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Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#1 Dec 16, 2013
Shouldn't "WE" be asking who wrote Obamacare and what they had in mind when they wrote into law all these things that are now changing all insurance programs?
Does Obama have any idea who wrote the bill?
Pelosi was so sure of it she wanted it passed before anyone read it, sneaked it thru without republicans even seeing it.
Has it been an "Underhanded" thing from the *get-go*?
And how much -worse- will it get?
It's never been explained why any of is better than what we had,
Just shoved at "US" and we're ask to swallow it.
That seems alittle bassackwards to me!

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#2 Dec 16, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
It's never been explained why any of is better than what we had,
Just shoved at "US" and we're ask to swallow it.
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HH, you've not been paying attention again. It's been explained, ad nauseum. The US lags behind most developed countries in a number of categories like infant mortality and lifespan in no small part because the poorest in our nation cannot get adequate healthcare. The system was broke. While I'm not a fan of the ACA, I do think it's a step in the right direction.

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Level 9

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#3 Dec 16, 2013
EraserX wrote:
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HH, you've not been paying attention again. It's been explained, ad nauseum. The US lags behind most developed countries in a number of categories like infant mortality and lifespan in no small part because the poorest in our nation cannot get adequate healthcare. The system was broke. While I'm not a fan of the ACA, I do think it's a step in the right direction.
How is people losing their health insurance a step in the right direction?

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#5 Dec 16, 2013
dragoon70056 wrote:
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How is people losing their health insurance a step in the right direction?
:D

No one has lost their insurance. They've just had to CHANGE it. The overall is a net gain - more people are insured than ever. You and I are not having to shoulder the burden of uninsured running up emergency room bills...

Again, I'm not saying I'm a fan - they should have taken business out of the loop entirely and forced insurance companies to compete for individuals. OR gone to single payer.

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#6 Dec 16, 2013
Hey hh and dragoon..

Dragoon first;). Cuz he needs less babysitting! Tehehe. The only policy being canceled are ones that are now illegal under the aha. But no worries Obama gave them an extra year to get it straight and bring it up to code. ;).

K hh hum. Idk ahc put some extra regulations on the ins company's in the better interest of its customers. It's better for us for someone to get a check on those insurance companies don't ya think!!

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#7 Dec 16, 2013
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>It absolutely IS a step in the right direction! Look at the boneheads who want to repeal it. They offer NO Plan B. All they want to do is go back to the same BS system where tens of millions were denied care and even coverage. The best they have come up with is "selling insurance across state lines"! Oh- that'll solve everything....
Bingo.

It'd be easier to give their criticisms more credence if they had an actual plan to replace it with. And anyone being objective and honest would quickly note that the old 'system' was severely sprained.

I am though tired of solutions that merely scab on to existing architecture. I'd have preferred a fresh start on this one.

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

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Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#8 Dec 16, 2013
EraserX wrote:
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:D
No one has lost their insurance. They've just had to CHANGE it. The overall is a net gain - more people are insured than ever. You and I are not having to shoulder the burden of uninsured running up emergency room bills...
Again, I'm not saying I'm a fan - they should have taken business out of the loop entirely and forced insurance companies to compete for individuals. OR gone to single payer.
In many cases, they've had to get new policies at a much higher cost.

As far as not shouldering the burden of uninsured, that is an incorrect misconception. We still shoulder the burden with tax-payer subsidies and still pay the portion that insurance doesn't cover.

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Level 9

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#9 Dec 16, 2013
Lylah wrote:
Hey hh and dragoon..
Dragoon first;). Cuz he needs less babysitting! Tehehe. The only policy being canceled are ones that are now illegal under the aha. But no worries Obama gave them an extra year to get it straight and bring it up to code. ;).
K hh hum. Idk ahc put some extra regulations on the ins company's in the better interest of its customers. It's better for us for someone to get a check on those insurance companies don't ya think!!
Hi ya Eyelah.

I would address your take, but there's no hope for Obama apologists :)

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Level 9

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#10 Dec 16, 2013
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>It absolutely IS a step in the right direction! Look at the boneheads who want to repeal it. They offer NO Plan B. All they want to do is go back to the same BS system where tens of millions were denied care and even coverage. The best they have come up with is "selling insurance across state lines"! Oh- that'll solve everything....
NO plan is better than the liberal plan.

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#11 Dec 16, 2013
Mandatory socialized health care is a basic human right don't ya think? Just take a look at how successful these programs have been throughout the world...hmmm to not have that here is a bit of a shortcut to thinking I suppose. At least our president has taken the proper initiative to set us on the course to real change just as he promised give thanks!

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#12 Dec 16, 2013
dragoon70056 wrote:
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In many cases, they've had to get new policies at a much higher cost.
As far as not shouldering the burden of uninsured, that is an incorrect misconception. We still shoulder the burden with tax-payer subsidies and still pay the portion that insurance doesn't cover.
And others have found cheaper policies. And many are being carried longer on their parents plan. And won't it be nice to not deal with the joke that is COBRA and pre-existing conditions?

Personally, I know a 60+ year old man with a heart condition who is bemoaning his insurance increase, claiming he only paid $120 a month for his insurance. These are the type of folks who are being so vocal about losing their plans. There's likely more to the story in many instances.

:D But it's a more open way of doing it, right? Or did you prefer the method hospitals used prior to help balance their books? LOL You do have a point though - if government is subsidizing some of the premiums they might as well do them all.

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#13 Dec 16, 2013
Lmao dragoon is that code for u have no retort. Just say so dragoon u kno ill still like ya.. N I will respond to one of ur other post to. Just to straighten ya out ;)
It is a myth that insurance is increasing outrageous amounts. Manufactured stories to feed to the non thinkers. That way it gets yall all stirred up talking hate n all. Plus if it does increase some I bet its in the profit column instead of the cost column.

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#14 Dec 16, 2013
Lylah wrote:
Lmao dragoon is that code for u have no retort. Just say so dragoon u kno ill still like ya.. N I will respond to one of ur other post to. Just to straighten ya out ;)
It is a myth that insurance is increasing outrageous amounts. Manufactured stories to feed to the non thinkers. That way it gets yall all stirred up talking hate n all. Plus if it does increase some I bet its in the profit column instead of the cost column.
It's like the welfare argument: everyone knows welfare is bad because there's this one guy who drives a new Cadillac and lives in assisted housing. Or food stamps...

I do expect there is some legitimate hardships though. The way this thing is cobbled together, you KNOW someone is getting shafted on it. But, overall, it's going to be a good thing.

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#15 Dec 16, 2013
Rockinjake wrote:
Mandatory socialized health care is a basic human right don't ya think? Just take a look at how successful these programs have been throughout the world...hmmm to not have that here is a bit of a shortcut to thinking I suppose. At least our president has taken the proper initiative to set us on the course to real change just as he promised give thanks!
It pains those that realize they are on the wrong side of history. Just like those that thought giving women the right to vote was the end of this democracy... LOL

I don't know if I'd go so far as stating that it's a basic human right but it IS a noble goal and one I think this nation should be brave and bold enough to achieve.

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#16 Dec 16, 2013
Taking away our rights ...little by little.

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#17 Dec 16, 2013
honeymylove wrote:
Taking away our rights ...little by little.
*laugh*

You have GOT to be kidding me.

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#18 Dec 16, 2013
Eraser x imo it is a great thing that healthcare will no longer be a luxury that only some can afford.

Lol @ the women voting...end of democracy. Ha I bet these same ahc haters would be believing and spewing that smack too. Lmao ;)

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#19 Dec 16, 2013
honeymylove wrote:
Taking away our rights ...little by little.
Hunny the only way for us to be safe and secure is for everyone to trade some liberty for security. Without us willing to accept this nesessity could mean impending doom...hel we could wake up to a mushroom cloud one day or become infected with a militarized strain of chicken flu! Our founding fathers would have indeed adapted to modern threats for issues such as terrorism. The entire bill of rights should be rewritten. It is long outdated.without the surveillance grid we certainly would have suffered many repeated attacks on our homeland by now.

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Level 9

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#20 Dec 16, 2013
Lylah wrote:
Lmao dragoon is that code for u have no retort. Just say so dragoon u kno ill still like ya.. N I will respond to one of ur other post to. Just to straighten ya out ;)
It is a myth that insurance is increasing outrageous amounts. Manufactured stories to feed to the non thinkers. That way it gets yall all stirred up talking hate n all. Plus if it does increase some I bet its in the profit column instead of the cost column.
LoL. You no me better than that. I always have a retort. Sometimes, though, it's just not worth the effort to type it :)

“Will cause trouble when bored”

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#21 Dec 16, 2013
Ha ha dragoon u either agree with me or retort damit

Cuz my post was good enough to reply that u weren't going to retort for the second time in an hour. Lol.

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