Strange & Unusual - Anti-Mormon DVD Given to 18,000 Homes

By Jim Walsh The Arizona Republic MESA, AZ -- A ministry opposed to Mormonism distributed 18,000 copies of a DVD to homes across the state on Sunday as part of a nationwide effort to persuade members to leave ... Full Story
Great Danee

Bountiful, UT

#556 Feb 2, 2013
danclark wrote:
Mormons tell me god has a body that is perfect and will renew ours during the resserection. They also talk about the spirit that god consists of. So, which is it? Physical or spritual?
In Mormonism God has a body, a spirit in his body, and an omnipresent force. He has all three. After all he is God. Why can't he have a body if he wants one? He could be a donut if he wanted to be one.
Great Danee

Bountiful, UT

#557 Feb 2, 2013
danclark, I am not sure you even know what a contradiction is. It comes from Aristotle. If A=b=c does not mean a=c because b can equal two different things. I can be both smart and cute. God can be a body and have a spirit. only if all c is b and all b is a can we deduce that all c is a. Aristotle's syllogism number one my friend.
Sheik Yerbouti

New Hope, PA

#558 Feb 2, 2013
They didn't have to produce a new video. All they had to do was distribute the South Park Mormon episode!
danclark

Newark, NJ

#559 Feb 2, 2013
Its been a month to the day since I seen thr missionaries. and there they were at mu door. Thid time 4 of them. I guess they're bringing out more "artillary"because they have'nt succeeded. I have kindly explained to them a month ago that my home will be gone, no where to go, have limlting physical endurances and just recovered from the flu (despite the innocculation in september), I had to walk a mile in this cold (have raynauds so I easily get hyperthermic just breathing cold air) and I got sick for a day, have only S.S
to live on-less than $1000/month. I ration my food every month to make it till next month, so they want me in church to pay 10% of what is already a struggle for me to have food! while they obviously doing well financially. I have to remain indoors being 28 out now. Basicly for me whatever yhe temps are for most people, one woild have to subtract 10. So if its 30 outside to you is 20 for me. I have 4 ailments all cause fatique. Being cordial to them seems to have no meaning. I really have NO intereds in religion. I don't want anyone knocking on the door. I'm a laidback type of person, keep to myself, don't join clubs, don't like to be among a lot of people, just the few I have is enough. They just don't listen. Too much "nose in the bible" to take into account those that tell them these difficulties. Thier one track mindset is all they pay mind to.
Mary

United States

#560 Feb 3, 2013
The church has been dealing with heresies,both from within and without,since it's inception. Joseph Smith must stand in line. The humanization of Jesus or the elevation of man seems to be the motivating factor-man enabling himself to rationalize God. Man elevating himself beyond what he is-God's creature. It's a tendency of man that will be ongoing into memorial. Because others have attempted is well documented but is hardly justification for such philosophies. I respect the human intellect and it's quest for knowledge and,hopefully,the truth-where faith and reason meet. That human beings cannot come to a consensus on the truth is clear evidence of the limitations of his reasoning,thus the need for faith and the safeguarding of the faith handed down by Christ apostles.
danclark

Baltimore, MD

#561 Feb 3, 2013
I don't view myself superior to others or the universe I dwell in. I enjoy exploring various possibilites of existance here and hopefully other levels of existance. I am aware of human limitations-physical and mentally. Be there a God or not, I live to discover what existance is all about and what in life there is to ecperience, learn from and grow from those endevours. I find evidence of continued exsistance beyond the physical body. Yet I still have to see something a bit more substanial to claim there is a god. Any religion to me is just nothing more than hearsay. I am open minded to the possibility of eternity. I cannot just go along with a belief just because a book or person says so.
60s chic

Bethlehem, PA

#562 Feb 3, 2013
William wrote:
Why does Robertson base his religion on tearing down others? Where are all the anti-baptists and the anti-lutherans and the anti-methodists? Why does Roberson presume that Mormons aren't familiar with their own doctrines and their own teachings? Maybe mormons are an easy target because they have actual writings by their leaders on gospel subjects that people can actually read. Let's see Roberson's creed stand up for nearing 200 years. I think that in 200 years, Robertson will just be another sound of tinkling brass in a forgotten, yet small ensemble of tiny brass cymbals.
Pat Robertson is an over inflated self aggrandizing opportunistic ultra-conservative old geezer.
danclark

Newark, NJ

#563 Feb 3, 2013
60s chic wrote:
<quoted text>
Pat Robertson is an over inflated self aggrandizing opportunistic ultra-conservative old geezer.
Amen to that!!( LOL!)
Great Dane

Bountiful, UT

#564 Feb 5, 2013
Mary wrote:
The church has been dealing with heresies,both from within and without,since it's inception. Joseph Smith must stand in line. The humanization of Jesus or the elevation of man seems to be the motivating factor-man enabling himself to rationalize God. Man elevating himself beyond what he is-God's creature. It's a tendency of man that will be ongoing into memorial. Because others have attempted is well documented but is hardly justification for such philosophies. I respect the human intellect and it's quest for knowledge and,hopefully,the truth-where faith and reason meet. That human beings cannot come to a consensus on the truth is clear evidence of the limitations of his reasoning,thus the need for faith and the safeguarding of the faith handed down by Christ apostles.
Mary, what in the world is "the continuous church?" Catholic doctrines are not in the New Testament and are different than Orthodox doctrines. Protestant doctrines do not exist until 1500 AD. Born again doctrine is not there until 1820 with John Darby? Where is this continuous church? It does not exist.
Great Dane

Bountiful, UT

#565 Feb 5, 2013
danclark wrote:
I don't view myself superior to others or the universe I dwell in. I enjoy exploring various possibilites of existance here and hopefully other levels of existance. I am aware of human limitations-physical and mentally. Be there a God or not, I live to discover what existance is all about and what in life there is to ecperience, learn from and grow from those endevours. I find evidence of continued exsistance beyond the physical body. Yet I still have to see something a bit more substanial to claim there is a god. Any religion to me is just nothing more than hearsay. I am open minded to the possibility of eternity. I cannot just go along with a belief just because a book or person says so.
I am also very poor. I am working part time but the Mormon Church is paying a lot of my bills. You might try going to the Mormon Church and seeing if they can help you financially. I have an atheist friend who got help from them. You need to go to the Mormon church to give it a fair shot. Missionaries after all are just 19 year old kids.
danclark

Washington, DC

#566 Feb 5, 2013
Great Dane wrote:
<quoted text>I am also very poor. I am working part time but the Mormon Church is paying a lot of my bills. You might try going to the Mormon Church and seeing if they can help you financially. I have an atheist friend who got help from them. You need to go to the Mormon church to give it a fair shot. Missionaries after all are just 19 year old kids.
I did mention in a previous post that I explained my financial status. Mormons offered nothing but prayer. I was a member of mormon church for 3months. So,yeah, I gave it a shot. That was in 1989. They were going to have me be a priest. At the time I was quite with being the "workhorse" for my aging parents and 2 elderly neighbors then my own job and errands/chores personal. I had not the time for anymore resposnibilities. I told them this. Still they would call on me to help church members. Plus my parents were not thrilled that I switched faiths. Caused many arguments. I told LDS not to call because of that-making my home life "hellish". Still they called. This time I said one more call and I'm out!. They called. Recently the missionaries came to my home for 3 months (now that both parents deceased) and as I explained my current situation, I get insulted. One of them said "I don't feel that the holy spirit is here!" Also saying to me "what is it you want-riches?". Now angry I said "No,just a moderate-humble existance" "that I prayed for just enough to survive". Well, according to the elders, I should'nt be asking for anything-just praise God. Reality is what I face and that is living on the streets while ailling with health issues and places I called can't help even though that is the reason those agencies are for. Just a bunch of P.R. to the voters. I always have helped people since age 6. Gave money to others and did without for myself. To this day I still do it with the miniscule money I have. I have $200 to streach till March. If I don't get that money repaid I"ll have nothing to eat.
danclark

Washington, DC

#567 Feb 5, 2013
I still search for God as I have since first grade (I began school with catholic) the nun had issues was abusive to the class. She struck all of us for doing no wrong! I came home with welts-bruises so my parents took me out and into public school. I was'nt the only one taken out of that school. The elders Promised IF I pray God will answer. I said I have prayed 50 yrs. Long before those elders were born. I received no answer from prayer-ever. Because I treat all with respect I have no problem for anyone following their faith. I would like that respect given me in return. Not some remark in my home that thr holy spirit is'nt present because of my worries! Way to go LDS to gain more members.
Mary

United States

#568 Feb 6, 2013
Don't we all have the responsibility to ourselves and to others to seek the truth,regardless of the experiences of our lives? To those who have experienced a great deal of disadvantage in life,I'm sure it's easier said than done. It seems to me that a great many people base their spiritual,moral belief system primarily on how others have affected them,especially their feelings,as opposed to an objective decision based on a faith's empirical teaching. If we base our spiritual,moral beliefs on how other humans affect us,I am certain we will remain dissolussioned with our inner selves.
danclark

Elizabeth, NJ

#569 Feb 6, 2013
Mary wrote:
Don't we all have the responsibility to ourselves and to others to seek the truth,regardless of the experiences of our lives? To those who have experienced a great deal of disadvantage in life,I'm sure it's easier said than done. It seems to me that a great many people base their spiritual,moral belief system primarily on how others have affected them,especially their feelings,as opposed to an objective decision based on a faith's empirical teaching. If we base our spiritual,moral beliefs on how other humans affect us,I am certain we will remain dissolussioned with our inner selves.
Sure we all have some level of responsibility to each other while living in a community. Even those who had more than their share of hardships have remained relatively content. I could be a bitter in attitude to all around me. I let elders into my home to listen dispite my doubts about religion. I would'nt do that had I been effected negitively by people. Remaining objective is the only reason why I keep an open mind to seeking God. I still listen to the woes of those more fortunate than I. Such as my neighbor. She has twice my income-a car-a home-better health and health coverage and she comes to me to voice her troubles. Would a bitter,angry person do that? She is'nt the only one either that come to me for counsil. None of them help me.
Great Dane

Bountiful, UT

#570 Feb 6, 2013
danclark wrote:
<quoted text> I did mention in a previous post that I explained my financial status. Mormons offered nothing but prayer. I was a member of mormon church for 3months. So,yeah, I gave it a shot. That was in 1989. They were going to have me be a priest. At the time I was quite with being the "workhorse" for my aging parents and 2 elderly neighbors then my own job and errands/chores personal. I had not the time for anymore resposnibilities. I told them this. Still they would call on me to help church members. Plus my parents were not thrilled that I switched faiths. Caused many arguments. I told LDS not to call because of that-making my home life "hellish". Still they called. This time I said one more call and I'm out!. They called. Recently the missionaries came to my home for 3 months (now that both parents deceased) and as I explained my current situation, I get insulted. One of them said "I don't feel that the holy spirit is here!" Also saying to me "what is it you want-riches?". Now angry I said "No,just a moderate-humble existance" "that I prayed for just enough to survive". Well, according to the elders, I should'nt be asking for anything-just praise God. Reality is what I face and that is living on the streets while ailling with health issues and places I called can't help even though that is the reason those agencies are for. Just a bunch of P.R. to the voters. I always have helped people since age 6. Gave money to others and did without for myself. To this day I still do it with the miniscule money I have. I have $200 to streach till March. If I don't get that money repaid I"ll have nothing to eat.
I am really sorry you had a bad experience. I have been in good wards and bad wards. I am in a good ward now. I think a lot of it has to do with how much money your ward is receiving from its members. I have a lot of experience and education, but I am still going through a rough time.
Great Dane

Bountiful, UT

#571 Feb 6, 2013
Mary wrote:
Don't we all have the responsibility to ourselves and to others to seek the truth,regardless of the experiences of our lives? To those who have experienced a great deal of disadvantage in life,I'm sure it's easier said than done. It seems to me that a great many people base their spiritual,moral belief system primarily on how others have affected them,especially their feelings,as opposed to an objective decision based on a faith's empirical teaching. If we base our spiritual,moral beliefs on how other humans affect us,I am certain we will remain dissolussioned with our inner selves.
I agree with you Mary, but I really do not think either one of us is objective.
Great Dane

Bountiful, UT

#572 Feb 6, 2013
danclark wrote:
<quoted text> Sure we all have some level of responsibility to each other while living in a community. Even those who had more than their share of hardships have remained relatively content. I could be a bitter in attitude to all around me. I let elders into my home to listen dispite my doubts about religion. I would'nt do that had I been effected negitively by people. Remaining objective is the only reason why I keep an open mind to seeking God. I still listen to the woes of those more fortunate than I. Such as my neighbor. She has twice my income-a car-a home-better health and health coverage and she comes to me to voice her troubles. Would a bitter,angry person do that? She is'nt the only one either that come to me for counsil. None of them help me.
If I had any money I would help you.
danclark

Baltimore, MD

#573 Feb 6, 2013
Great Dane wrote:
<quoted text>I am really sorry you had a bad experience. I have been in good wards and bad wards. I am in a good ward now. I think a lot of it has to do with how much money your ward is receiving from its members. I have a lot of experience and education, but I am stil l going through a rough time.
The ward I attended is in Delaware county about 12miles out of philadelphia. Broomall is the town. An affluent community. However the membership seems low maybe why not much help offered. Even the church I use to belong would'nt help either and all they wanted was contributions when my father died a third of household income gone.Who gave some help? The local firehouse with a large box of food. Never during my life did I get help from church. I also have a relative that is a priest-Fr.Brady. A cousin of my father. I dated a woman whose family heavily involved with church. I have tried 5 faiths. All I gained from that is distancing myself from organized religion and gone solo.
Great Dane

Bountiful, UT

#574 Feb 8, 2013
danclark wrote:
<quoted text>The ward I attended is in Delaware county about 12miles out of philadelphia. Broomall is the town. An affluent community. However the membership seems low maybe why not much help offered. Even the church I use to belong would'nt help either and all they wanted was contributions when my father died a third of household income gone.Who gave some help? The local firehouse with a large box of food. Never during my life did I get help from church. I also have a relative that is a priest-Fr.Brady. A cousin of my father. I dated a woman whose family heavily involved with church. I have tried 5 faiths. All I gained from that is distancing myself from organized religion and gone solo.
Being solo also has problems. I tried that and it did not work very well for me. Everybody's life is different. Keep me posted if you want. I live in Utah and so it is probably much easier to get help here.
danclark

Paterson, NJ

#575 Feb 8, 2013
Great Dane wrote:
<quoted text>Being solo also has problems. I tried that and it did not work very well for me. Everybody's life is different. Keep me posted if you want. I live in Utah and so it is probably much easier to get help here.
I am waiting for a set time given me when I have to vacate. That can be any day. I may get money to just give the keys and walk away, as told to me what usually happens. Possible I could relocate albeit barely enough to do so. It's my only shot. Early am hour my friend texted me that he was "kicked out" and he offered me to move in with his family (not an ideal situation) is now gone. So is an effiency apt. Where a store renter told me of an available apt in the back. He lost the buisness. However,going solo for my faith has been adequite. Going to church has never been beneficial. Solo has been more a peaceful for me
I gain tranquility for a short while where in church I never attained that state.

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