those states, if you let your child drink while under the age of 21 in your home, both you as a parent and your child could be charged with a crime if you do so.

Point is, before you lecture me about what the law is (and thanks for telling me that it's not legal to drink when you are under 21 ... maybe next you can try to impress yourself by telling me the earth revolves around the sun), you might want to make sure you actually know what the law is.

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#322 Jun 2, 2013
tallyho wrote:
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so you are saying your parents were dumb because you did it.. and now you know everything.....
I never said I knew everything ... we are talking about allowing our kids to drink. You really need to work on your reading comprehension...

I would say that was poor parenting on their part, and I do not plan on making the same mistake. Does that bother you?

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