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#85 Feb 24, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no that is you making a fool of yourself taking about a book you haven't read.

you know nothing about it at all, yet you think you can comment on it..

yeah, pal you are a wiki scholar, allright, a two second google search and you are good to go an any subject...
I don't need to read a book to argue facts. Fact is there are no contemporary historical accounts of Jesus that describe him or his life.

Instead of your saying Sublime you are correct or sublime you are wrong and pointing me to one contemporary historical account of Jesus that describes him and his life, you have merely pointed out that a majority of biblical scholars hypothesize that the bible which contains a lot of fiction possibly includes two gospels that share a lot of quotes in common that supposedly were spoken by Jesus and that supposedly from an earlier book ... an earlier book that even if it did exist did not even discuss the historical Jesus or his life.

So at the end of the day you have nothing except possibly an earlier book of quotes ...

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#86 Feb 24, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>which god did i lie about? humans have created thousands of them...all proven false, to date...
so you lied about your home .... no wonder you don't use wiki , you can't understand it..I said a man period no one specific just a man

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#87 Feb 24, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>if you knew anything about it, you would also know actual historians also entertain the Q source concept..

but again, keep thinking you actually know what you are talking about...youhadn't even heard fo the Q source previous to this and now you feel you can talk about it with any credibility?

what a joke you are...
If you knew anything about history, you'd understand that to a serious historian, discussing the origin of the bible is like discussing the origin of 1001 Arabian nights. The origin if the bible has very little to do with who Jesus really was. It has so much fiction in it.

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#88 Feb 24, 2014
tallyho wrote:
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your GOD knows
Oh my GOD! Really? I just thought it was some guy who liked to wear bedsheets!

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#89 Feb 24, 2014
tallyho wrote:
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so you lied about your home .... no wonder you don't use wiki , you can't understand it..I said a man period no one specific just a man
no, no i didnt'.

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#90 Feb 24, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>but we do know what a messiah at that time was.(not the son of god, that would have been heretical to anyone of that era and faith...)
we do have historical records of the time...and most scholars agree that a lot of what the gospel writers said was recorded in a separate source lost to us now...the wordings and thought are too similar.
if this subject interests you, i would suggest reading a Reza Aslan's works..especially 'Zealot". it is loaded with source material of the history of that time... a great starting point for study.
you want me to believe him.......

challenged Aslan’s claims about his academic credentials (his 2009 PhD is in sociology and was awarded on the basis of a 140-page dissertation on contemporary Muslim political activism) and his academic position (he is an associate professor of creative writing at the University of California at Riverside and does not hold either a doctorate nor a teaching position in the academic study of religion).

repeat........(he is an associate professor of creative writing at the University of California at Riverside and does not hold either a doctorate nor a teaching position in the academic study of religion).

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#91 Feb 24, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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I don't need to read a book to argue facts. Fact is there are no contemporary historical accounts of Jesus that describe him or his life.
Instead of your saying Sublime you are correct or sublime you are wrong and pointing me to one contemporary historical account of Jesus that describes him and his life, you have merely pointed out that a majority of biblical scholars hypothesize that the bible which contains a lot of fiction possibly includes two gospels that share a lot of quotes in common that supposedly were spoken by Jesus and that supposedly from an earlier book ... an earlier book that even if it did exist did not even discuss the historical Jesus or his life.
So at the end of the day you have nothing except possibly an earlier book of quotes ...
no,there are not. people study the history of the time...they look at the history of say pontious pilate and can see that there is no way he would have let the jews decide jesus' fate. no way they would have let his body go, his bones are in the pile with the rest of the traitors executed on golgotha.

this si what historians of the time can tell by studying the era, the records and what the bible says...

see? isn't learning fun!

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#92 Feb 24, 2014
interesting thought..........

What is creative writing?

The academic definition (to be said with a snooty British accent):

“Creative writing is considered to be any writing, fiction or non-fiction that goes outside the bounds of normal professional, journalistic, academic, and technical forms of literature. Works which fall into this category include most novels and epics, as well as many short stories and poems. Writing for the screen and stage, screenwriting and playwriting respectively, typically have their own programs of study, but fit under the creative writing category as well.

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#93 Feb 24, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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Yes, believe it or not, I don’t really have time today to research and read what thousands of history scholars have to say on the matter. Tomorrow, I will try to freeze time and do so, however.
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What are some contemporary historical accounts that wiki left off?
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What are these verifiable accounts? Were they contemporary?
I agree. If wiki provides the readily available link to the data, I use it.

It's not Wiki that's the "authority". The authorities are in the footnotes and references.

The Wiki article is just a summary of authorities.

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#94 Feb 24, 2014
tallyho wrote:
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you want me to believe him.......
challenged Aslan’s claims about his academic credentials (his 2009 PhD is in sociology and was awarded on the basis of a 140-page dissertation on contemporary Muslim political activism) and his academic position (he is an associate professor of creative writing at the University of California at Riverside and does not hold either a doctorate nor a teaching position in the academic study of religion).
repeat........(he is an associate professor of creative writing at the University of California at Riverside and does not hold either a doctorate nor a teaching position in the academic study of religion).
he knows shitloads more than you. he is more of a researcher...he uses the work of thousands of historians...

something you don't seem to understand is possible...

again, your two second google search makes you an expert. is this how you go through life. knowing just enough to make an ass of yourself?

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#95 Feb 24, 2014
tallyho wrote:
<quoted text>you want me to believe him.......

challenged AslanÂ’s claims about his academic credentials (his 2009 PhD is in sociology and was awarded on the basis of a 140-page dissertation on contemporary Muslim political activism) and his academic position (he is an associate professor of creative writing at the University of California at Riverside and does not hold either a doctorate nor a teaching position in the academic study of religion).

repeat........(he is an associate professor of creative writing at the University of California at Riverside and does not hold either a doctorate nor a teaching position in the academic study of religion).
Or a degree in history.

Awww, man! I'm starting to really like ya.

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#96 Feb 24, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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If you knew anything about history, you'd understand that to a serious historian, discussing the origin of the bible is like discussing the origin of 1001 Arabian nights. The origin if the bible has very little to do with who Jesus really was. It has so much fiction in it.
good thing we wren't discussing that, then..

do try to keep up. dear...

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#97 Feb 24, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no,there are not. people study the history of the time...they look at the history of say pontious pilate and can see that there is no way he would have let the jews decide jesus' fate. no way they would have let his body go, his bones are in the pile with the rest of the traitors executed on golgotha.

this si what historians of the time can tell by studying the era, the records and what the bible says...

see? isn't learning fun!
We can speculate and make some guesses based on what life was like back then, of course you are correct about that, but it's hard to really know who he was. That's why there are a lot of disagreement amongst historians and little that they agree about.

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#98 Feb 24, 2014
tallyho wrote:
interesting thought..........
What is creative writing?
The academic definition (to be said with a snooty British accent):
“Creative writing is considered to be any writing, fiction or non-fiction that goes outside the bounds of normal professional, journalistic, academic, and technical forms of literature. Works which fall into this category include most novels and epics, as well as many short stories and poems. Writing for the screen and stage, screenwriting and playwriting respectively, typically have their own programs of study, but fit under the creative writing category as well.
it can also be a way of making factual material more readable.

but then you are the expert on it now as you read the top part of the wiki page on, it.

the fact that you had to even look it up shows how much you REALLY know about it...

keep going through life half-ass educated...

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#99 Feb 24, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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We can speculate and make some guesses based on what life was like back then, of course you are correct about that, but it's hard to really know who he was. That's why there are a lot of disagreement amongst historians and little that they agree about.
we can also use the historical documents we have of the time. but then you know all about that now, don't you?

why are even talking about a subject you have not one clue on?

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#100 Feb 24, 2014
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. If wiki provides the readily available link to the data, I use it.

It's not Wiki that's the "authority". The authorities are in the footnotes and references.

The Wiki article is just a summary of authorities.
I've found it useful and I've used it a lot as a starting point for understanding pretty complex technologies that I work with. I don't have time to read 500 page books on say something like control gain algorithms. I need to get up to speed quick.

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#101 Feb 24, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>good thing we wren't discussing that, then..

do try to keep up. dear...
We weren't? The q theory you have made a huge issue of precisely concerns the origin of two gospels in the bible. The problem with your reliance on this is that the origin of the bible has very little to do with the historical Jesus.

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#102 Feb 24, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>we can also use the historical documents we have of the time. but then you know all about that now, don't you?
I've asked you a few times to name any of them. You have repeatedly failed to do so.
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#103 Feb 24, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>he knows shitloads more than you. he is more of a researcher...he uses the work of thousands of historians...
I do, but you are making us both look dumb. Please stop mentioning my name and my book or you will hear from my attorney.

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#104 Feb 24, 2014
Reza Aslan wrote:
<quoted text>I do, but you are making us both look dumb. Please stop mentioning my name and my book or you will hear from my attorney.
Heh, heh. That was me.

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